LlazarusLlong

January 28, 2015

Phil Deakins wrote:

LlazarusLlong wrote:

Phil Deakins wrote:

You don't read this forums much do you, or spend much time inworld.

Wrong and wrong.

And I'll throw in another wrong regarding your inability to be able to type even a short post without egregious errors of presentation. I presume your senility is accelerating, although I dare not hope that it will prevent you from continuing to parade your ludicrous opinons until LL closes

this forums

down in conjunction with the "upgrade" to SL V2.

That's a typical response from someone who knows they've been defeated. Better luck next time

However many people insist that a zebra is just a horse who is a fanatical supporter of Juventus does not make it true. Just because the uneducated believe in a "law of averages" does not make a coin more or less likely to come up heads or tails in any one throw.

Determinedly repeating your ignorance merely serves to emphasise it.

I have noticed that the "wisdom of crowds" does not apply in this forums either.

January 27, 2015

Darklightkelly wrote:

HEY, If anyone has the same interests & wants to hang out PM me

RL I am warm friendly,

38 F

with 2 kids, very laid back, Looking for friendship & just hanging out, sometimes a little cheeky but I don't bite.

any ages, boys or girls - fun loving people.

Alba x

Do you have trouble finding bras?

January 27, 2015

Phil Deakins wrote:

LlazarusLlong wrote:

It looks like a tehrat more to me.

tehrat? English not your native language?

Apparently, it's a well-known medical fact that the ability to identify sarcasm is one of the first cognitive functions to be lost in senile degeneration.

Omission of verbs is another characteristic.

January 27, 2015

Dresden Ceriano wrote:

What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

...Dres

That Shakespeare guy didn't always get it right; I worked with a guy called Alan Rose for a while,and he had really bad BO.

January 27, 2015

Stupidity is its own punishment.

January 27, 2015

Aethelwine wrote:

That sounds like the first line of a joke... but I can't think of a punchline. The only way you could tell would be to ask it. You may have to also ask if they are considered a minor too. I don't know much about Furries and fantasy animals people might roleplay but in some instances certain races have much longer life spans and conceivably minors for longer. For example an elf that might have a lifespan of 200 years could conceivably be considered a minor at 30 years old?

According to Disney, Snow White's Seven Dwarves were all minors, although most of them had beards...

January 27, 2015

Phil Deakins wrote:

You don't read this forums much do you, or spend much time inworld.

Wrong and wrong.

And I'll throw in another wrong regarding your inability to be able to type even a short post without egregious errors of presentation. I presume your senility is accelerating, although I dare not hope that it will prevent you from continuing to parade your ludicrous opinons until LL closes this forums down in conjunction with the "upgrade" to SL V2.

January 27, 2015

KarenMichelle Lane wrote:

LlazarusLlong wrote:

Aethelwine wrote:

The TOS says:

(viii) Post, display or transmit any material, object or text that encourages, represents, or facilitates

sexual "age play,"

i.e., using child-like avatars in a sexualized manner.

Note:

"i.e.," - an abbreviation of id est (

“

it is

”

). That is; in other words; that is to say.

It is almost like the TOS is providing a specific definition of sexual "age play", for the purposes of the TOS and Linden Lab official speak.

Age Play in common english refers to a much wider group of legal activities, including Granny sex, middle aged men in diapers and non sexual roleplaying of different ages to yourself.

The clarification on age play the TOS refers you to starts off:

"This article addresses questions regarding Linden Lab's policy regarding sexual "ageplay" (depictions of, or engagement in, sexualized conduct with avatars that resemble children). This practice is disallowed by the Community Standards due to complaints from Residents and international laws, so it's important to understand the definitions."

and concludes:

"If you are in doubt as to whether an activity may be interpreted as ageplay, we request you err on the side of caution and desist."

By my reading of that in particular the use of the words "so it's important to understand the definitions" I think it is clear Linden Labs are legally defining

sexual "Age play"

to specifically mean the small subset of general understandings of the term just with that involving sexual encounters with minors.

FIFY!

Aethelwine wrote:

They switch between "ageplay" and "age play" too

Which reinforces my opinion of LL as legally incompetent.

[

Giggling

] - Well Linden Lab is a group of techboys & girls - I'm sure they hire out the legal functions to a rent-a-corp-lawyer business. Does that make LL incompetent, well yeah as 99% of all corporate officers and staff are want to be.

From the legal standpoint, if qualifying language is used in the Introductions of various legal agreements [e.g. This article addresses questions regarding Linden Lab's policy regarding sexual "ageplay" (depictions of, or engagement in, sexualized conduct with avatars that resemble children). ] then it LL can reference the topic by the implied shorter name. In contract law, selective reading of a contract does not invalidate the earlier redefinition of a term used later in the language of the contract or in this case, guideline.

Of course the casual reader is not a lawyer but the contract/guideline wins in this debate.

re:

http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Clarification_of_policy_disallowing_ageplay

"Ageplay" is fine; Sexual "ageplay" isn't.

Post to this forum are not legal documents of contract; hell, LL's ToS is not a competent contractual document.

If you want to discuss "ageplay" then write "ageplay"; if you want to discuss sexual "ageplay" then write sexual "ageplay".

Otherwise, how is anybody going to be able to argue whether those who "ageplay" are psychologically defective, with a fear of maturity, or whether they are simple escapist souls trying to return to a time in their life when they felt that they could almost cope.

Or perhaps Phil thinks that the distinction between "ageplay" and sexual "ageplay" is irrelevant, and is encouraging everybody to AR anyone with a kid avatar? I'm with him if that's the case.

January 24, 2015

Aethelwine wrote:

The TOS says:

(viii) Post, display or transmit any material, object or text that encourages, represents, or facilitates

sexual "age play,"

i.e., using child-like avatars in a sexualized manner.

Note:

"i.e.," - an abbreviation of id est (

“

it is

”

). That is; in other words; that is to say.

It is almost like the TOS is providing a specific definition of sexual "age play", for the purposes of the TOS and Linden Lab official speak.

Age Play in common english refers to a much wider group of legal activities, including Granny sex, middle aged men in diapers and non sexual roleplaying of different ages to yourself.

The clarification on age play the TOS refers you to starts off:

"This article addresses questions regarding Linden Lab's policy regarding sexual "ageplay" (depictions of, or engagement in, sexualized conduct with avatars that resemble children). This practice is disallowed by the Community Standards due to complaints from Residents and international laws, so it's important to understand the definitions."

and concludes:

"If you are in doubt as to whether an activity may be interpreted as ageplay, we request you err on the side of caution and desist."

By my reading of that in particular the use of the words "so it's important to understand the definitions" I think it is clear Linden Labs are legally defining

sexual "Age play"

to specifically mean the small subset of general understandings of the term just with that involving sexual encounters with minors.

FIFY!

Aethelwine wrote:

They switch between "ageplay" and "age play" too

Which reinforces my opinion of LL as legally incompetent.

January 24, 2015

Phil Deakins wrote:

LlazarusLlong wrote:

Phil Deakins wrote:

Here in SL, 'age-play' refers to sexual age-play

No it doesn't.

It most certainly does.

It most certainly doesn't.

Phil Deakins wrote:

and is understood as such.

No it isn't.

It most certainly is.

It most certainly isn't.

You need to take notice of what is, and not what you think it should be.

You need to take notice of what is, and not what you think it should be.

January 24, 2015

Bobbie Faulds wrote:

age play has evolved to mean sex play

Only among the ignorant and lazy.

January 24, 2015

It looks like a tehrat more to me.

January 23, 2015

Phil Deakins wrote:

Here in SL, 'age-play' refers to sexual age-play

No it doesn't.

Phil Deakins wrote:

and is understood as such.

No it isn't.

Phil Deakins wrote:

That's the language here.

I agree that lots of people have problems in actually converting their "thoughts" into coherent prose. Your own recent post in another thread demonstrates a couple of egregious errors in support of my contention.

Or perhaps the imprecise and confused language used simply demonstrates the inadequacy of the underlying cranial processes.

January 23, 2015

KarenMichelle Lane wrote:

Age-play / Cos-play [of perceived younger anime/manga/game characters] are all

perfectly accepted

behaviours in this day and age.

No they are not. I don't accept them, which makes their acceptance imperfect at least. I said they were legal, contrasted with my opinion of them, which is that such behaviours are indicative of deep-seated psychological problems involving a rejection of responsibility and fear of mature interactions.

Although you could easily claim that Second Life is founded on such escapist principles, and the large majority of players are afflicted by such defective personalities, whether they use child avatars, or barbies, or vampires, or Goreans, or Dolcett aficionados or . . . need I continue?

January 23, 2015

Aethelwine wrote:

As to how secondlife has affected me. Well it is a big question

Unfortunately, it is not the question which was asked in the original article, and which has not been asked by the OP.

The question is how (the appearance of) your AVATAR has impacted your life.

Which is a pretty stupid question when you think about it for more than five seconds,

January 22, 2015

Bobbie Faulds wrote:

They are themselves in SL and want to look as much like themselves as they can. Except much taller, slimmer and considerably more attractive than in rl.

FIFY!

(It's a shame the game doesn't allow you to make yourself appear more intelligent, isn't it.)

January 22, 2015

Lisette Seranno wrote:

Who are you to judge how I live my second life?

I am someone on a discussion board where you have publicly and voluntarily put your second life up for criticism.

January 22, 2015

Are you in the Mill Valley Golf Clubhouse then? He tends to start his long weekends there.

January 22, 2015

Xiola Linden wrote: How has your Second Life avatar impacted your life?

Not at all. It's a cartoon. Homer Simpson has had more impact.

But then, his lines are written by a couple of dozen Harvard grads, which is a couple of dozen more than frequent these forums.

PS "An avatar wearing shorts, however, led people to assume that its maker was an outgoing person." RISIBLE!

January 22, 2015

KarenMichelle Lane wrote:

...I just can not be seen where

age-play

is being practiced...

...I explained to her yet again that we are a Moderate Family Region and that

age-play

as defined by both the TOS and the US Justice Department is not allowed here...

Is there some reason why posters here, both pro and anti, are unable to understand the difference between "age-play" which is perfectly legal, and "sexual age-play" which is not?

And I'll say nothing about the "teacher" using the wrong form of the verb; it merely confirms my experience and opinion of junior school teachers.

January 22, 2015

The value of the website secondlife.com is actually precisely zero, since it has no intrinsic value other than as the main web presence of Linden Lab.

The value of Linden Lab as a company is completely different from this, and although the revenues supposedly earned by the website (questionable, since access to Second Life itself is not via that website) would contribute towards the company's valuation, there are a considerable number of other factors to be taken into account, not least its indebtedness, charges over its assets, and questions relating to its going concern status in the medium term.

PS I am most amused by their attempts to quantify "unique visitors" . . .

January 21, 2015

Freya Mokusei wrote:

It's very hard to accuse a system itself as being faulty,

It's very easy - and justified - to accuse a system which allows access to guns to unbalanced individuals.

January 21, 2015

Lisette Seranno wrote:

I can go back to being "myself" in SL.

Why would anyone playing a game in which they could be anyone or anything they wanted to be, want to be themselves?

Your world, your lack of imagination?

January 21, 2015

Cantankerous is good!

Curmudgeonly is even better!!

Please accept my thanks, along with those of the Founding Fathers who got it so wrong that their descendents have had to make thirty-three (more or less) subsquent amendments - none of which mention anything to do with computers.

January 20, 2015

Syo Emerald wrote:

And those "gamer deaths" are not caused by gameing itself, but by sitting constantly for too long. Maybe in combination with dehydration and a bad health. On flights as short as six hours you are already asked to stand up and walk a bit at least once during the flight. Now imagine a non-stop 72 hour flight without standing up or changing your position.

The shocking part is, that he sat in a public place the whole time and nobody cared.

Right, that's like saying someone wasn't shot by a religious lunatic, he accidentally walked into the path of six or seven bullets.

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