Coffee Pancake
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18 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:
I am not arguing that companies are not under pressure to remove or hide adult content. I'm suggesting that such moves tend to target embarrassingly high profile platforms. I don't think SL qualifies.
If it can happen to huge brand platforms that will qualify for meetings ahead of time, we're a wave of a hand away from oblivion.
My point isn't they will object to our antics and rain fire, they might not even notice and just keep pushing the usual 'no smut' policies. oops. Killed a weird game. *shrug*
1 minute ago, diamond Marchant said:The Tilia acquisition is part one of an exit strategy.
The 5 year post sale partnership has a Sword of Damocles aspect, what happens then.
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47 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:
Again, in general, profit-making corporations only get into the business of imposing "moral standards" or whatever you want to call it when they perceive that not doing so will hurt their bottom line.
Did you miss what happened to onlyfans.
How about this ACLU petition to mastercard over sex work? https://action.aclu.org/petition/mastercard-sex-work-work-end-your-unjust-policy
I'm not being alarmist here. This is not some imagined fantasy disaster, this keeps actually happening and is something I had hoped of all here, you would be a little more informed about.
47 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:"It will be business as usual for our people and our customers as we bring Tilia and Thunes together.”
This message is not for us.
Our people is employees of Tilia and Linden Lab. Our customers is Tilia's corporate customers. So VRChat, Upland, Avatus, Kidari Studio, LEVVE⅃S, Astra and the rest.
We are not included, customers .. residents .. players of this game, Second Life.
47 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:I just don't believe that LL walked into this blindly, without being sure that the sale would not scupper their only remaining revenue and profit source.
Linden Lab walked into this on purpose. Intent-fully. The sale is their profit .. or cutting their losses having failed to make Tilia into more than simply the company that processes our funds.
We're not all that. We're not even at the table. We're the albatross.
Welcome to sex Wendys, may I take your order?
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6 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:
this is being couched as a partnership
This is not a partnership. This is an acquisition.
Any partnership post sale will exist between Linden Lab and Thunes to provide a payment processing for us to buy & sell L$ for 5 years (we have no details at this time, the devil as always will be in the fine print).
13 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:LL itself sounds upbeat about all of this.
LL have made a single line statement and made it clear (to Inara) they do not intend to add to the information that's been published on various news sites, and will not have further details for us till May 20th. It's hard to draw any conclusion at this point, least of concerning corporate mood.
17 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:the company is more inclined to go silent when bad stuff is happening
We have had the same 29 words posted here and on reddit with promise of more details in a little under a month's time. Concerning the single biggest platform change since LL itself was acquired, perhaps the single biggest shift in platform offering in SL's entire history that will impact everyone and everything we do.
This is not how good news is delivered.39 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:SL is flying so far beneath everyone's radar
Making it far easier for far flung corporate morality decisions to upend everything we do, as has been done to several other (far more valuable) internet properties over the years, and is currently getting our community booted from flickr.
41 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:ON THE OTHER HAND, this DOES offer a fantastic opportunity for us all to once again wring our hands in despair
This is not some small policy change or drama. This is a fundamental part of the platform offering now under the complete and permanent control of an independent 3rd party (regulatory approval pending). They bought the asset they wanted. We are not that asset. Nothing we do is that asset. Nor is our existing business the reason they bought that asset.
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3 minutes ago, Vanity Fair said:
What really hurts is the exchange rate when converting from many countries’ currencies to and from U.S. dollars. The Canadian dollar, in particular.
That isn't going to change though, there will likely be more intermediate options (L$ to some crypto or doordash wallet), but if you want L$ to cashy money .. that exchange fee has to be paid at some point.
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"mainstreamness" has been the dream for this mess for two decades.
The adult content rules and purge and zindra migration of 2009 was driven by that desire, there are new articles still online about how cleaning up SL was good for business.
Flickr is doing it's own purge at the moment, and our communities are right in the firing line.
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1 minute ago, Love Zhaoying said:
They would make less money, if we were "dead". What possible motivation would they have for that?
Tumblr went from a $1.1 billion purchase to $3 million junk.
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If the payment processor says no smut. We're dead. This is not a reach. This has happened several times now, we have been immune as we owned the payment processor, now we don't.
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Tumblr didn't wake up one day and decide it no longer needed feet. That change was imposed.
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1 minute ago, Love Zhaoying said:
Ah, so you're mad about the possibility of losing Adult Content? Got it!
OR ANYTHING ELSE WE DO
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Nobody asked for a Tilia.
Or the fee increases needed to fund it.
Or the massive controlling stake it has in the direction of the platform, now from even further away.
Thune could easily block adult content in their terms and conditions, or anything else we do, and we have to obey.
Thune could be forced into this trying to build legitimacy of their business making deals with banks and credit providers.
This is how we do a Tumblr.
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2 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:
Yes! Selling Tilia will give LL more $$ to spend on the projects everyone complains out. It's a win-win. (I honestly believe that Tilia will fail under new management, so LL makes $$$ from the sale, and we all benefit indirectly.)
I think what a lot of people miss is, LL wouldn't sell Tilia if it didn't benefit them to do so, and by extension benefit us.
Only ... That's not how any of this works.
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6 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:
The sky is falling!
!!FIRST!!
I'm glad you're having fun.
We all deal with things in different ways, and I guess being the top poster already here mean's you're quietly freaking out too. Don't worry, there will always be other forums whatever happens here.
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This feels like a massive betrayal.
Did the sale include battery street .. are we actually homeless now?
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Well.
We all saw this coming.
Now LL gets to go down with the debt.
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For every rule you will get two jerks.
One who stands as close to the rule as possible.
One who tries to wield the rule with the broadest possible interpretation as a weapon.
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1 hour ago, Love Zhaoying said:
The King of Trash has an interesting opinion, on (the current) topic:
No he really doesn't. His worthless option boils down to 'What he likes is fine, what he doesn't like should be punished and removed from society'.
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3 hours ago, Paul Hexem said:
Would be nice if we had real stats. My guess is it's low single digits.
Even if it were as high as 20%, that's still not a significant enough portion to risk legal consequences.
Who do you imagine makes all, as in literally almost all, the G rated content and activities in SL. It's child avatars, those with child avatar alts, or family members with child avatars. Didn't you ever notice so many mole's (and Linden's) have child or child like avatars.
Child avatars are disproportionately prevalent amongst the creator community.
They are rare to see as SL's majority sex focused population can't imagine anyone doing anything else in SL and tend to freak out.
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There i a VR client kicking about that I have had working with the Quest3. It's awful, and it's VR, and it will make you wanna puke.
Quest3 > Steam Link > Desktop > SL in a 2D floating window while you play other VR titles is totally a thing.
(Nvidia only) If you have a second GPU and launch SL by R. click on on the shortcut picking the second, then your main VR game will run on your main GPU and SL wont slow it down.
Quest3 > SideQuest > Android Steam Link .. also a thing and not the same as the Quest app store steam link.
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1 hour ago, Ingrid Ingersoll said:
I was refering to this. (below). I'm glad they're going to try something new, hopefully people will be able to speak more freely there. But I have my doubts.
I'm not sure how a "community round table" can function with a community as large and diverse as Second Life's.
Betting that no more than 1% of the entire active userbase will even know it's happening and only a tiny fraction of that will ever attend. We've had specific subject user groups for years and they have been broadly one sided and poorly attended.
I've been asked to raise things at the TPV developer 'round table' and when I point out that they can come and raise it themselves, in fact, it would be better and might go further if they did, they back out. Everytime.-
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22 minutes ago, Prokofy Neva said:
BUT it's not clear to me IF 2048 will become the ONLY type of texture and "mandatory" (with a hardstop when you atttempt to upload? or how?) or whether there will still be the range of 512 and 1024, with the same old prices for those sizes, i.e. free for PP.
I'm just not getting why they would make 2048 mandatory, when it won't load for many people.
It wont be mandatory, that was a poor choice of words on my part that got picked up by the resident pedants.
2048 textures will become the de-facto norm as no creator given the option will elect to create lower "perceived quality" items.
2K is "mandatory" because bigger numbers more better
Mesh is "mandatory" because no will buy things made from prim.
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33 minutes ago, Cinnamon Mistwood said:
I was hoping this discussion could be about some of the other topics, but the AP topic keeps taking over.
because this affects the shape of our community and all systems and rules pertaining to social outcomes can and will be abused effectively
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24 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:
Although, some adults do wear braces.and usually invisible.ones
They aren't uncommon in young adults here, visible ones are the norm because cheaper.
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11 hours ago, Theresa Tennyson said:
If it's "adult-RATED" it shouldn't be on M-RATED regions at all. I'm making the RATED bold and in red because it's apparently very hard for some people to see.
This misconception that M i somehow neatly between G and A tanks all attempts to define boundaries that users can follow.
Please take some time to read the definitions. We went though all this during the 2007 panic.
- G rated is too restrictive for Disney. Following the rules as written, a good F bomb comes with a ban (and LL used to enforce this!).
- M is everything up to and including strip clubs, burlesque clubs, latex pony play, homes full of sex furniture, bondage devices, cats and dogs living together .. all so long as it's behind closed doors and not publicly promoted.
- A adds the ability to sell sex (and other intensely graphic stuff) and to advertise and publicly promote it.
A rated doesn't mean ADULT. A means PUBLICLY PROMOTED ADULT.
G rated is safe for the tele-tubbies.
M rated is safe to watch and act out scenes from the human centipede in your own home.
A lets you publicly invite people over to spectate and charge an admission.
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25 minutes ago, Feorie Frimon said:
100 % this.
I don't think people realize what a dangerous area this is - especially with age and identity verification. Doxxing is a real thing.
It's only ever a matter of time before every companies database ends up for sale some place. All it takes is one small slip, one change in policy or procedure, one change in some bit of software so generic no one is checking it twice, and bam .. game over.
Through a combination of skill and luck, we haven't had to endure that. But at some point we will. The only question is how bad is it going to be. They more they have and keep, the more we have to lose.
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Thunes to acquire payments platform Tilia LLC
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Thanks to SL's unique economy, for some, this isn't a novelty or escape. This is their place of work.
Very few have hundreds of USD spare a month to drop on a region without that at least covering it's operating costs. No one has full time job hours to plug into making content year in year out without that paying the bills.
Things are on a razors edge for much of the creator community, this is all a matter of survival.
It's popular here to sneer about those who make a living in and from their activities in SL, but that has been the promise of this platform since the start. It's also one of the only selling points proven to drive growth.