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If LL starts changing that it would likely go to TEN PERCENT like the MP. I am perfectly happy for LL to keep their fees off the Casper system. Just saying....

I have been working to update all of my product listings, packages, etc. in order to create consistency across all of my items for sale in-world and on the MP. I am also setting up a new website for my shop and would love to be able to upload all of the urls in one go to show on the relevant pages without having to go copy and paste a gazillion times. The improvements have involved a lot of comparing of lists and for the MP I keep finding myself wishing that I could download all of my products as a spreadsheet which would show me ALL of the MP fields (or just let me checkmark the ones I want) so that I could see all of the names, MP urls, prices, perms, content object name/active version number (which is part of my package naming), etc in one single view instead of having to drill down 600+ times. I think this as a "report" would be awesome and would be a huge value add. If it could include the number sold on the MP all time it would be even better because it would allow us to pinpoint our lower selling items for review, maybe the keywords or description could be better, or perhaps the item should be dropped completely. These are things that are difficult to determine now. Now that you all own Caspervend, I wish that could do it for that as well, rather than the select and paste into spreadsheet method I have to do it with now! And if you really get fancy later on a tool that checks MP against Caspervend so that everything for sale in world is properly reflected in the MP. For Caspervend the total number of sold all time would be even more helpful since (in my case at least) CV gathers all sales MP and in-world into one place. I would seriously like to be able to filter my lowest selling items into an easy to manage list for review. The top selling lists are all well and fine, but they only show you what IS working, not was isn't.

For those concerned about the reserve (or whatever you want to call a the idea of a hold on linden fees for land/region tier due before you can cash out) the answer is pretty straightforward, own those assets in an alt separate from your business account that you use to transfer cash OUT of SL. I did that years ago after a friend of mine got behind on his mainland tier and they blocked his account until it was brought current. The whole idea of that gave me some serious nightmares and so I moved my sims into an alt that I fund as needed and where the rent boxes for my tenants split the money off as it comes in. It also gave me the added security of not having ANY vendors or money taking items attached to the 'banker alt' so no fears of somebody clearing me out with a money-stealing object by accident. I had over a dozen sims in those days so it was more of an issue then. I am of two minds about these changes, that whole "REFUND" thing sounds hinky to me. But the realistic part of me figures it is *probably* lawyer speak of someone who knows law but doesnt know SL. I have decided to adopt a wait and see attitude, but if it starts taking 30 days for me to cash out instead of the usual 3-5 days, there is going to be some seriously loud b!tch'in going to happen!

Tier and sales taxes are two very different animals. For my in-world sales I am already paying tier for my shops and events to cover their tier. Sure i wouldn't complain if my full Sim was 99 bucks a month and it might take some of the sting out of additional fees but not much. More fees will just increase in-world inflation IMHO.

I would like to chime in as a CasperVend user since early 2014. I as a bit excited about the possible integrations, like ratings on items purchased in the MP as well as in-world. Having a single listing pipeline that would work for both would save so much time. That said, fully 75% of my sales are in-world. If LL decides (at that point in the future that they are carefully avoiding mention of) to start charging 10% for in-world transactions like they do now in the MP, I will drop out of the system then and there, full stop. I realize LL has to make their money, I get it, but I am REALLY TIRED OF FEELING NICKLED AND DIMED already. Another 10% skimmed off of 75% of my sales. Oh hëll no!!!! So, LL I do hope you think long and hard before you even think about going there! I am trying to keep the positives in my head, I really am, but it is difficult for me to avoid seeing the serious consequences to MY bottom line if you all decide to "streamline" the fee system for an across the board 10%. I have seen a few folks mentioning fees in other systems, but frankly I don't care what Meta and Roblox charge their creators. It is a moot point because that isn't what we signed up for in SL. I do not think it is fair to put such burdens on your revenue generating merchants and I sincerely hope there are zero plans in that direction.

I had this happen once with a small console cage that I had made. I had uploaded it as one combined linkset and when i got it in world and unlinked it, it went from 3 prims to THIRTEEN THOUSAND and returned half of my shop to me because I didnt have enough prims free on the sim (I have since moved my sandbox to a different sim lol). I did some digging, shared this thermonuclear model with a linden I know and after enough poking at it we determined that it was a physics issue. That first model I had uploaded with "lowest" physics and the subsequent time I used a cube for the physics and the issue didnt happen. I suspect something with your tortured prim probably tweaked the physics engine the same way. SL is full of oddball little things. I had some large land cliffs I bought in the marketplace and found that if I resized them SMALLER their LI would INcrease dramatically, which given what I know about size+impact seems perverse. Welcome to SL, where there are no solutions to some things other than, "try it a different way" One thing i CAN tell you, NEVER link an SL prim torus to a mesh linkset, bad things happen! Is your tortured prim a torus? If so, that could explain most of this issue. Try a different way.

SL is my day job, as it happens, crazy foolish or not, LOL. I have learned over the years that Life is full of uncertainty any company you work for or with can go under or shift gears radically at any time, ***** happens. Control is a fake construct we make for our own sanity. Do you really think you have control over the world? Now, *that* is crazy, LOL! My hubby was laid off from his RL job last year due to covid, companies all over the place have gone under due to a global pandemic. It made me realize how much I love creating in SL, it also made me consider what would happen if it suddenly up and vanished one day. Skills translate, you get a new gig using the skills you have somewhere else. Its the same for SL as RL in that respect. SL creation skills can go to other virtual worlds, games assets, making turbosquid assets or something, who knows, but nothing is wasted. As I said in the very first page of this nearly 150 page long thread, I feel for those that are taking this hit hard with the loss of gachas, but consider it a layoff of one type of income and an opportunity for something else rather than trying to just keep milking the same dead gacha cow. At this point all anyone is doing is crying over the spilled milk and trying to figure out how to sponge some of it back up in some other fashion. yuck. Move on.

I am not a collector, and in fact only will even bother with a gacha if i like everything in it and i dont mind getting non-rares too. I have learned my lesson on those 20 piece sets where there are only 3 things i might like and 17 that i consider useless teacups. An outfit from a gacha, no way not in my world! I typically play gachas for things like wearable critters or things like that where i think they are all cute. But that is me. If I want something, I just want to buy it and get it over with. If it means I have to buy a fat pack to get the gold outfit or the one with the darling boho pattern then that is what i do, or i just grab the solid in a color i like from the vendor and call it done. Easy, as it should be. I have never resold a gacha item. I have gifted a few and tossed those old lessons learned. I have my own stuff to sell that I made myself, why would I want to become somebody else's reseller?

Perhaps I was not clear @Stella Davros I was not intending to say that everyone who has ever taken a pull at a gacha is addicted or math challenged. But those of us who do make internal rules for ourselves, ie a 3 pull limit or whatever, are NOT the audience being sought by these predatory selling practices as they don't make most of their money off of us. Where they ARE making their money is people who can not help but throw as many lindens as it takes to get the thing they want and do not have those internal safeguards. Is it really so hard to just make stuff people want to buy the usual way? Really? Those sets of 20 items that you see in gachas are 10 of them really needed or were they just those ugly puce and chartreuse teacups to round out the set when what people really want is the table and chairs? My aim is not to insult everyone, please do not take me the wrong way. I simply do not buy the whole logic that says "well, I just won't sell as much if I don't put it in a cheap gacha!" There are plenty of shops out there selling things with normal prices and people are buying just fine. If you make quality stuff at reasonable prices it is possible to make a go of it. I find myself railing against the conveyors because it seems like more of the same, only worse for the consumer. There will be lines as people have to wait for the people in front of them to finish before using it or else having the rares sniped right out from under them. Even those of us with a "3 pull limit" or whatever will probably be tempted to go for 5 or 6 to get that one item. And when they seee that 5 or 6 more out from that one is something else rare. Nopes, not for me. Even if LL allows them to go forward, I find myself 100% disinclined to consider buying anything from merchants who buy into that selling method, full stop.

@Linden Lab I am just going to go all the way out onto this limb and say, you wussed out on the conveyor belt vendors! If the goal is to get rid of random and predatory sales then ban these new kinds of vendors too. Having read all 144 pages of this thread it is clear that the whole reason for conveyor belt style vendors is to keep finding ways to fleece the addicted and those unable to do math, rather than simply setting up fair priced shops to sell their wares. In many ways they seem WORSE than what they are replacing. Seriously ban them too and be done with it!!!

Having read the majority of this thread's pages, with suggested workarounds and rolling vendors I just really need to ask why this even needs to be a thing? Seriously as a creator and merchant of long standing in SL I honestly cannot understand why people cannot simply put a FAIR PRICE on their work and sell it without the need to turn their customers into shills. I realize what a sucker punch this must feel like right now to some, but is it so hard to contemplate just being straight with you customers and giving them a good value for their linden dollars? I have read many justifications for why gachas are good, low point of entry etc. But it just doesn't pass the smell test if you lean in for a good whiff. I encourage creators to take this as an opportunity. All the gacha creators are in the same boat and instead of paddling in circles to try to find ways around the new ban just go about your business the way that those of us without significant gachas have been doing it for years. You MIGHT do better than you think. Just my two lindens for what it's worth.

Wow, let the screaming begin. The end of the month seems awfully short! What about places like the Arcade which are ALL gacha? That isn't nearly long enough for them to change gears. I hardly have any so as a merchant this really wont affect me but I am really feeling sorry for those for whom it is a major revenue stream.

I am checking out debug1 and debug2 but they have a half hour return, that is NO help the time is simply too short to be useful.

I have to say that while I am all for the march of progress, this past week has nearly given me a stress breakdown with all of the issues I was having on my development sim. Inventory not saving, scripts taking forfreakingever to load, textures not rezzing properly and a host of other bizarre little happenings nearly did me in. I am sincerely hoping that todays restart comes with some serious fixes because I am at my wits end trying to get things done for all of the pre-black-friday-sales-events-deadlines I have piling up. And as if development were not challenging enough - I cannot seem to teleport more than about twice before I crash out. @Lindens - how do I go about working in one of the non-updated servers? For the sake of my RL health I need some reprieve from this frustrated/uplifted experience I am having.

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