Juliansanderson

Theresa Tennyson wrote: Juliansanderson wrote: Chic Aeon wrote: There is a REASON why lots of folks only buy from Marketplace sellers who have an inworld prescence. This is one of them. Did you TRY THE DEMO? Having a demo work would certainly be a first step. And yes, things have always been this way. Your profile says you are over a year old so I am surprised that you didn't know. Now at least you can shop more wisely. There IS of course a chance that the skin maker might get back to you. Honest mistakes do happen. I am glad that your initial response is to blame the victim. I suppose I am not surprised that this type of reply came up. Since even in RL it happens, when women get raped... well she deserved it she was dressed like a **bleep** mentality. While I do agree some of those things can help, there are plenty of good items on the marketplace that do not have in world presence. To the guy who mentioned the terms of service, ToS is actually not a be all end all when it comes to legal contracts. If the terms of service only protects the people who wrote it and offers no concessions to the other party. It often times is thrown out. In the end it was 100L so I am not out a lot, which is part of the reason I didn't care for a demo, if it was a bad item. It would've been bad and who cares, but the fact is there was no item, it wasn't a bad delivery. It was the correct box delivered but only had a notecard in it. What gets me is linden labs will not take down listings like this. So I am just letting everyone know - why bother making actual content when you can just cheat the system - and anyone who says this is a case of buyer beware. It really isn't, it is a case of this could be managed and prevented. If you thought of this like an online marketplace similar to amazon marketplace(not amazon itself, but the one that allows third party users to sell on amazon.) Or e-bay. If you were sent an empty box from a merchant, with a piece of paper in it rather than an old book you ordered or something similar. Amazon would contact the vendor, get their side of the story, try to resolve it, and then if there was no resolution take appropriate action. L$100 is an extremely low price for a skin - anyone with a fair amount of experience in Second Life should know that. A marketplace search showed most of the skins priced at exactly L$100 are being sold by one merchant, and that merchant offers a wide range of skins with other skin makers' names on them. Buying from that merchant would be the exact equivalent of buying an expensive item from some guy selling things out of the back of a van in a real-world parking lot -- either they aren't what they say they are or they're stolen. What are you talking about Zyra sells complete avatars for L$150 - 300linden that are not mesh quality. However they're fine enough and they come with hair/clothes/etc.... So it is perfectly feasible to get a decent skin for $100 linden.

Chic Aeon wrote: There is a REASON why lots of folks only buy from Marketplace sellers who have an inworld prescence. This is one of them. Did you TRY THE DEMO? Having a demo work would certainly be a first step. And yes, things have always been this way. Your profile says you are over a year old so I am surprised that you didn't know. Now at least you can shop more wisely. There IS of course a chance that the skin maker might get back to you. Honest mistakes do happen. I am glad that your initial response is to blame the victim. I suppose I am not surprised that this type of reply came up. Since even in RL it happens, when women get raped... well she deserved it she was dressed like a **bleep** mentality. While I do agree some of those things can help, there are plenty of good items on the marketplace that do not have in world presence. To the guy who mentioned the terms of service, ToS is actually not a be all end all when it comes to legal contracts. If the terms of service only protects the people who wrote it and offers no concessions to the other party. It often times is thrown out. In the end it was 100L so I am not out a lot, which is part of the reason I didn't care for a demo, if it was a bad item. It would've been bad and who cares, but the fact is there was no item, it wasn't a bad delivery. It was the correct box delivered but only had a notecard in it. What gets me is linden labs will not take down listings like this. So I am just letting everyone know - why bother making actual content when you can just cheat the system - and anyone who says this is a case of buyer beware. It really isn't, it is a case of this could be managed and prevented. If you thought of this like an online marketplace similar to amazon marketplace(not amazon itself, but the one that allows third party users to sell on amazon.) Or e-bay. If you were sent an empty box from a merchant, with a piece of paper in it rather than an old book you ordered or something similar. Amazon would contact the vendor, get their side of the story, try to resolve it, and then if there was no resolution take appropriate action.

So the other day I went onto marketplace to buy a skin. I purchased it and an empty box was delivered to me with just a note card in it. I contacted the vendor hoping for a resolution but have received no contact. So I contact linden labs. Apparently you're able to sell anything you want and advertise it any way you want and they will not do anything about it. They claim to have no responsibility to any transaction that occurs on the marketplace(Despite them taking a cut of these fake listings.) So I suppose you could really create anything make a picture for it, or steal someone elses picture.(Lets say a mesh body for 10k L$) Put it up for listing, and charge a lot of money for it and then linden labs would just turn their eye to it. I have filed a support ticket for this, and I contacted live support and received the same answer from all of them. They do not regulate marketplace, all you can do is leave a review and hope that the vendor gets back to you. To dodge the reviews, just delete the store after its too negative, and make a new one... and just repeat this. I am sure people could even write bots to do it for them.