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So I have another Question , So me and my gal were in game the night this all happened and keep in  mind None of this stuff has happened before to the extreme that it was happening that night. Do you feel that certain SIM's could cause these issues (Strong Lag) and maybe they needed a restart ? We both were experiencing these issues together so that was the main reason of asking about all this stuff then the gal told me that my complexity was not rendering her in so that'swhy i asked about  the complexity issues as well. 

So im asking do you think the game alone could cause so much lag due to certain sims not being restarted and since we were experiencing those issues at the same time and haven't really had those issues to that extent before ?

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2 hours ago, Lindal Kidd said:

Wow, great discussion about Complexity!  I have a few things to add (so, Lindal, what else is new?)

• Here is a great video by Torley Linden about Complexity: https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrEeBmcuXJcO18AuPoPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=second+life+avatar+complexity&fr=sgm&hspart=SGMedia&hsimp=yhs-sgm_fb#id=1&vid=5ca6263e29fc941d5df511f245ca6525&action=view
• Your own complexity does not affect your performance, but it can affect how others see you, and it can affect THEIR viewer's performance.
• Wow, Lil!  Almost 3 million from a dress!  You're getting up into graphics crasher territory there.
• I try to keep my own complexity below 130,000 or so, but my love of beautiful jewelry and flexi hair makes it hard, especially if I'm dressing up for a formal event.

Yeah that makes plenty of sense. Thank you and Ill check out that video now that you posted . Thanks again !

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On 2/23/2019 at 6:00 AM, Marianne Little said:

The solid colored avatars is because they are too high in complexity to load for your graphics. It is not the avatars computer or graphics - they want to use all the nice stuff on their avatar they have bought, and does not care if others do not see them. It is a bit of superiority I assume - they think it is your problem if you can't see them. It is not you wearing too high complexity if they can see you , and you not see them.

And they are right in a way, they are not responsible for others view of the game, it is a bit selfish, though. Many has the view that avatars should lower their complexity so all can render them, as a community solidarity, but that will never be enforced by Linden Lab. You can go to Preferences > Graphics > Maximum Avatar Complexity and move the slider up to a higher number. This will probably make you lag more. If you move the Maximum Avatar Complexity up and your performance get bad, then you can't do much other things with it than improve your computer, or just tolerate the solid colored avatars.

I will suggest that you let the high number avatars be. Unless they are your friends and you want to render them fully and not the other high number avatars. You can click on your friend and choose "always render fully" and this will make them stay rendered for this session. I think you must do it again when you log off and in again, but it is not so much work.

The small number in the upper right corner of your screen when you change something on your avatar, show your own Maximum Avatar Complexity. If it is under 80 000, you are rendered correctly for most of SL. Some will try to use SL on a really bad computer, and they will always have problems rendering you even if you go really low.

I hope you get at least some idea about question 2 and 3. I think the answer to 1 is how hard it is to render or draw an avatar. The higher number, the more it demands of computers, their memory, graphic card and even connection. Second Life has user-created content, and creators can make really bad or really good content. Easy to render or hard to render. It is not so much to do about it, it is LL that want it this way, let creativity flourish and all that. You can demo things and see how high the numbers go up. Use demos, I have seen a dress make my complexity jump high, but older jewelry and hair can be the worst. At least you can demo hair.

Sorry if I am not making any sense, English isn't my first language and I am tired after a long week. I hope others can explain it better.

So you made this comment "The solid colored avatars is because they are too high in complexity to load for your graphics.". So are you talking about My graphics as in my computers GPU because if so that cant be right because i have a BEAST GPU or are you talking about my Graphics settings in game ? Other than that You all have said some things that have helped me out tremendously and I appreciate it. Thanks for all the input , so helpful

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1 hour ago, LittleMe Jewell said:

That would be some sort of system message and (in theory, at least) would have used "You're" rather than "Your"

 

They did bit I'm just typing from my phone amd in a hurry typing so ... but yeah that's what they said . 

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Very Helpful Info from EVERYONE , Thanks so much , If anyone can tell me how to check my own complexity that would be awesome. Im not sure because of so many comments that how to check my own, I figured out how to set Maximum complexity of others 

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6 hours ago, Sylvannas Zulaman said:

Ctrl+P to open your Preferences window if you're in Windows. On the Graphics tab you'll find a slider to increase or decrease the complexity you want to render/hide. Might have to click "show advanced" in case your graphic options are hidden.

Ok cool Thanks ! So How do I check My own Complexity?

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5 hours ago, LittleMe Jewell said:

Depending on viewer settings, the popups could be IM message windows / bubbles.  And if you were clicking the check boxes for friends, and happened to click the 'can see me online' box a few times for a specific person -- turning it off & on & off & on - the specific person could have taken it wrong.  If they have control over some place that you visit, they might have banned you from it (and told you via an IM) -- and possibly even removed you as a friend. 

If you save your logs for chat and IM, you can go to the folder where they are stored (default in SL viewer is C:\Users\PC-LOGIN-NAME\AppData\Roaming\SecondLife\SL-AVATAR-NAME) and check the logs for around the time period involved.  Any and all IMs will be there, in a file named after the avatar that IMd you.

You can check for people that were friends and no longer are by comparing the Calling Cards to your friends list. There is usually a one for one match, but if you unfriend someone or they unfriend you, then you'll still have the Calling Card, but they won't be on your Friends list.

 

ETA:  Explanation of how someone would know about you clicking those buttons:  If you are clicking the "can see me online" button on and off, then every time you uncheck it, they get a notice in Chat saying "so-and-so is offline" and then when you re-check it, they get a Chat notice saying "so-and-so is online".  

Thank you , That seems more like what had happened, Im so illiterate when in comes to PC's so Ill have to check out how you do what you said above But this sounds accurate of the things I was doing so this could very well be the issue. Thanks for your time and comment Much Much appreciated 

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2 hours ago, Skell Dagger said:

Just to clarify this: they were blue not because of your own complexity, but because of your complexity settings. Your own complexity is definitely something you can keep under control, by wearing optimised content. The reason you saw that person as blue (and they were probably a jerky blue 'blob' - which is nicknamed a 'jellydoll' within the SL community) is because their own complexity was higher than you have your viewer set up to render. You can choose the level at which you render avatars around you. It's not recommended to use the 'unlimited' option, since there are griefers around who will happily use graphics crashers, just for fun.

Ahhh Ok Well How do I set the complexity settings then ? Where do I go to do so ?

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10 hours ago, Sylvannas Zulaman said:

if you're still able to log in you might just been banned from a specific land/parcel. That's not a big deal unless it's the place you rent at (if you do).

Yeah I was kinda messing around with some settings and it popped up. I'm still able to come to my place of Rent so its not that Good thing hahaha, Ill try and figure it out 

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So I was out and about and I noticed that lately that a lot of things weren't loading in fast as usual and I seen this person and they were Blue and Super Laggy and i asked then about it and they said it was my complexity . So heres my Questions.???

1) What exactly is complexity ?

2) How does this effect my character and my game play ?

3) How do I fix it and where in game do i see what my complexity levels are or the location of my complexity ? 

 Ive seen alot of people with Their names above them and sometimes it says their complexity and its like 300,000+ or - . I'm  just new to the game ,  like 2 and a half weeks new and trying to figure out everything i can about his game because its got me hook already.

 Again thanks for any advice and its very much appreciated.

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24 minutes ago, Syn Anatine said:

Make a screenshot of what the client says when you try to log in and post it here. I doubt it merely says "Your banned indefinitely." Since LL is known for better grammar than that.

Well its not that When i log in that it says that. I was looking thru something , Now i cant remember what But it was something that had to do with Clicking check marks on boxes that says Let friends see you on the map and Find friends and stuff and when i clicked on something that had to do with Show Display name or show account name that's when that little box on the top right of the screen popped up in a little black box and said you been banned Indefinitely and I had to click OK on it to go away . So IDk . 

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So Im new to SL roughly a little over 2 weeks and I was kinda messing around with things in game trying to figure out what does what with settings on Friends list. So while i was doing so a POP up pops up and says "Your now banned Indefinitely". I literally have No idea what i  pushed for this  to happen and wanted to  reach out to others that have been around a while and ask , does anyone know what would cause that to happen and what was it that  I may have pushed for that to pop up and and say "Your banned Indefinitely"  from and for ? Any advice would be much appreciated Thanks !

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Hey Yall, So just a little back ground of my Avatar , I have (BELLEZA Jake) Body and a and BENTO Daniel head. That being said My Belleza Jake Body it came with Hands and feet and I can control what my hands do thru the HUD under SHAPE. That being said My hands for some reason keep looking like Star Fish and people keep noticing them and keeps saying something about them . Well Last night i had a female notice the hands and she sent me a link for (AnimAlive BH animator BENTO hands) and i turn them on and they worked for like 2 minutes and now its not working and my hands keep looking like starfish and in my eyes they dont look like starfish . Does anyone know of any solution with what i've told you i have as Body and hands and what not, to help me from getting these star fish hands that everyone can see and makes me look like a super Noob???   ANY Advice will do , Thanks in advance ! 

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5 hours ago, Kotelle said:

Maitreya body has Glam Affair Tones on the hud already so to save time and money your girl can try to demo Glam Affair head appliers for Catwa. Then you don’t need to hunt for both body and head applier. I believe it is just easier start if it happens you find one you like. 

The only thing I noticed is that Glam Affair updated the appliers some time ago, so the tones which match the body, have names like Europa, Asia, America etc, not numbers. 

OK cool Thanks!!!!

 

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5 hours ago, Orwar said:

   The vast majority of skin creators today make skins with Catwa and Maitreya appliers, as those are the most popular brands out there, so finding a skin shouldn't be too difficult. However, many skin shops have a specific system to it wherein the body applier is bought separately and then works with all head skins of the same tone - some even have different body appliers for curvy/athletic/ripped and with/without 'bits' (not sure if it'll be censored... Nipples?). Some also include options for body hair (otherwise body hair tends to come as a tattoo layer by most creators - and so you can't have body hair and a tattoo simultaneously in most cases, unless you either get an applier that has BOTH the body hair and the tattoos in a single texture, or if you somehow get something to work with a dual layer body; though personally I never got the alpha blend/masking deal to work out for me).

   In such stores, you have a very wide variety of options for both facial and body appearance. I outfitted my alt with skins from TheSkinnery, which worked perfectly and has a huge amount of options to them.

   Finally, one note about matching the colours - make sure that the skin layer is not tinted in the body/head HUD. Both Catwa and Maitreya allow the skins to be tinted, and except for very fine detail (with very low saturation in the shades, and using the exact same shade in both HUDs, which can be done by copying the colour codes) skin tinting can both make the colours no longer match and, well, cause it to look as if she's been using spray tan, or is related to the current president of the United States. 

   As always though, demo everything and make sure that you're happy before making your final purchase.  

Thank you so much! super cool of you to take tim eoutta your day to respond with much helpful advice. Thanks again 

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6 hours ago, MrsSeren said:

Personally Seren uses Lumae skin because what I love is you get head, body applier, shapes all in one so you dont have to hunt around for a match!    I am sure others will chime in with their opinions but once your girl is fully set up, all I ask for is lovely picture of you both all dressed up and looking lovely as your such a sweetheart to do this for her!

 

Thank you!  You know whats crazy is the fact that we dont even really know one another IRL. We started off playing GTARP (Grand Theft Auto RolePlay ) and both of us are streamers and turned out we played in the same server together and We both were in Two separate Biker MC;s She is the VP in her crew and im the President in my MC and we ended up hooking up behind the crews Backs like a Romeo and Juliet story and then we started chatting OOC and she introduced me to this game and we immediately hit it off and we connected as partners on here and made one another a couple on here as well. Shes been playing here for over 7 years and she just recently got me hooked in this Virtual world and we just talk everyday and take photos and shop and do what couples do and its fun , But yes I will most definitely take photos , I just dunno where i would post them for people to see.  But thank you again for your advice it means alot and we will look inot it and get her sorted out.

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Hey Ya'l So I posted the other day about some things and I got an enormous amount of Super Helpful advice and very grateful for all of the advice , Thank you so much.! 
Now i'm Back and i have a Question for you all and Hoping to get a response. 

So My girl and I bought a female avatar and She is wanting to know What Skin appliers or Skin tone is good for this Match up and also wondering where we can get the skin appliers.|
 So she has a (CATWA-KATYA) Bento head and a (MAITREYA-LARA) Body. It looks amazing But we are looking now to get some skin tone to the head and the body and looking for a good match for the two together. 

ANY advice would be super appreciated , Thanks ahead of time and hope to hear from some of you and what you use and where you got the product. Thanks again ! Happy SL living!

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19 hours ago, Marianne Little said:

+1. She must get all the demos of course, and then decide for herself. But go to an event like Collabor 88 or Fameshed, and look at the vendors. 99,99% has a Maitreya version, and then some others. Some have 4-5 other bodies, some has one option for every body made. Others are Maitreya only.

Belleza look nice, and I know some prefer it bc of breast shapes. It's up to her. Some use Slink or Slink hourglass. There are several others like Tonic.

But she might want to buy a dress, and then it's made for Maitreya, but not her body if she buy another brand. If she wants piercings, then it's really hard to find rigged piercings and fun parts for other bodies than Maitreya. Maitreya is the safe buy for the consumer who does not want to search for stuff, just walk into an event and shop.

 

much much thanks for th advice . Super cool of you all to take time outta your day to help out. Thanks again ! 

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3 hours ago, Resi Pfeffer said:

I use the Mia and Barbara heads from GA.EG and im quite pleased with the way it fits to the maitreya body/skins.
Of course the neck seam isnt perfect at all (also depending on your graphic settings and daytime) , but it easy to hide/mask it with a variety of chokers, necklaces, hairstyles.
 

I got the one and only they offer for maitreya, and have to say there are better ones out there.
And if i remember correctly, not even with the GA.EG skin applier for maitreya body the neck seam was really seamless.
That leads me back to my previous advice to "hide" it.

Yeah also i noticed with my Bento daniel head and the Jake belleza Body that the neck seam isn't the best but in other lights you cant see it at all so . I totally get what your saying  and well definitely check it out . Thanks for the advice 

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5 hours ago, Marianne Little said:

I can not write what "fun parts" are, but there is search terms on the Marketplace, and you must have adult content turned on.

It is under "Avatar Accessories -> Female genitalia". I have no idea if she want some of that, or if you two want some of that, but it is options that is expensive, some cost over 1000 L.

Some of them list that they are developed for all possible versions of bodies:

> TMP
> S Hourglass
> S Physique
> M Lara
> B Freya
> B Isis
> B Venus
> E Curvy
> T Fine

And some of them list:

Highly customizable *Maitreya Only*

Or : "The ... was designed and rigged for the Maitreya mesh avatar. This product most likely won't work on other avatars, but you can always try the Demo. As of June 2018 there is now a Slink version too (see Related Items)."

And also reviews like: " Purchased full product inworld. reviewing here. Fits perfectly (Maitreya), omega appliers work great.. no seams. Thank you! " and "I really like this, i just wish it came in the freya size as well. " for the same product.

So research is great before you start to shop. The Marketplace is also good to go and use search word like "Isis" if she want that and see what she get in return.

GA. EG does not have Belleza body appliers, but they have Omega, so that should work on Belleza bodies too.

 

Yeah the Money aspect doesn't mean anything . What my baby wants my baby gets so as far as how much Lindens i have to spend that's all good. So thank you and yeah ,well check these out. You have been a super help so thank you very much for your time and effort on helping us out 

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6 hours ago, janetosilio said:

If she likes Belleza Isis, why not go with that? It's relatively Maitreya sized and it's pretty well supported. Some creators only make Freya size, which can be a bummer, but it's a nice body. Get the lady what she wants!

Yeah for sure , I just know she likes the Jennifer 2.0 head so I wanted to make sure that that body goes with it . See I did a lot of research on my head and body and it turned out really well and if I'm going to spend money on her avatar as well then i want her to be happy with what She's getting. 

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5 hours ago, Orwar said:

   Not sure which brand the Jennifer head is, but I'd suggest Maitreya as well due to its wide support for clothing. I suggest she gets a demo of the head and the body and try them on together to see whether they'll fit, and find a skin that works for both parts before making any purchases. 

OK Thanks for the reply and advice ! Much Much appreciated. Yeah the Bento Jennifer 2.0 head is from the GA.EG store 

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6 hours ago, Talligurl said:

My recommendation is Maitreya, though I have no experience with any other,  but there is an amazing  variety of clothes shoes   ect ect available for Maitreya

Thanks for youre reply, Yeah She was looking at the Belleza Isis body But ive personally never heard of the Maitreya body , Where would you go to get this and check the demo out at? Also thanks for your reply 

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1 hour ago, Claireschen Hesten said:

Maitreya has the most content support but I'd suggest having here go round some popular events like collabor88, Uber, Fameshed etc The most common bodys you'll find rigs for are Maitreya, Slink Hourglass and Belleza either Freya or Isis can't remember which. Less common are Belleza Venus, Slink Physique, TMP & eBody If you use other bodies you may not find anything with a rig included, this may have an effect on which body you buy. Your problem after that is finding appliers that work for both your chosen head and body

Thank you! Yeah she was looking at the Belleza Isis Body last night But thats why i wanted to know others opinions , Because thats where i got my body and head from as a male Avatar . So just trying to figure out everything and get as much knowledge as possible from others experience ya know? Thanks again!

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Hello , So my girlfriend and I are looking into buying her a New avatar , She is wanting to go with the BENTO Jennifer 2.0 head. Where would you recommend getting the body from? I bought my Belleza Jake Body with a Bento Daniel Head so I didn't know if that's what she should do as well. If she is wanting to roll with the BENTO Jennifer 2.0 Where should we get a Body From. 

Thanks Again Everyone for all the help!