Kiera Clutterbuck

So can mesh be art or is it only a craft?

I may need a couple days or a free weekend to parse this thread. Is it better than Netflix?

Lawrence was pretty good overall. Slight defensiveness in a couple places. But hey, cut him some slack, he's new, and it's not easy to come up against this crowd here eh?

I visited and it's quite an accomplishment. TDD is not the best spokesperson to put it mildly, and he is just a visitor who likes the sims and does not appear to represent Hangars in any way. I do agree with much of what you said, and if I were the creator of Hangars I would request that TDD not speak for Hangars anymore.

Yep my experience was with CGCookie. Had to file a support ticket to cancel auto-renewal.

I might open up a support ticket and cancel renewals on two alts, stating I want to maintain benefits for the coming year despite not renewing. I had to do that with another subscription service once.

When you choose to downgrade the effects take place immediately, so best to downgrade/cancel close to the time you plan to actually downgrade. It's simply not the same as some subscriptions where you can cancel in advance and still retain benefits until the contract you signed up for is over. * I'd like to be able to cancel in advance myself in case I forget in a year. I only hope that if I'm charged another year if I forget to cancel or don't get a warning email that I can dispute the charges.

Does action exist without some sort of thinking or principle beforehand? Why are you separating the two? To trash human rights I guess. You don't seem to get that the notion of human rights has caused great changes in the world already.

Well yes, we had to actually demonstrate human rights in our own countries before advocating this approach to those countries still oppressing others. You've consistently labeled those who want respect for all as imperialists and the like, so are you saying we should let all these oppressed people in other countries suffer? Currently there are many programs assisting other countries in advancing human rights. For example, schools for girls where girls are denied education comes to mind.

Buh-Byee

Some are enforced now. But they never would have been had we not changed hearts and minds, raised consciousness via education and sorting out all those "concepts" you don't like.

Have you not seen the improvement in the lives of gays and women in some countries due to viewing them as humans who should have the same rights as all other humans? People of color too. And disabled people, we used to shove them into institutions or leave them on the street to rot in poverty.

You keep avoiding saying which of the Universal Rights in that declaration you disagree with.

oh yes the united nations will write a weakly worded memo, oh but no it wont because various countries will veto it due to oil interests or something. Big deal Have you not seen the improvement in the lives of gays and women in some countries due to viewing them as humans who should have the same rights as all other humans? People of color too.

It's international.

Never said it was perfect, but we have to start somewhere. At least some people have some rights, and we have a basis to encourage people not to throw others off buildings.

You didn't say, which part of the Universal Declaration of Human rights do you disagree with?

Who gives an eff about that? It's what humans are doing NOW that counts.

Human rights are an attempt to make the world a better place. So many more have freedom, or are gaining freedoms, that did not exist before. Think of gay rights, or women's rights, or minority rights. I'm glad people are paying attention to respect for all and trying to bring about a fairer world, no matter how imperfect or daunting the effort may seem at this time. 1. We Are All Born Free & Equal. We are all born free. We all have our own thoughts and ideas. We should all be treated in the same way. 2. Don’t Discriminate. These rights belong to everybody, whatever our differences. 3. The Right to Life. We all have the right to life, and to live in freedom and safety. 4. No Slavery. Nobody has any right to make us a slave. We cannot make anyone our slave. 5. No Torture. Nobody has any right to hurt us or to torture us. 6. You Have Rights No Matter Where You Go. I am a person just like you! 7. We’re All Equal Before the Law. The law is the same for everyone. It must treat us all fairly. 8. Your Human Rights Are Protected by Law. We can all ask for the law to help us when we are not treated fairly. 9. No Unfair Detainment. Nobody has the right to put us in prison without good reason and keep us there, or to send us away from our country. 10. The Right to Trial. If we are put on trial this should be in public. The people who try us should not let anyone tell them what to do. 11. We’re Always Innocent Till Proven Guilty. Nobody should be blamed for doing something until it is proven. When people say we did a bad thing we have the right to show it is not true. 12. The Right to Privacy. Nobody should try to harm our good name. Nobody has the right to come into our home, open our letters, or bother us or our family without a good reason. 13. Freedom to Move. We all have the right to go where we want in our own country and to travel as we wish. 14. The Right to Seek a Safe Place to Live. If we are frightened of being badly treated in our own country, we all have the right to run away to another country to be safe. 15. Right to a Nationality. We all have the right to belong to a country.

I see tin foil.

Let's say I was captured by some nasty government and imprisoned because I was a feisty woman and gay to boot, and their intent was to "beat the gay" out of me or "show me I am subservient to men". They may imprison me, they may beat me, but I would still experience myself as gay and believe I was a free woman not subservient to others (I would still have those human rights no matter what others would do to me). I'm not sure where you get the idea that a right is only a right if someone can force the issue. If another is trying to take a right away it only means they are misguided and not respectful of human rights.

I was hoping you could help hehe

I don't think you know enough about me to say I subscribe to only Western values with my Western imperialist mindset, and approve of the ten commandments. Is there something you disagree with regarding the United Nations Universal Declaration Of Human Rights? United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights Simplified Version This simplified version of the 30 Articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights has been created especially for young people. 1. We Are All Born Free & Equal. We are all born free. We all have our own thoughts and ideas. We should all be treated in the same way. 2. Don’t Discriminate. These rights belong to everybody, whatever our differences. 3. The Right to Life. We all have the right to life, and to live in freedom and safety. 4. No Slavery. Nobody has any right to make us a slave. We cannot make anyone our slave. 5. No Torture. Nobody has any right to hurt us or to torture us. 6. You Have Rights No Matter Where You Go. I am a person just like you! 7. We’re All Equal Before the Law. The law is the same for everyone. It must treat us all fairly. 8. Your Human Rights Are Protected by Law. We can all ask for the law to help us when we are not treated fairly. 9. No Unfair Detainment. Nobody has the right to put us in prison without good reason and keep us there, or to send us away from our country. 10. The Right to Trial. If we are put on trial this should be in public. The people who try us should not let anyone tell them what to do. 11. We’re Always Innocent Till Proven Guilty. Nobody should be blamed for doing something until it is proven. When people say we did a bad thing we have the right to show it is not true. 12. The Right to Privacy. Nobody should try to harm our good name. Nobody has the right to come into our home, open our letters, or bother us or our family without a good reason. 13. Freedom to Move. We all have the right to go where we want in our own country and to travel as we wish. 14. The Right to Seek a Safe Place to Live. If we are frightened of being badly treated in our own country, we all have the right to run away to another country to be safe. 15. Right to a Nationality. We all have the right to belong to a country.

You cannot NOT base human rights on ethics: "Human rights are moral principles or norms[1] that describe certain standards of human behaviour and are regularly protected as natural and legal rights in municipal and international law.[2] They are commonly understood as inalienable,[3] fundamental rights "to which a person is inherently entitled simply because she or he is a human being"[4] and which are "inherent in all human beings",[5] regardless of their nation, location, language, religion, ethnic origin or any other status." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights The fact that some countries can't accept the fact that, for example, women and gays should have the same rights as everyone else is irrelevant. All you can really say about these countries is that they do not believe in human rights at this time.

Kanray do you believe in the concept of "might makes right", like in evolution? Is that the only ethics that seems plausible to you?