Arkanus Andel

Thank you very much for proving my point in the clearest way possible while also showing that you react quite badly to factual information. You assigned a monetary value to a plot of virtual land that you have not shown any intent to sell off for L$, thus meaning you are actually getting nothing whatsoever back that could be converted into real cash. In short unless you intend to sell off your plot you are getting nothing whatsoever. $5 + $0 = $5. The value you placed on that Tier is meaningless unless you are receiving that value back, which you are not. Now if you'd like to continue you are quite welcome to, you will be doing it alone however as I have no intention to continue refuting your erroneous information.

I am well aware what this forum looks like when accessed on a mobile device as I see exactly that when enlarging the page. A truly responsive design would not shift to that interface on a normal computer, period. I do not have to do this for the majority of places I visit so your 'suggestion' is not viable. It does not take a genius to figure such a thing out nor does it take one to understand how one's settings should be set for optimum viewing across more than one page. Have a good day, your attitude will get you nowhere.

Yes, let's enlarge the font size using the in web browser settings. Oh wait, that is a global setting and should be set based on an average of the pages one visits. Care to guess which one is the oddball there? "Desktop View" does not exist. The forum does not have separate viewing modes which respond to the device accessing the page. To close this: I am quite well aware of what options exist and how to use them. As I said in my last response, if the forum really was designed to be "responsive" then it would be redirecting mobile users to a setup that is designed for their device.

Which generation is the "correct generation" in your opinion? Frankly speaking it seems to me that you may well mean the generation that insists everything be compatible with their mobile devices, that demands their video games be released right now and complains bitterly when there is even the smallest delay. An entire generation that believes Generic First Person Shooter MCMXIV is the greatest thing since sliced bread. That generation simply moves from fad to fad without a second thought.

It seems to have gone right over your head that I am in fact using a normal computer to access and use this forum. A truly responsive design would notice that a user is not using a mobile device and cease swapping to such an interface when the user enlarges/zooms. What is your reasoning for placing Log In/Out, Notifications and Messages in the hamburger menu as opposed to somewhere on the main areas? If it is for no reason beyond what you call reducing clutter then honestly all I can say to that is that such is your opinion.

Enlarging the page/zooming in is second nature at this point as it is something I have to do even for pages with a larger font size. It is a secondary gripe. Device responsiveness is a wordier way of saying that web designers are catering to those who almost never view web content on anything other than a smartphone or tablet. If I wanted to see a mobile interface while using this forum I would use a smartphone or tablet. As for hamburger menus vs. drop down boxes: A drop down box would have been preferable as there is this trend where page designers try and cram everything they can into the hamburger. This does not reduce clutter at all, it simply shifts it to a pop in menu. Log in/Log Out, Mark Forum Read, Account options, Notifications and Messages really shouldn't be in there as an example though your mileage may vary.

The problem is that you continually ignored the information that was presented to you and attempted to move the goalposts several times. Now we're done.

Again I have no idea what stores you've been visiting nor what items you've been running a search for but I have yet to run into such a thing. No building, clothing item, avatar modification/part or complete avatar could contain enough variations for over 50 pages of 'the same thing' at 96 items a page. Tagging an item with several terms also has little effect outside of making that item appear in searches that include those terms. It does not cause the items to show up more than once in the same search. What is wrong with how the forum looks you ask? It is designed for mobile devices and requires anyone with sight issues to enlarge the page/zoom in to even begin to read it, all the while the interface elements are shifted around or removed and placed into one of those awful hamburger menus.

Except that there apparently is a need for it, otherwise it would not be so prevalent now would it? I do not know what Marketplace stores you have been frequenting but you would have to have quite a great number of color variations to cause someone to have to go through 30 pages of listings. Further, if you're basing that rather hyperbolic number on the default 12 items per page setting you really have no grounds to complain. Unless you have a very good reason not to do so you really should be using the 96 item per page setting for any search or store front with more than 96 items listed. Finally, the practice of listing individual color options for an item - if applicable - may well be annoying to you but that does not mean it is annoying to everyone. Your insistence in this thread that tings be made to look more modern is - in my opinion - misguided. The new design for the forum seems to be your go to example for quite a great deal despite the simple fact that other parts of the web end for Second Life have had minor tweaks and facelifts here and there over the years. No, the Marketplace does not look like something out of 2004 and - in my own opinion - the present visual design for these forums is a travesty.

It has been quite some time since I last saw a club that offered any sort of pay beyond tips and you are correct in that the amount displayed in a tipjar is not an indicator of how much has been made that week and yes there are quite a few variables. By and large, people simply do not tip as much or as often as they used to. Staring a business as a creator in Second Life is not as easy now as it once was, if you are trying to create anything beyond textures (of any sort) then you are all but required to learn how to use 3D Modeling software or learn how to write LSL2/Mono code - not everyone will be capable of either of these and there are some without the artistic talent to make their own textures either. This leaves the various club related jobs (including escorting) and in world Modeling work - which as noted earlier, the Modeling work can be done by an AI driven account. Ah wait i forgot one, Landscaping and Terraforming. The former requires you to either be provided with inventory or have it on hand while the latter does require a bit of skill to get right.

I've already stated I understand your reasoning. I have also laid out exactly why your response was irrelevant to what was being disputed. Please continue to hammer away at such an angle, I've made my point and you have made it clear that you wish to ignore it while attempting to move the goal posts. I'm done, someone else can respond further if they so desire.

The last time I looked at the job market the only ones available that did not come with some sort of prerequisite were club related, tips only jobs and what amounted to being a clothing store mannequin. The former of these types simply are not generally worth it seeing as so few bother to tip. The latter can be done by an AI driven avatar. If this has changed then it is for the better.

What part of breaking even requiring you to get back exactly the amount you pay in don't you understand? You get L$1200 a month in Stipend - slightly less than $5, the Tier waver does not reimburse you the cost of that 512. Let's round up to exactly $5 a month shall we - 5 x 12 is 60, less than the cost of an Annual Membership. Being exact, that L$1200 is $4.80 currently on the market. Multiply that out for the year and you get $57.60 back should you decide to process that into actual cash. Again I do understand why you consider the cost you pay out of pocket each year - and you do pay that difference out of pocket - to be worthwhile to you. I am quite aware that you'd be paying even more if you decided to purchase that L$1200 and the 512m2 parcel directly, that is and was never in dispute. What was being disputed was the claim of breaking even and it was disputed using nothing more than facts and basic math. You cannot break even if you are not getting the exact cost of your Annual Membership back in a manner wherein you pay nothing whatsoever out of pocket. Now if you had some other income source within Second Life that allowed you to cover the difference between your yearly Stipend and the actual cost of the Membership then yes, you'd be breaking even. <Moderator Readacted>

Sigh No matter how you try to explain it, you're still not getting that waived Tier fee back as actual money nor is your Stipend paying the full amount of your membership. Contrary to what you have apparently assumed, I do understand quite well your stated reasoning for viewing it as a benefit. As I said in response to someone else, I simply dislike misinformation/inaccurate information, which you presented when stating you break even. Nowhere have I stated some desire to "pay more to get less" either. Now can you please stop trying to pass your earlier claim off as accurate?

Not really much else left, no. For my part, I simply dislike misinformation/inaccurate information.

Did I state anywhere that I was describing my own situation? I surely must have said this somewhere if you're under that impression ... Nope, didn't say such a thing anywhere at all so no idea where that came from. Do note that I said a slim possibility of tips, this means that in most cases you are lucky to get anything whatsoever. Meaning there is nothing to save most of the time. Yes, we all came here with nothing, that is the only thing Alwin and yourself have gotten right.

To break even, one must get their money back, dollar for dollar. Getting a 512 without paying Tier does not reimburse a person the extra money and thus they do not break even. Don't pass off free Tier as you making back what you have paid in, BilliJo. You're not getting $10 a month, you're getting $5 if the market allows for it. No, you don't know what you're talking about and you're acting like a used car salesman. Again, you're not helping your own argument here.

Then BilliJo should not have claimed to be breaking even. Edit: Yes I am aware that she rolled the Premium 512m2 free Tier into that assessment. That is not money that is repaid to her and thus does not factor into the equation whatsoever. At L$300 a week, you do not break even after a year has gone by with an Annual Premium Subscription.

Welcome to the modern age, where not having even a low end device puts you at a bit of a disadvantage. A luxury is a high end gaming machine, not a laptop with cardboard for a graphics processor. <Sarcasm> But yes, this is all about pretending that luxuries are some sort of right ... </sarcasm>

Not sure where you live or what your financial situation is but this attitude concerning the cost of even a low end computer ($400) somehow being an indication of how much a person is able to spend is (almost) laughably offensive. You've apparently never met anyone that had to save for a year or that had to use financing of some sort just to get a computer, heaven forbid you ever meet someone whose only recourse is to rent one. Telling a new user to save or find a job? Save what, vapor? Find a job (in Second Life I assume)? When is the last time you ran across a job that did not amount to volunteer work with the slim possibility of tips? You're out of touch on more than one front.

Boy oh boy this thread really came back with a vengeance now didn't it? Klytyna? We get it - you had a horrible experience on Mainland, mistakenly believed that some users that post here somehow have the clout to make actual demands of the Lindens concerning Mainland and Private Island finances (among other things) and that you 'lost patience' with it all. Your attitude here isn't helping you at all. It's a forum, people have differing opinions on a wide variety of topics. You act as though your experiences are the only ones that count and that simply isn't true. Put the Betelgeuse sized chip on your shoulder down. BilliJo? We get that you honestly believe Premium has all of these oh so wonderful perks, really we do. See here's the thing, as has been pointed out to you before they are perks for you. You pay $72 a year and break even? That's wonderful, your account was created and signed up for Premium at a time where that is actually possible. You get what, L$400 a week? Current Premium Stipend is L$300 a week, that's not breaking even. That is $57.60 a year at the present exchange rate. Not knowing even that much is part of the reason why some have been responding to you the way they have. The way you've come off so far hasn't really helped much either.

First, there is nothing to discredit: I have made factual observations concerning this thread and your responses. Second: There is no binary answer to be given for your question and the simple fact that you have solicited one shows your attempt to have your viewpoint validated where no such validation exists. The Lindens have removed countless entries from the asset database only to have those objects reappear under new names and often created by wholly different accounts. This is why the same Marketplace entries and in world ripped content keep coming back. It is why the items used to grief you will continue to return as well. You simply refuse to accept this and seem to labor under this mistaken notion that once an item has been purged, there is no way for someone else to create an identical object. The reality is that there most certainly is and the varied methods have been explained to you repeatedly. Please feel free to keep to your track record within this thread where this response is concerned.