Kiera Clutterbuck
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1 minute ago, Arielle Popstar said:5 minutes ago, Kiera Clutterbuck said:Expand
I wonder if those who are more competitive in nature are jealous of the US because it has been more of the focus and appeared to be "winning" in terms of wealth and influence. Do they actually look forward to its destruction?
I certainly don't feel welcomed by these people and their constant put downs of the US, and lack of sympathy regarding the horrors accelerating here.
Maybe because what you consider to be the accelerating horrors, are everyday occurrences leading some to wonder what US residents are complaining about, especially as a majority of the horrors are just projected in worst case scenarios.
I suggest reading more History, and writings by scholars who study such matters. Watching Fox "News" or only paying attention to your personal experience in Canada won't bring the beneficial awareness needed to evaluate matters clearly.
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4 minutes ago, Sparkle Bunny said:32 minutes ago, Kiera Clutterbuck said:
* Or are the ones on the other thread not seeming to understand US issues simply more vocal about it, and tending toward conservatism(c).
From the way those specific posters have behaved on other threads, I really don't think the problem is lack of understanding what's going on in the US. They understand just fine, and they're cool with it. The rest of us have gone quiet because there's no point trying to reason with them and the option of punching them is not available.
I wonder if those who are more competitive in nature are jealous of the US because it has been more of the focus and appeared to be "winning" in terms of wealth and influence. Do they actually look forward to its destruction?
I certainly don't feel welcomed by these people and their constant put downs of the US, and lack of sympathy regarding the horrors accelerating here.
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29 minutes ago, Sparkle Bunny said:
Do English-speaking citizens of the rest of the world know enough about US culture and politics to be able to follow and participate in discussions about them? Generally, yes. Do US citizens know enough about the culture and politics of the rest of the world to be able to follow and participate in discussions about them? Generally, no. Hence the bias the OP is seeing.
I too used to get frustrated about the failure of most Americans to grasp there was a world beyond their borders -- I used to have the same frustration with Londoners, for the record -- but there are good reasons for it (education and mainstream media, mostly) and complaining doesn't change anything, so these days I just let it be what it is.
I have no data to back up my opinion, but like you I feel that the US is less aware of countries outside its borders in general. But why is this so? Why do people in other countries like American movies so much, and tend to emulate American music? What made America a kind of default country one should look toward, pay most attention to?
Me, personally, I have my foreign movie channels that annoys a few friends because they don't like to read their movies
If we take evidence from this forum only though, it seems it's mostly those from other countries who do not understand the horrific political climate in the US of late, as evidenced in the thread about white supremacist content being sold in SL. So I feel it is us in America who are mainly misunderstood, at least on this forum.
* Or are the ones on the other thread not seeming to understand US issues simply more vocal about it, and tending toward conservatism(c). Little c. While most of you from other countries who know what's going in the US are standing back in silence?
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7 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:
I can't wait .. the silence / denial / feigning ignorance will be deafening.
Whenever I'm super super duper mad at someone sometimes my middle finger needs to extend and stretch. That's prolly kinda like what happened here:
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/09/18/ok-sign-white-power-symbol-or-just-right-wing-troll
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5 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:10 minutes ago, Kiera Clutterbuck said:
The reason for a "call out" has to be taken into consideration. Not all "call outs" are against the rules.
Can you point out the relevant rules on the ambiguity of "call outs", or is it left to the discretion of those in control of thread closures?
I believe this is LL's call, once they have all the information.
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19 minutes ago, Vanessa Amethyst said:
because being honest all I saw in that thread was a Call out that is against the rules of this forum
The reason for a "call out" has to be taken into consideration. Not all "call outs" are against the rules.
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6 hours ago, Jules Catlyn said:
Whether it be subjects like LGBTQ+ rights, abortion laws, the way different social groups treat each other, these all differ a lot around the globe.
I understand that Americans can be very vocal about their opinions, but i also see them turn a blind eye on how things work in the rest of the world.
I am always interested in how other countries view such matters and would welcome your perspectives.
Do you think the intensity of what's happening in the US might be affecting your perspective of feeling dominated by the US? It is intense, and many are disturbed over recent developments that could be catastrophic for human rights! This could cause much suffering in the future (already are, actually), and people are upset.
I can imagine your experience in another country where LGBTQ+ rights, abortion laws, and racial issues, might pale in comparison as you aren't being threatened! I'm always happy to learn about the differences though, if only you'd speak.
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1 minute ago, Vanessa Amethyst said:7 minutes ago, Kiera Clutterbuck said:
I'm not sure these two realms can be separated so easily. For example, we have a discussion going on atm about racist, paramilitary clothes and paraphernalia for sale in SL, an attempt is being made to determine if this is acceptable. We have to know something about real life occurrences to judge the matter accurately.
shure they can these things only bother you if you let them, while on the grid let go of the real world for a while and RELAX
This brings up the question whether SL is only a game, a kind of escape from real life, or whether it's an extension of real life (more of a platform as opposed to only roleplay).
It's both, depending on the person. But you are saying only your preference is the correct one and that I should "relax" into your preference.
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10 minutes ago, Vanessa Amethyst said:
How about we keep talk on the SL forums about SL stuff. Political arguments are circular and will never be resolved. and the ones that are the most loud mouthed about it on both sides of the fence are a bunch of extremist Totalitarian oiks
I'm not sure these two realms can be separated so easily. For example, we have a discussion going on atm about racist, paramilitary clothes and paraphernalia for sale in SL, an attempt is being made to determine if this is acceptable. We have to know something about real life occurrences to judge the matter accurately.
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1 minute ago, Orwar said:12 minutes ago, Kiera Clutterbuck said:
I feel you are blaming those in the US for your own lack of initiative.
When there are issues in my country, I place my initiative in the real world rather than try to start a discussion on the awful state of the healthcare system in Sweden (which still beats the US healthcare system by a magnitude, though). I make my opinion heard where it matters and place my democratic vote on the people I believe least incompetent in dealing with the most pressing issues at the time.
It's not as if US abortion or LGBTQ+ issues being discussed on the SL forums will make any real difference, any more than me talking about how those darned socialists have caused an energy crisis through their irresponsibly idealistic environmental politics over here would.
It sounds like you have a different issue from the OP, who would like to discuss matters related to her own country.
As a separate issue though your point is interesting, a question about whether it does any good whatsoever discussing real life matters on the forum.
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4 minutes ago, Jules Catlyn said:6 minutes ago, Kiera Clutterbuck said:
Can you provide an example of your efforts?
Am i being put on trial now?:)
I don't feel the need at all to do that. I don't have to justify my opinion. If you are a member of this forum, there are plenty of examples that support my claim.
If you make an egregious accusation against others some proof or examples of said infraction would be helpful. How else are we to debate the matter?
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Just now, Jules Catlyn said:
It is not a matter of blaming. I participate in discussions and try to bring in different view points. I do this less lately because the American narrative will be pushed with such force that it is almost impossible to bring other views to the table.
Can you provide an example of your efforts?
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5 hours ago, Jules Catlyn said:
I am aware that Linden Lab is an American company and that a rather large part of the user base is American. However, users of Second Life come from all over the world and the world is a very diverse place. This is what i often do not see reflected in discussions about real life topics on this forum.
Often what is happening in the USA is presented as almost being the current state of affairs in the world. In a lot of instances this is not the case.
Whether it be subjects like LGBTQ+ rights, abortion laws, the way different social groups treat each other, these all differ a lot around the globe.
I understand that Americans can be very vocal about their opinions, but i also see them turn a blind eye on how things work in the rest of the world.
Maybe this is because events in the rest of the world are not really covered in their media or the rest of the world is not really addressed in education. I do not know the reason.
I just see a lot of discussions on these forums drown in American "facts" and the rest of the world's view is left out.
I love to learn and discuss topics from all parts of the world. I have friends outside the US, and can trace my ancestry to various countries I have researched extensively, and so feel an affinity with other countries outside my own place of residence.
If you want to discuss subjects from your country why don't you initiate them? I feel you are blaming those in the US for your own lack of initiative.
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These are not just paramilitary groups. These groups are white supremacists who want to dominate, and in some cases eliminate, people of color in the US. They are growing in number, and increasingly taking power at all levels of government.
I worry they will harm a lot of people, and not only in the US. We have the most military power here and there is a danger to all my friends in other countries too.
It would be impossible to remove their symbols from public view in early stages when most don't understand the gravity of the situation yet. Unfortunately only when much harm is done would that be possible.
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1 minute ago, Ceka Cianci said:
I always thought the B-Boys was a music group
I should never have used that, but I forgot how to spell Boogaloo for sure and was too lazy to look it up. LOL
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2 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:8 minutes ago, Kiera Clutterbuck said:
You don't understand what is growing within the US, how close we are to becoming an autocracy where our rights will be stripped.
Actually I do because unfortunately Canada is getting infected with the corporate media you have down there which is geared to creating a liberal autocracy.
I think I'll trust the opinion of @Scylla Rhiadra on this, another Canadian, who actually knows how to research.
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Just now, Arielle Popstar said:3 minutes ago, Kiera Clutterbuck said:
Arielle, these churches are all over the Bible Belt:
Then don't attend them and don't promote their message. This is really quite easy so I don't understand why you don't get that.
You don't understand what is growing within the US, how close we are to becoming an autocracy where our rights will be stripped.
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6 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:
Methinks this is disguising absurdity for delusional paranoia.
Arielle, these churches are all over the Bible Belt:
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8 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:
You're jealous that they may start it before you do? In any event, those are issues outside of Secondlife. Some Hawaiian shirts for sale are not likely a membership drive for the B Boys.
A Civil War would be disastrous, so no way would I want to start it.
We are simply discussing, or were before you came in and confused everything, what types of hate symbols should be allowed in SL.
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Southern Poverty Law Center does a good job of keeping track of the far-right hate groups. There's a lot of them!
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/groups
If I remember right the Boogaloo Boys split off from Patriot Front
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7 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:10 minutes ago, Kiera Clutterbuck said:
Most of them are anti-government and on the far-right. The worst thing one can do is not be aware of them.
Oh so all the causes you are active on are pro government? 😉
I am unhappy with the government because it's too beholden to moneyed interests. That's very different from believing I should take a semiautomatic weapon and seize power, turning the US into an autocratic country governed by whoever has the strength to take power. It's anti-government to an extreme.
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6 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:
Interesting isn't it that under no other circumstance are we allowed to call out any particular creator for any questionable business dealings and yet when someone gets it in their head that a particular piece of clothing reminds them of something political, sharpened knives come out, mods disappear and the community has at it.
Double standards.
false equivalency
Competing stores trying to trash each other isn't the same as a paramilitary group with a recognizable uniform that has murdered people, are white supremacists, participated in an insurrection that tried to take over the US government on Jan 6, and wants to start another Civil War.
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7 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:12 minutes ago, Kiera Clutterbuck said:
Do you believe these far-right militia groups exist, and not just the B Boys?
Probably do though I usually hear far more about far left militia groups. You are remarkably quiet about them. The worse thing one can do is draw attention to them for whatever side they are on.
Most of them are anti-government and on the far-right. The worst thing one can do is not be aware of them.
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I certainly don't feel welcomed by these people and their constant put downs of the US, and lack of sympathy regarding the horrors accelerating here.
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The USA is not necessarily a reflection of the world
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Even Republicans, the ones who didn't join the cult, are terrified by what's unfolding.