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As I answered you before to this matter, that may be true for new artists but that's to play probably for a few times and then the radio station does have to pay royalties. Look, my ex-boyfriend had a friend who worked for ASCAP collecting data from radio and tv to pay the royalties to whom the money goes. Radio stations pay the artists per play of the song. Write ASCAP and ask them if you don't believe me or the internet. As we've mentioned earlier, in most markets, both songwriters and recording artists are typically paid royalties any time their music is played on the radio. ... So, for the American-based music industry, only songwriters and their publishers (owners of the composition copyright) are paid performance royalties for airplay.Jan 21, 2020 https://www.google.com/search?q=do+songs+receive+royalties+as+played+on+the+radio&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS784US784&oq=do+songs+receive+royalties+as+played+on+the+radio&aqs=chrome..69i57j33i22i29i30l2.10039j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 How much does an artist get paid when their song is played on the radio? Songwriters are paid via 3 royalty streams: Today, the current rate is 9.1 cents (typically split with co-writers and publishers). Performance Royalty – A songwriter receives a performance royalty when their song is performed on terrestrial broadcast radio, in a live performance venue, or via online streaming services.

I was using a hypothetical of say in a hair salon just turning on a stream from my laptop like a beginner might. However, yes, I'd eventually go for a cheap small business stream with a monthly fee...I'd get it eventually. But to say there are no music streams on the internet making money for only themselves seems a bit hard to believe. As far as illegal CD's out there, they are there. Some sold at Swap Meets or backs of cars at swap meets, and on Ebay. I have some good suspicion to think so but not in a mood this morning to type it all out. So, no, illegal CD's did not end in the 90's as I never downloaded free torrent music for well over 20 years. I did not believe in the "file sharing" of Napster and then others who followed suit. Although I do have friends and their whole music collection is ripped or burned for free. But, I was using broad-brush strokes and hypotheticals in my posts, not saying every stream is illegal AT ALL. But, again, if there are illegal music streaming sites on the internet, it's up to the record companies to shut them down.

I'm not saying the onus isn't on the owner of the business establishment, I'm saying it's a lot easier to fool others on the internet that it is a so-called legitimate stream when it's really only the streaming company being paid not the artists/recording industry. However, the onus is on record companies to initiate the shutdown of illegal internet streaming companies down. Yeah I know, I've read it. However, illegally copied CD's one cannot play but it's not so easy to even know if one has a forgery for sure or not so it gets pretty ridiculous there...although I have purchased my music in good faith. Also, if artists are going to come out and say that one cannot play a CD they purchased in a small setting outside their home, they are going to need to spell it out in writing prior to purchasing the music if it's internet transfer only or spell it out on the CD itself. One can't just make up stuff that isn't written on their CD that they may have purchased long ago, that's false advertising or bad faith or something...?

Okay, I wrote a continuing above in an EDIT while you were typing this, and I tell you there is no problem me playing my CD is any small business where I live. Now read this what I wrote above: EDIT: Continuing.... Okay, above I give you an example of how I can use my CD collection in a business. Now let's say I want to turn on a stream of music from the internet. Okay, where is that stream coming from ? Did that stream download music for free or is that stream coming through in my business paying royalties? There could be illegally created streams on the internet in Jibip, Jibip (God only knows where?) and with that stream is only that streaming company who complied a bunch of illegally duplicated songs only making money while the artists and others in the recording business get nothing? This is where the problem is. It's illegal duplication of music by an illegal service where others make money and the artists get nothing - it's illegal duplication again that is the problem.

Hmmmm. I looked at one of my CD's, it's a Bob Dylan CD, and it says 2014 Columbia Records, All Rights Reserved. It also says... WARNING: Unauthorized Duplication is a Violation of Applicable Laws. It doesn't say I am not allowed to play for others or at others houses, etc. I think many businesses are paying for streams of music because they want a large variety of music, a constant turning over of new music, not just their same CD or music collection all of the time. Let me take a real life business example: If I had a hair dressing station in a salon in my home town, I could play my own CD's there in that salon and no one would care either and I'd be making money as a hair dresser. I think what is playable and not playable is really is it a legitimate copy the person is playing as opposed to an illegal duplication and this is where one needs proof they purchased the music on the internet on their stream in SL. It's not a type of business here in SL to warrant a commercial license, unless it's as us residents altogether baring the cost. What needs to be proved here is that the music is legit. How to do that, I don't know. EDIT: Continuing.... Okay, above I give you an example of how I can use my CD collection in a business. Now let's say I want to turn on a stream of music from the internet. Okay, where is that stream coming from ? Did that stream download music for free or is that stream coming through in my business pay royalties? There could be illegally created streams on the internet in Jibip, Jibip (God only knows where?) and with that stream is only that streaming company who complied a bunch of illegally duplicated songs only making money while the artists and others in the recording business geting nothing? This is where the problem is. It's illegal duplication of music by an illegal service where others make money and the artists get nothing - it's illegal duplication again that is the problem.

Redundant Daddy would have to be the child's name.

LOL I actually made up Purrincess. This is really true. I do like Purrincess for Dinkies I have to admit.

Lord might have been okay but Daddy is pretty awful although there truly are far worse things to worry about in reality. But Lord is better at the beginning of a name, so maybe they can consider selling titles, such as Lord, Lady, etc.

I never crash and it's said I have less than optimal integrated graphics to run EEP and even with EEP I still never crash. I don't use a router for one thing. It's only me on one line for my computer which could be helping my situation or not but I never crash. I only time out if a region is being restarted which is usually where I live where that happens. I used to crash years and years ago with dial-up but when I got high speed cable for the first times years ago, I had occasional crashes plus had router then too. But, since joining almost four years ago, I never crash, and I've never had a router this time in SL. I'll relog if I have lag at a busy event, however.

It's not just the USA or English speaking countries, it's the world. It's the patriarchy, it's still alive and well. Men are good for military, women not so much. The gifted are good for making money even in so-called Communist nations, the non-gifted not good for making money. The problem with the world is the patriarchy. It's always been the patriarchy. I'm a women, I know what I have been through because of the patriarchy. The patriarchy marches on.

Right because you purchased the right to play it but not duplicate it. It's duplicating that is the real problem. If it's going to servers in the Netherlands, then I'd gather it's not supposed to go to those servers as the servers could possibly be considered unsecure or something in that someone there could steal the music and duplicate it. This is where it's all a big mess - duplicating - but the mess is all over the place, even on Ebay. And, I've said enough of off topic also. Sorry for my going on about it.

I was just wondering what is the difference of me or anyone in real life in my building for example where we play music for each and sometimes for outside gatherings in our building's garden. We don't have to pay royalties for others to hear our music in real life. So, I was wondering if something could be created for the internet that is similar to what we have in real life for small gatherings and that is those listening to our music in real life where we don't have to pay royalties. The audiences in SL are not big enough to warrant need for a commercial license. I agree also that it's off topic and that's about the end of what I want to say. I will continue to play my music outside for gatherings in our building's garden without qualms. LOL There never were any qualms to begin with, not in real life. Are all my CD's in real life legit? I'm not so sure. I bought some cheap off Ebay but no longer do that. The price seemed far too low that I believe some are counterfeit.

You have to forgive me as my response sounded lackluster there but it's 110 degrees today and I'm fried literally and fainting practically. I just read a bit about hip-hop, it started in the New York City, in the Bronx, according to the Wiki. I don't think just having alternative mixes and such is the solution for SL though. But, there are just bazillions of songs and it's a lot of paperwork to get all royalties out and this is a big part of the problem to having a less expense "party" type license to be created which is a hypothetical and does not currently exist, of course. It's just too much paperwork and redtape. I have no advice nor idea as to what is a good solution for all residents of SL.

Wow, I hate to say but that sounds like racial profiling by the police to me.

This is true with new artist's or bands with new music. I had forgot about that but I've seen it in played out in many movies how one used to get their song on the radio. In L.A. now it's mostly oldies or Hispanic radio now. So, I've been listening to Classical for years now so I was thinking of all the oldie stations as that's mostly what we have had here in L.A. during the free for all download all music for free past two or so decades now, and when each of those oldie songs play on the radio, royalties are paid per radio play.

It's not the radio or local radio stations that would come through in a park or at the beach or in your car for example, local music off local radio is paid for in America. It's pirated copies that people burned for free off the internet and made their own free CD's that are the problem if played in public. I read a bit about what one can do with legitimate music they have paid for and one can make a copy and play 'that' CD in their car for example because it's been paid for. It's illegal downloading and illegal discs that are the problem.

Jaylinbridges said: The cost of a non-profit license is nearly the same as commercial. It is still $1000 USD/channel plus a performance fee added Yeah, that's why I said a "kind of". It would have to be different. Thus, I spoke of parties and a different kind of software would be needed but my suggestions above were all hypothetical, of course. SL DJ's and clubs do not make anywhere near enough money to have the kinds of licenses that you mention although some clubs have something thus that's why they probably have a 24/7 sim with a lot of DJ's who can all bare part of the cost for the stream. Bars can afford them as they sell liquor too and other goods. Most businesses sell stuff to where they can afford the license. SL is not in that category. Could another "party" type category license be created somehow? SL clubs do not sell enough to classify as a real world business, unless you look at SL as a whole.

SL is not on par with YouTube or others that have commercials so they are not the same first of all. So, perhaps LL would need a kind of non-profit license. Non-profits can accept donations (see URL below). The amount of listeners for each SL "party" is about the same or less for a real life family and friend backyard party so it's not enough people to warrant enormous fees such as Apple or whomever is in business to sell music. Perhaps a kind of software for such parties could be made for the internet for those who want to play music at parties, call it "Party Play" and it's not very expensive and it's not for profit but the songs download legally for a small fee. One needs to consider that many companies don't want others downloading music free so they can compile a fake CD and sell those illegal CD's either in the back of a car or on Ebay for some examples. I listen to the below Classical music station every day and they are non-profit and have a non-profit license so perhaps someone could contact them and ask what kind of license they use. I could play the below music url at a backyard lunch I could have in real life and not pay royalties as they are already paid. Illegal pirating is really what record companies want to stamp out. https://www.kusc.org/

@Alwin Alcott This is what you said. We cannot help what DJ's are to you in the Netherlands. DJ'S are not a broadcasting radio station in America, not hardly. I blocked you a long time ago because you were rude many times. And, I agree with the others now, make you own thread about it. This is not the thread for this to keep going on off topic about what DJ's are in the Netherlands. Silent Mistwalker has the correct information in several posts in this thread but you keep avoiding them and other's with the correct information. You are a grown up. If you are not supposed to be listening in the Netherlands, don't tune in.

K. Then he can stop quoting me as I usually have him blocked anyways because I am not tuning in from the Netherlands so it doesn't concern me.

He said he can't listen to a DJ because they are a broadcaster or something or other and the DJ must have a license, and no, in America, it's the venue or the business that must have the license and not each employee too plus he believes no clubs in SL have a license which is accusing everyone and I am not doing any such thing nor going there. The songs come across in digital print in local chat. As far as his posts they are not very understandable and I cannot help him period. It's his countries laws he has to follow and I have a busy life today. I cannot help the man.

He'd be better off not listening then as I can't help him. I'm not under his laws.

If that DJ from the Netherland's is in the main venue's stream which is paying the royalties, I am not sure why Alwin and others from the Netherlands say they must pay as well, that is doubling paying for one song? When a song plays on a licensed radio for instance, it receives payment only once whether one or two hundred million people hear it and you see the name of the song go by on the internet just as you do in the SL clubs in local chat. I am not sure what Alwin is saying about his country but I'd gather he'd just better turn the music off if he understands it.

I was thinking the same this morning, Rowan, exactly. LL could have one, or a venue in SL. Only one license is needed per business. As others have said, a radio station or business gets the license, not it's individual employees. Even Kimmi stated such who runs a real bar business.

I don't want to ask how much for your licenses as it's your business but I was looking up the cost and what is called a BLANKET LICENSE from ASCAP it says is about $225 a year. This link was for some "fitness" club thing though but it is the ASCAP site. A "blanket license" is a license which allows the music user to perform any or all of the millions of works in the ASCAP repertory, as much or as little as they like. Licensees pay an annual fee for the license. The blanket license saves music users the paperwork, trouble and expense. https://www.ascap.com/music-users/types/fitness-landing-page?gclid=CjwKCAjw_JuGBhBkEiwA1xmbRWL3EqpqwNrZvPcm8W3r-Cj8Qg1fHbCQkHVAY4FnsAsUZNDJhDUUKBoC6QkQAvD_BwE