RicDelMoro

Thanks to everyone who contributed, each piece was fitting into this puzzle : The privacy in the advertisement is only relative, because the owner divided the sim in small pieces trying to make it work...BUT If we are in the same small parcel ( with the avatars symbols in green+yellow on the map) we CAN see the other avis, but we have to be over 100m high.At the ground level we can't see.Mystery solved . Finally, I'd like to suggest that LindenLab improve this "100m high" feature, maybe dividing in more vertical spaces, you wise people that have good transit with the Linden guys can give suggestions too .

Pantera, I know what you mean and when I took the pics I was with maximun distance and "no limit" complexity, but anyway it is a bad time to start a investigation because the owner of the rentals is vanished and the officer girl is very upset...so it will remain as a mistery for while 👽 But maybe it's a clever trick dealing with the size of the terrains, I noticed the place I am has 1024 m2, or 32 x 32.So if she placed each skybox in the small 32 x 32 areas and set no visibility, it could be the answer. but at the same doesn't make sense the avatar in the same region/ parcel near me doesn't be visible, the colour in the avi square was green/orange

"The doctor said I'm not crazy...hahaha ( laughing frenzy ) at least today..."

More : this "CAM FREE"feature is in the advertising too ! Please take a look in the pics

I hope posting those names it's not breaking SL rules,,if it's braking some rules please LL remove the pics...thank you...Otherwise it's a important proof of what I said...You guys please pay attention in the name "seduction15", that AVI was just 113 meters above my head !! Same sim, same parcel.

P.S. : By the way the owner of "60's LindenRentals" JamieLee Larnia is vanished from SL and the manager assistant thinks they will close : her advice is"don't rent or don't keep paying ( but this is another story ) 😬

I know there are places where the PARCEL OWNERS can rent skyboxes and avoid the tenants from SEEING EACH OTHER ( e.g. $60 Linden Rentals Multi-Scene Skyboxes ).My question is "How they do this ?" (don't allow avatars to see each others=caming ).I ask because the tenants are in the same parcel/sim and belong to the same group,even in the same coordinates ( only changing the "Z" level ) so what's the trick that the manager does to keep the privacy ? Is it a gadget or what ? My friend has a 1/4 sim and she wants to open the ground level for free visiting, but keeping the privacy on her skybox, she doens't want to be spied. Any hint ?

Hey Victor, it's the same for me, they messed the EEP versions of Firestorm,try to set the inventory cache smaller in the options and see what happens.For me worked a bit, but the first run of FS in a day is always slow.A lot of fanatics fans say that FS EEP versions are good and everything is OK, but I read complaints from other people every day, even from people with modern PCs. The obvious conclusion is that Firestorm's EEP versions have something wrong, which doesn't happen with SL viewer or Kokua.

I think some people didn't understand that I'm giving a feedback about the beginning of the topic : I asked for help,people mentioned some viewers ( thanks guys ), I tested many and I found one quite light and suitable for those who are having problems with F.S.. It's obvious that whoever is happy with their viewer doesn't need to spend time testing others. I'm not spamming and I'm not even a software salesman...LOL... 🤣

As I said in the F.S. release page :"I’m training to use EEP with the Linden Viewer and KOKUA for some time ago(before F.S. EEPs).So it’s not a problem for me.But the Firestorm EEP version is very slower than the Kokua or Linden viewers.Ex : if I go to a place with more than 10 people,I can use Kokua with avatars complexity as 70 k well.But with Firestorm even setting it as minimun complexity and lowing all settings,I see my PC almost freezing…terrible.My logical conclusion : the Firestorm EEP version has something wrong.You can’t blame EEP because It already had in the others viewers." MarissaOrloff said:"If you want that old school look to give you that "old pleasure" ....."The old pleasure I referred to is the pleasure of seeing avatars rezzing well not "stealing" by sliding the complexity control down or even hitting the "just friends" button...it's not about viewer layout. My concern when I started this topic is to help the average user ( my self included ) to enjoy playing and not abandon SL, sorry if some people here have an almost religious frenzy for some TPV viewers. Those ones are satisfied with their viewers obviously don't need to change or try anything, my advice is for the unhappy ones. I know a viewer like Kokua is not good enough for builders, but it's good to go to complex and crowded places, so my hint it's " just try it".

Let's pretend everything is fine and the Firestorm is not a big fat motorhome with a Formula 1 steering wheel...😈

I'm using KOKUA VIEWER in the version without RLV ( yes, they have this option ) and I can say this viewer is MUCH faster than Firestorm. Not only in places with more avatars, but much faster to rezz any kind of object.The viewer is more simple than Firestorm but also has a bult in AO.I recomend for who wants to feel the old pleasure to play without sad worries.The Firestorm EEP versions are a complete disaster ! Try the modest Kokua and you guys you'll see ! https://kokua.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/KKA/pages/15237201/Downloads

I'm using KOKUA VIEWER in the version without RLV ( yes, they have this option ) and I can say this viewer is MUCH faster than Firestorm. Not only in places with more avatars, but much faster to rezz things like parked cars in a big store ( test it please at places like "VIX MOTORS" or even at "SHOP n HOP" and you'll see ).The viewer is more simple than FS but also has a bult in AO.I recomend for who wants to feel the old pleasure to play without sad worries. https://kokua.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/KKA/pages/15237201/Downloads I insist that you try this viewer not because it's better ( in fact it's poorer in tools than F.S. ), but because it's perfectly playable and we're in a sort of "F.S. emergency", they screwed up the F.S. viewer and while they don't fix the mischiefs, Kokua is an option that makes we smile again.

I agree Firestorm has the best tools I want to use, but a lot of people I've talked to in SL are using FS with "ONLY FRIENDS" turned on when they go somewhere with other people (me too) . So is this what we really want ? I think it's time for the FS team to focus more on performance going forward, even to mitigate the negative impact of the damn EEP....*sighs*

Today I realized that we are demanding a lot from third party viewer developers, but we forget a simple question: "Why the hell doesn't LINDEN LAB make a decent viewer for us?" It's sad to see the absolute lack of some basic tools, like a resize of commands to move, or a simple built in AO.I bet with half dozen of useful tools many people would like to play with the official viewer again, at least sometimes.OK, you can say "what tools you would pick to put in without make a little monster like Firestorm is?" kkk....But it's a valid question, think about it...

Jackson Redstar has a strong computer and has problems with Firestorm...and the same with others on powerful machines.This proves that the FS EEP versions were not well built.If guys with strong computers are suffering, imagine most with average PCs.It's a shame, I guess the Firestorm team should focus most in performance from now on.Or lots of people will simple change their viewers, I don't want to sound ungrateful, but nobody is forced to play with FS.

( I get micro-stutters regularly. ) : same with me, very annoying /firestorm 6.4.21 .....................( So what am I doing wrong? ) IMAO: If you drive the same car ( ur PC ) in the same road (SL ) every day and you change the place you buy gasoline ( viewer), and now your car performance gets worse and the engine coughs, it's obvious what is the culprit : the gasoline ( your viewer).I feel there's a competition among the most popular viewers to be more sophisticated and show more features than the others...this might be good for those who have a strong and brand new PC, but for most users it is a waste.

I'm back to this topic because Firestorm blocked its non-EEP version and forced me to update : now it's really bad to play. In places with more than 10 people the PC starts to freeze,even using a very modest setup.I don't blame EEP because I have Linden and Kokua viewers with EEP and they run fine on my machine.So these days I'm playing with KOKUA VIEWER, it runs much better and faster than Firestorm.I saw some comments of people that was almost leaving SL because the FS viewer updates...wow...I need to say: Don't leave SL, leave Firestorm !

The hints suggested by Beq Janus worked well, and I felt no big changes in the textures.Thank you.

I will keep an eye on this topic . I bet only now (with the recent updates of Firestorm) many of experienced players running FS are having to deal with EEP .Firestorm community is a force that must be respected.I think Linden Lab was underestimating the impact of EEP despite its implementation has some years, because FS users were simply ignoring EEP. "Don't you want EEP? So keep using FS".But now FS team is almost blocking the last version without EEP (6.3.9) forcing the "rebel ones" to deal with it. But the annoying EEP can has a side effect too: as it's so challenging and we need "go back to school", maybe it can be an attraction for we geeks that love to suffer solving problems.Make you feel dumb might be the secret of success of SL ..... LOL

I bet most of SL users can't buy new PCs every update they release ( and we really shouldn't, that sounds like consumer slavery ) or spend all day long testing and trying everything. SL should be just fun , not " a work". As I said before comparing the viewer with an aircraft and the SL with the travel and landscape, if you spend too much time just trying to control it to avoid a crash, there's something wrong with the viewer.And maybe Linden Lab gone too far with EEP , I bet they wanted to please the photographers and at the end of day they harmed the majority of ordinary users. "The forefront of technical development is like an elastic that if pulled too far can break".

I'm not a noob ( since 2013 in SL ) and I've tried to mitigate the usage of Ram in many ways, I have saved some very poor set-ups for crowded places, but I agree with most of tech comments.Although we can notice that the EEP version of FS is not running smoothly like LL viewer or even Kokua for ex. ( Yes, I'm trying Kokua viewer WITHOUT RLV and it seems to be lighter than FS ).Maybe there's something wrong with the Firestorm EEP versions, otherwise we wouldn't see so many people complaining.

Thx for the answers, folks.I'm just a regular user, not so clever,so it's hard for me to take much measures of what the viewer is doing...but I know FPS can be very variable depending on many factors,in messy places it drops to 15 fps,in calm places 45 fps or better,but what drives me crazy it's the excess of RAM that Firestorm takes : other day I was jumping around in some sims,when I noticed FS was taking 5 Gb of my RAM.I had to restart etc.The regular Linden viewer never takes this huge amount of RAM.So what "we" need ( I guess many others think like me) is a kind of intermediate viewer,not primitive as SL official,but not so heavy as Firestorm . (PS , I returned to FS 6.3.9, but they ll kill it next update...so..). I'll give you the example of an airplane: if the plane is too difficult to control we will not enjoy the travel and landscape,we'll be more worried with not falling down, the controls take more attention than the travel. Maybe a good soul can make this kind of "intermediate viewer" some day, because there's a difference between nice geek fun and sad headache.

Hi, please,what viewer is a good alternative to the recent Firestorm 6.4.12/13? I mean better FPS and similar layout, but a bit lighter.I don't care with RLV and photos,I need more performance for general purpose (try to avoid saying "depends of each case...etc"..LOL).My PC is just fine and not so old, Acer gx783br11, i5-7400 3.0ghz,8gb ram, gforce gtx1050ti.Windows 10.Thank you.