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Kiera Clutterbuck

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  1. Well yes, we had to actually demonstrate human rights in our own countries before advocating this approach to those countries still oppressing others. You've consistently labeled those who want respect for all as imperialists and the like, so are you saying we should let all these oppressed people in other countries suffer? Currently there are many programs assisting other countries in advancing human rights. For example, schools for girls where girls are denied education comes to mind.
  2. Some are enforced now. But they never would have been had we not changed hearts and minds, raised consciousness via education and sorting out all those "concepts" you don't like.
  3. Have you not seen the improvement in the lives of gays and women in some countries due to viewing them as humans who should have the same rights as all other humans? People of color too. And disabled people, we used to shove them into institutions or leave them on the street to rot in poverty.
  4. You keep avoiding saying which of the Universal Rights in that declaration you disagree with.
  5. oh yes the united nations will write a weakly worded memo, oh but no it wont because various countries will veto it due to oil interests or something. Big deal Have you not seen the improvement in the lives of gays and women in some countries due to viewing them as humans who should have the same rights as all other humans? People of color too.
  6. Never said it was perfect, but we have to start somewhere. At least some people have some rights, and we have a basis to encourage people not to throw others off buildings.
  7. You didn't say, which part of the Universal Declaration of Human rights do you disagree with?
  8. Who gives an eff about that? It's what humans are doing NOW that counts.
  9. Human rights are an attempt to make the world a better place. So many more have freedom, or are gaining freedoms, that did not exist before. Think of gay rights, or women's rights, or minority rights. I'm glad people are paying attention to respect for all and trying to bring about a fairer world, no matter how imperfect or daunting the effort may seem at this time. 1. We Are All Born Free & Equal. We are all born free. We all have our own thoughts and ideas. We should all be treated in the same way. 2. Don’t Discriminate. These rights belong to everybody, whatever our differences. 3. The Right to Life. We all have the right to life, and to live in freedom and safety. 4. No Slavery. Nobody has any right to make us a slave. We cannot make anyone our slave. 5. No Torture. Nobody has any right to hurt us or to torture us. 6. You Have Rights No Matter Where You Go. I am a person just like you! 7. We’re All Equal Before the Law. The law is the same for everyone. It must treat us all fairly. 8. Your Human Rights Are Protected by Law. We can all ask for the law to help us when we are not treated fairly. 9. No Unfair Detainment. Nobody has the right to put us in prison without good reason and keep us there, or to send us away from our country. 10. The Right to Trial. If we are put on trial this should be in public. The people who try us should not let anyone tell them what to do. 11. We’re Always Innocent Till Proven Guilty. Nobody should be blamed for doing something until it is proven. When people say we did a bad thing we have the right to show it is not true. 12. The Right to Privacy. Nobody should try to harm our good name. Nobody has the right to come into our home, open our letters, or bother us or our family without a good reason. 13. Freedom to Move. We all have the right to go where we want in our own country and to travel as we wish. 14. The Right to Seek a Safe Place to Live. If we are frightened of being badly treated in our own country, we all have the right to run away to another country to be safe. 15. Right to a Nationality. We all have the right to belong to a country.
  10. Let's say I was captured by some nasty government and imprisoned because I was a feisty woman and gay to boot, and their intent was to "beat the gay" out of me or "show me I am subservient to men". They may imprison me, they may beat me, but I would still experience myself as gay and believe I was a free woman not subservient to others (I would still have those human rights no matter what others would do to me). I'm not sure where you get the idea that a right is only a right if someone can force the issue. If another is trying to take a right away it only means they are misguided and not respectful of human rights.
  11. I don't think you know enough about me to say I subscribe to only Western values with my Western imperialist mindset, and approve of the ten commandments. Is there something you disagree with regarding the United Nations Universal Declaration Of Human Rights? United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights Simplified Version This simplified version of the 30 Articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights has been created especially for young people. 1. We Are All Born Free & Equal. We are all born free. We all have our own thoughts and ideas. We should all be treated in the same way. 2. Don’t Discriminate. These rights belong to everybody, whatever our differences. 3. The Right to Life. We all have the right to life, and to live in freedom and safety. 4. No Slavery. Nobody has any right to make us a slave. We cannot make anyone our slave. 5. No Torture. Nobody has any right to hurt us or to torture us. 6. You Have Rights No Matter Where You Go. I am a person just like you! 7. We’re All Equal Before the Law. The law is the same for everyone. It must treat us all fairly. 8. Your Human Rights Are Protected by Law. We can all ask for the law to help us when we are not treated fairly. 9. No Unfair Detainment. Nobody has the right to put us in prison without good reason and keep us there, or to send us away from our country. 10. The Right to Trial. If we are put on trial this should be in public. The people who try us should not let anyone tell them what to do. 11. We’re Always Innocent Till Proven Guilty. Nobody should be blamed for doing something until it is proven. When people say we did a bad thing we have the right to show it is not true. 12. The Right to Privacy. Nobody should try to harm our good name. Nobody has the right to come into our home, open our letters, or bother us or our family without a good reason. 13. Freedom to Move. We all have the right to go where we want in our own country and to travel as we wish. 14. The Right to Seek a Safe Place to Live. If we are frightened of being badly treated in our own country, we all have the right to run away to another country to be safe. 15. Right to a Nationality. We all have the right to belong to a country.
  12. You cannot NOT base human rights on ethics: "Human rights are moral principles or norms[1] that describe certain standards of human behaviour and are regularly protected as natural and legal rights in municipal and international law.[2] They are commonly understood as inalienable,[3] fundamental rights "to which a person is inherently entitled simply because she or he is a human being"[4] and which are "inherent in all human beings",[5] regardless of their nation, location, language, religion, ethnic origin or any other status." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights The fact that some countries can't accept the fact that, for example, women and gays should have the same rights as everyone else is irrelevant. All you can really say about these countries is that they do not believe in human rights at this time.
  13. Kanray do you believe in the concept of "might makes right", like in evolution? Is that the only ethics that seems plausible to you?
  14. Not at all as different cultures have very different standards of ethics many of which contradict each other. The human race has never managed to create a universally recognised ethics nor will it ever I said that what we call human rights is derived from our ethics (you said I was conflating the 2, and I'm not). I didn't say anything about the fact that different cultures have varying standards regarding what is ethical. I would say, though, that if a particular culture thinks the bigger kid should get all of the orange just because he can, that this culture is wrong. Fairness and justice should prevail whenever possible because it demonstrates that we value all and not just one bully that can turn "might makes right" into their reality.
  15. Let's say you are in kindergarten class, and all the kiddies are sitting in a circle, and hungry. The teacher only has one orange, and puts it in the center of the circle. Is it right for the big kid who had some abnormal growth spurt and was double in size to the rest of the class, to grab the orange and eat it all himself, just because he could? Or is he right to divide it into sections and give everyone a piece?
  16. Yeah, actually we do, LOL; it's called the Covenant. And it specifically states "*Residents may decorate the interior of their house to their liking." Full stop. Of course we have the right to do what we want, and it says so in the covenant. The discussion is about what it means when another person imitates them completely. What would you do if a friend imitated how you dressed, and I mean down to the exact same piece of clothing and hairstyle. What if they showed up for public events you both attended looking just like you when they knew in advance what you planned to wear. My reaction would be a desire to get them to think more for themselves, learn to be their own person more, and not copy others. There is no ruling that can be made about this. I'm only saying I DO understand those who would wish another would not copy them completely. Sharing is great, to a point.
  17. There is a 3rd way, and that is simply the discussion that is now happening. The OP simply said it was just her 2 cents worth, and I don't see her calling for a ruling although it is evident what she believes. Seems she just wanted a discussion about it as we are doing. Can't you believe one way and me another, and allow this? Do we have to have some sort of rule that encodes one side as the one true way? That would not be the "sharing" that you advocate.
  18. Why? Do you decorate to please yourself, or to compete with others? If the former, it shouldn't matter what others are doing. I'd say I decorate to please myself, but that includes the desire to be a bit unique. I think most people want to be somewhat unique in home furnishings or with clothes. Imagine you showed a friend this new outfit you put together and the next day the friend shows up with the exact blouse, skirt, shoes, and even hairstyle. You would not feel like maybe that friend needed to get a little space from you or something, or wonder if they were turning into one of those Borg people on Star Trek with a hivemind type of thing going on? hehe
  19. I'd be weirded out by it, especially if it was next door! I know, I'd feel like maybe I had a stalker! hehe
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