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  1. 37 minutes ago, Ardy Lay said:

    I was also curious, so I looked at the application form.  The application to list a Third Party Viewer is a wee bit less intrusive now.  You can find the link to the application form at the bottom of the page listing Third Party Viewers.

    Thanks Ardy, never thought of that xD

     

  2. 2 hours ago, Wulfie Reanimator said:

    Free accounts don't have access to Adult rated areas until they add/use payment info. If Premium is the first purchase you make, then I guess it's accurate.

    I think what the "L$10 uploads" is referring to is that you get them for free, unlike free accounts who have to pay per upload. It seems poorly worded.

    Animesh attachments are different from mesh attachments (such as the mesh body/head you'd normally wear).
    They have their own, separate skeleton that can be animated separately from your avatar, despite it being attached to you.
    Free accounts can have one animesh attachment, premium account can have two.

    Wrong.  Just enter a date of birth at sign-up stating an adult and you have full access to adult areas and land the moment you enter second life.

     

     

  3. 1 minute ago, Sparkle Bunny said:

    Does anyone still think this shower are a business? They didn't manage to find anyone to buy their stolen data, they haven't (so far) started extorting protection money from people who want to be left alone, and they have never acted with the slightest hint of professionalism. Prok had the measure of them; they're a bunch of amateur trolls, nothing more..

    Attempting to negotiate 'politely' with someone who is harassing you is a terrible idea. File an abuse report instead.

    But it's not actually stolen data.

     

    It's publically accessible information that anyone can get using legitimate lsl scripts.

     

    Any RL info gotten is only what a user had chosen to put into their publically viewable profile, that anyone can see.

     

    I'd say they did act with more than a little effort in revealing what data was collected and how.

     

    Mr ban lines hud doesn't name his bots does he? Yet they scan land and nobody protests.

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  4. 28 minutes ago, Paul Hexem said:

    Let's be fair for a moment. Here's somebody not actually breaking any rules, using well documented script functions, and believed they were providing a free service to people that people would appreciate. We've seen threads absolutely demonizing them, accusing them of all sorts of nefarious things, banning them from regions... And that's only including people that understand that no rules were broken and no hacks were used. The users that don't understand are behaving even worse.

    I suspect we'd all be feeling pretty defensive.

    Well said

    Very well said indeed.

     

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  5. 2 hours ago, Maitimo said:

    That is one of the most disgustingly obnoxious and unprofessional things I have ever heard from a supposed "business".  

    First, it's your own business practises that are causing people to "go off like a Karen" in the first place.  So its YOU who is responsible for that behaviour, not them. If you didn't do that, they would not be complaining.

    Second, it shouldn't matter whether people complaining are being polite or not. Politeness is subjective anyway. Us Brits swear and curse all the time, it doesn't mean we're being impolite. It's just filler words. Regardless of the attitude of the complainant, you should still be offering good customer service, every time.

    Third, only a tiny percentage of SL users even know you exist. The rest have no way of finding out because they don't read the forums.  Put yourself in the shoes of a person who has just come out of an abusive relationship, and whose ex-partner has become threatening and even more abusive. So they leave their parcel and rent another in secret. But what's this? Some alt accounts with disturbingly similar names are cropping up in their region every day. Has the abuser found them? Is he stalking them? They move again, and again these strange alts show up every day. How did he even do that, they didn't tell anybody. He must have hacked their computer!   So now they are even more terrified. But they have no way of knowing. 

    Your website says in the FAQ:  "Q. Are you stalking me?"  "A. No. Who are you again?"  This is blatantly false. You're stalking everyone, and you DO know who we are because you've already got our data. Your bots are causing some people unbearable anxiety, they might even be causing someone to harm themselves.

    What you should be doing is sending a notecard, to every land-owner and every tenant on every region that your bots visit, to explain yourselves. You also need to include a full list of your bots by name, the opt-out information, along with the website url and the RL name and contact details of the data controller, as required by law.

     

    Correction: publically available data that's already possible to get via lsl script.

     

    Worried about avatars, block them, report them.

     

    Let's all not forget that at least the bonnie bots came out said what they were doing and even made a website about it.  Not that many other bot operators did that

     

    Us Brits, keep a stuff upper lip.

     

    And if seriously you're "triggered" by these bots should you even be on sl at all?

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  6. On 4/1/2023 at 7:46 PM, VenKellie said:

    SOME people need a bot on their old mainland parcel for group invites. NOT all bots are collecting data.

    SOME people just use a "click this to join group" board.

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  7. 4 minutes ago, Sid Nagy said:

    Maybe we all should insert the phone number of our local police station as an answer, when we get that dialog box.
    (That is if you don't use that one as your login password of course).

    I would give them the number of a premium sex line service.  I do that whenever I have to supply a phone number for something.

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  8. 21 minutes ago, TessaPaige Jupiter said:

    Well, it is the long weekend and I think I am out of luck...I run a business in SL and can' access it so that is a problem My alts can log in fine. I sent in a ticket, a jira and even an email in hopes that maybe there is someone working this weekend who can explain what is going on. The completion time of the "minor maintenance" keeps changing....sigh.

    Support are open today, I've been on live chat with them already for stuff.

  9. 18 minutes ago, Quartz Mole said:

    Don't forget that the estate owner can split their holdings up into several smaller separate estates.  I don't know offhand if they can do that in the viewer or if they have to ask Linden Lab to do it for them, but that's certainly an option.  It is, in fact, what the Land specialist I asked to clarify this suggested.    To allow bots into some regions on an estate you own but not onto others, you'll need split the estate up into smaller ones with separate settings.

    and you just backed me up completely xD

     

    no more misinformation.

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  10. 5 minutes ago, bunboxmomo said:

    Yes it is rediculous, but that's what has just been confirmed and I think we all agree we'd like this to be applyable for regions too. If you're not even going to listen to actual lindens on this now, there is no point in this discussion because you aren't listening to actual things that actual staff are bringing to the thread and this is going to go nowhere. Lets try have an actual discussion.

     

    Also

    Estate Manager is not the same thing as Region Owner.

    Region Owner gives *ontop of EM access* abilities to control other things, such as the RAW that is used for the terrain map.
    While EMs have terraforming permissions, they do *not* have the ability to bake, download or upload RAWS. This is limited to RO.

    Zoha is offering you *EM* rights there, not *RO* rights.

    This appears to be the source of the confusion so let me repeat this in clear not uncertain terms.

    Estate Manager is NOT the same as Region Owner.
    Region Owner is inbetween the permissions of Estate Manager and Estate Owner.

    You can be assigned to an EM position of a region by the Region Owner.

    Some barons give RO permissions *and* EM permissions, some ONLY give EM permissions.

    Region Owner has access to some permissions that EM does not. (RAWs for example)

    You can be an EM of one, multiple or all regions within an Estate.

    Please consider, if your own understanding is conflicting with information given by the lindens themselves, it is possible that your own understanding may be mistaken or the method by which you tested may be mistaken, or you may be misunderstanding what is being said.

    But all that aside, that's not what we're talking about (or trying to, but this is getting very noisy static on the line)
    What is being said, is that because there is no region level setting for this in the backend, this ends up solely an estate wide permission (as the lindens themselves have confirmed). The result of this is that in the case of mega-estates like those of land barons that rent out full regions (and give EITHER EM OR RO OR BOTH), that these regions are unable to apply deny_bots without it affecting the entire region.

    I understand some people here are very attached to their positions, but we've had linden confirmation of this, can we please move forwards on this and discuss ideas for a feature we can suggest on the JIRA that will allow the vast amount of private islands that are baron owned, to also be able to choose to deny_bots without having to convince an estate owner to apply this to the hundreds of regions they own, as in most cases an EO would generally refuse to do this due to the different needs of their customers, leaving these regions as a result unable to ban bots.

     

     

    You're still posting incorrect information, including claiming you can scan for a user's HUD attachments which simply isn't possible.

    So other users, like me, are having to post conflicting posts by yourself where we have tested our information and found it to be correct so that we are giving users the correct information so that they can make a fully informed decision, without referring to your post that leads them to incorrect information that can wrongly lead them to the wrong conclusions, whereas giving them the correct information (such as i posted) can lead them to make the correct, informed decisions as they have the actual, correct facts in front of them.

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  11. 1 minute ago, Rowan Amore said:

    As abilities for estate managers are assigned by the estate owner, they vary from position to position.   While some estate.companies may allow for changing of certain aspects of the region you rent, not all will do so.   

     

    it's all or nothing.  Please, don't post incorrect information, it only adds to the issues.

     

    If a renter is granted EM rights to a sim, it's FULL EM rights, not a pick'n'mix sweet assortment.

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  12. 6 minutes ago, bunboxmomo said:

    I'm just going to start ignoring you at this point, I'm sorry but I've tried in good faith to talk with you about this multiple times and it's just being met with hostility and my actual question ignored/distorted each time.
     

    I don't feel there is a good faith exchange going on so it's better we leave it there.

    oh, there's no hostility, or your questions ignored/distorted.

     

    If you feel that you've misunderstood (or triggered by being corrected) your posting of incorrect information, including claiming to be able to scan for HUD attachments, which simply isn't possible, as opposed to my preferring to post correct information, then that's your choice of course.

     

    I just prefer to see users provided with correct information.

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  13. 2 minutes ago, bunboxmomo said:

    Can you please just let quartz reply instead of answering for him about his own post, so we don't create further confusion in either direction be it my own or yours?

    There's no confusion.

     

    My answers are prompted by things I have tested, and please feel free to test these things yourself.

    Just for the sake of clarity: I rent a homestead, I have Estate manager rights, I was able to toggle no-bots on/off via the LL viewer despite the Estate owner setting it globally, it applied to my homestead only, I had a friend with a registered bot (a store bot) test this out for me, so that I could provide correct information to users.

    It saves on posting incorrect information, including claiming you can scan for HUD attachments which simply isn't possible.

     

    Please, feel free to test this yourself, and correct me if I'm wrong.

  14. Just now, bunboxmomo said:

    Thank you quartz!
    Ok so if we're understanding your reply *to your current understanding pending a response from another person LL*,

    The setting is estate wide, but individual bots can be added to a region's allow list?
    But the deny_bots flag itself is estate wide?

    Just to make sure we're understanding right (pending the confirmation of course)

    The setting is estate wide, but as stated, can be over ridden by a person who has EM rights on a sim that they rent.  Equally that person with EM rights can whitelist a "bot" at the estate level regardless of setting (and yes, I've tested this xD).  I love correct information, as it gives users an honest and correct set of info to make their own choices with.

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  15. 3 minutes ago, bunboxmomo said:

    Ok that's great, hopefully you are right, I would like that to be the case.
    There is no sarcasm here whatsoever, I genuinely do hope that is the case and we can be happy together if we get clarification!

    I do appreciate your input, but I would like to hear confirmation of that from LL themselves.

    That's of no worry to me since I've posted correct information to hopefully try and reassure anybody who saw your incorrect information including your claim to be able to scan for HUD attachments.

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  16. 1 minute ago, bunboxmomo said:

    For petes sake Beli, so why are you against us getting clarification from LL themselves, don't be so attached to "being right" and lets just ask so we can clear this up? Surely it's better rather than "no I'm right vs no I'm right!"

    But I *am* correct.

     

    if you feel you need somebody to confirm this, then that's up to you.

     

    Personally, I just don't like to see incorrect information (including claiming to be able to scan for HUD attachments, which is blatantly incorrect) to be posted.  That only serves to confuse people, or "trigger" certain kinds of people.  Having the correct information allows people to make educated, informed, statements, and helps most users.

     

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  17. Just now, bunboxmomo said:

    Yes, and I have rented and had region owner.
    Your experience is not universal beli.

    But you are still posting incorrect information, whereas I chose to post correct information.

     

    That is what causes people to react.  The whole bot situation is giving some people (not me personally) issues, so by giving correct information, it helps to ease these concerns.

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