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  1. Tari Landar wrote: Cornyflowerz wrote: Bobbie Faulds wrote: I've kind of come to the conclusion that the OP is being almost deliberately obtuse and I'm beginning to wonder about his RL age. The arguments he keeps making are the type you hear from a young person that is focused on on aspect and won't listen to anything else. Last time, IT'S NOT THE AVI APPEARANCE BUT THE AVI ACTIONS THAT GET YOU BANNED. Oh blah blah blah. Once again, yet again let me repeat myself so that you can understand. Had the person who got banned been ACTUALLY DOING something, I would have not even made a post. If they actually were RPing as a child, I wouldn't have made a post. If they were using a sex pose ball or dancing o na strip pole, I wouldn't have made a post. It's the fact of the matter that they were just STANDING in an adult sim, wearing a kemono, and were reported for "looking underage" by an angry user, and got banned. Do you understand why now it is about the appearance and not the action? The person claims they weren't banned for any action. The person claims they were banned for "looking too young in an adult sim." So YES, by that reason alone YES LL has banned for "appearance." I'm sorry, but you telling me i'm wrong isn't going to cut it. It happened. I met the person it happened to. I know other people who witnessed it. It HAPPENED. THAT'S why there's the scare. That's the reason i've changed my appearance to "look older" to please more and upset less. And don't bring out the whole "LL ALWAYS INVESTIGATES" blah blah blah because I've seen people here say they don't, so i'm willing to believe that they don't investigate sometimes. Stop flaunting your 7+ years seniority like it gives you any more credit than anyone else posting. FYI, I'm 24, so f off -.- Oh BS. Now, I've been pretty nice, and tyring to explain, along with everyone else this whole thread, but you insist you MUST be right, and everyone else..even those with far more experience(both in sl, AND with LL) MUST be wrong. It is the other way around buddy. You see, experience does a little something, it's actually pretty nifty so pay attention....it gives you knowledge. Not only does it give you knowledge, but the power of deduction as well. Your inexperience has also given you something though, so don't feel cheated, it has given you the power of deduction that most newer folks in sl have. The problem is, your power of deduction is limited, because you don't have some of the experience others have. This is not a bad thing, so do not fret, in time, you'll too gain the knowledge others have. You don't find it odd that you're the only one defending this person? If you look through the forums, that is not typical for something like this(a perceived wronfgul ban). It really isn't(again, something experience and wisdom will tell you). By now, if the ban were not warranted, others would come "to her rescue". But, nope, no one. That's extremely abnormal, even more abnormal than LL wrongfully banning someone for sexual ageplay. At this point, given experience, wisdom, and LL's track recrod...I'd almost say that's utterly impossible. Why on earth do you believe someone who is clearly lying to you-everyone else sees it, even someone she actually knows, who knows her well, lol. If anyone, you would think you'd believe someone who knows her. She's continuing to break the TOS, as we speak, by using an alt after being banned. A very, very clear violation. So why do you believe her when she says she "was doing nothing" and was "just standing there"? Why would you take the word of someone who has no qualms breaking the TOS whenever it suits her fancy, over people who do have the knowledge and experience needed to help guide folks with questions? I do not know. Of course, it's your choice to believe what you want. BUT.... ETA: Don't forget, she could have easily been in IM saying things she should not have been saying. She doesn't have to be physically doing something, to break the TOS when it comes to sexual ageplay. Even if she was standing there "doing nothing", you don't know what was in her IM box. LL does know, they have all IMs, local too, on record. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out if she was breaking TOS or not. One quick check int he records would have sufficed. You yourself said(go ahead, look through your posts) she is the ONLY kemono you know of to have "gotten banned"..So, my powerful deduction is telling me...despite there being sooooooooo many kemonos on the grid and only ONE person being banned...It's not the av.(therefore negating your title). Do you not think it reasonable if there were truly an issue merely with that av, and it's look, others would have been banned by now? I think that's a reasonable deduction, personally. The fact that it hasn't happened, should give you reason to pause, think, and figure out..Oh, perhaps the chick is lying to make herself sound better. It wouldn't be the first time, it wont be the last. All of that aside...even if she WAS just standing there, if she was even in proximity to sexual activities, she was breaking the TOS. So even merely "just standing there", but close enough to sexual activities, it is still breaking the TOS, and a bannable offense. Like it or not. Those are the rules. She didn't even have to be wearing that particular av, even just simply looking child-like and being in close proximity to sexual activities, is a bannable offense, according to our TOS. The bottom line is..LL gets final say. It's their world, not ours. They make the rules. We merely play in the playground. When we fail to follow the rules of the playground, we run the risk of getting in trouble. That could mean anything from detention to suspension and even expulsion. Again..we do not get to make up the rules, they are set in stone for us. Yes, in some cases, it may SEEM like LL does not investigate, at all, but that's not always accurate either. It could be a poor interpretation of a situation. Yes, in ONE case, in this whole thread(the ONLY case I have ever heard of in sl..and yes I will flaunt how long I've been here, because, well, again, with that experience comes wisdom and knowledge, which actually means something to most people) it seemed like LL did not investigate and that ONE person got their "friend" or "contact" to investigate and drop the ban. One case...since 2003. You don't find that odd? Just because something seems arbitrary, doesn't always mean it is.. Perhaps the banhammer was thrown down WHILE an investigation was already going on, and that person didn't realize it. Perhaps a mistake was made...perhaps not. We can't know. What I do know, and you can claim it not true all you want, you'd be wrong, is that LL does investigate sexual ageplay cases, because it involves RL laws. They are required to obey the laws of the US, and more specifically, California. Which means...zero tolerance policy. I kNOW they investigate, based on the experience and knowledge I have. I have seen it. You can believe what you want, but, you're likely the only person on the grid that actually believes her. It makes you extremely naive to do so too, because, clearly, she has no qualms breaking TOS as it suits her. If you want to trust someone who will gladly, willingly, break the TOS, by all means. But it makes you sound like a fool to do so. Alright. You make sense. At this point all we can do then is play it safe and wait to see if it becomes a trend is all.
  2. Bobbie Faulds wrote: I've kind of come to the conclusion that the OP is being almost deliberately obtuse and I'm beginning to wonder about his RL age. The arguments he keeps making are the type you hear from a young person that is focused on on aspect and won't listen to anything else. Last time, IT'S NOT THE AVI APPEARANCE BUT THE AVI ACTIONS THAT GET YOU BANNED. Oh blah blah blah. Once again, yet again let me repeat myself so that you can understand. Had the person who got banned been ACTUALLY DOING something, I would have not even made a post. If they actually were RPing as a child, I wouldn't have made a post. If they were using a sex pose ball or dancing o na strip pole, I wouldn't have made a post. It's the fact of the matter that they were just STANDING in an adult sim, wearing a kemono, and were reported for "looking underage" by an angry user, and got banned. Do you understand why now it is about the appearance and not the action? The person claims they weren't banned for any action. The person claims they were banned for "looking too young in an adult sim." So YES, by that reason alone YES LL has banned for "appearance." I'm sorry, but you telling me i'm wrong isn't going to cut it. It happened. I met the person it happened to. I know other people who witnessed it. It HAPPENED. THAT'S why there's the scare. That's the reason i've changed my appearance to "look older" to please more and upset less. And don't bring out the whole "LL ALWAYS INVESTIGATES" blah blah blah because I've seen people here say they don't, so i'm willing to believe that they don't investigate sometimes. Stop flaunting your 7+ years seniority like it gives you any more credit than anyone else posting. FYI, I'm 24, so f off -.-
  3. Perrie Juran wrote: It has nothing to do with assumptions here. It has everything to do with the TOS (and for some people the laws in their countries). If you have a child like Ava in a club where sex is going on you are in violation of the TOS. No one is going to AR you just for being a Kemono. Well.. i hate to admit it but all of this sitrred up because some random kemono wearer got banned for standing in an adult sim. As far as we all know, it was a kemono avatar no more or less childish than any others we've seen. No one is wearing "child avatars" here, just the kemono. The user has stated she wasn't doing any ageplay, she was called out on "looking too chldish" by an angry user, and reported her to LL, who instant banned her essentially. This is the only case i've heard of this so far, but it has cetainly started a scare amongst kemono users. As far as I know, i'm the only whose brought it to the forums, but people know about it. The user who was banned even contacted me in game on an alt and told me her story. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt because her avatar seriously looked no different than any other kemono i've seen. I've posted pictures here, and most say that they did indeed looked childish. The bother is that others disagree (myself included), and now we have a user (or more, for all we know) that got banned for just standing there in a kemono. So until i see the proof that LL found evidence of ageplay or whatever through IMs or actions, I'm going to believe she was just standing there, and an angry user came up to her, didn't like the kemono, and got her banned for suspected ageplay. With that in mind, YES actually ,I am quite worried about the possibilities of being banned by just "wearing the kemono." because that's exactly what's happened here.
  4. If you don't want to get banned by a sim owner or reported, then why do you do everything to provoke it? What do you want on a sex sim, looking like a boy below the age of 12? What the h are you talking about? I changed my avatar since then. Everyone agreed it looks much less childlike. This isn't about ME anymore. This is about kemono users in general. The fact of the matter is this. THIS is an adult avatar - https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Monotone-Kemono-Halflings-For-Utilizator-Kemono-Avatar-and-M3-Head/6086762 People wear these, every day. In adult sims, doing adult things. According to people like you and others, these avatars are too childlike, and the users need to be banned. Others disagree, and argue they aren't "childlike" theyre just "anime." As you see, the community is at a disagreement. I personally never looked at a kemono user and thought "child" but that's just me personally. Others disagree. What happens when a person like you walks into an adult sim and sees an average kemono user? You report them and put them at risk of getting banned, just because YOU think they might look childlike. This puts nearly every default kemono wearer at risk. As much as I don't like looking taller and more muscular, at least I'm no longer at risk. But the thing is, so many people still are. You never know when that angry disagreeing user will come along and start swinging accusations around.
  5. Nope, it's people who choose to use these childlike avatars in sexual situations who risk getting reported for sexual ageplay. What I don't think people in this forum are understanding is that kemonos EVERYWHERE that "look childish" or similar to my previous avatar, ARE being used in various adult sims, and seem to be accepted. That's what I'm talking about. This doesn't have anything to do with "oh you must be sick, blah blah blah." It has nothing to do with "what I like" or "what I'm attracted to" so why the hell do people keep bringing that up? This isn't a forum about me complaining that I can't wear a child avatar in an adult sim. This is not about that, stop making it about that. People wear kemonos, everyday, everywhere. It's the inconsistancies as to who gets banned and who doesn't that is upsetting me. It's the fact that some kemonos (who all look the same) get banned while others are left to walk freely. Either ban all or ban none is what I say. https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/SN-Kemono-Boy-Shirt-**bleep**ing-Princess-TEXTURES/6183516 This is your average kemono. Obviously dressed in an adult way. Does this look childish to you? Would you ban this user from SL for ageplay? This person looks identical to the person who got banned and everyone seems to accept people like this every day. https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/POMF-Innocent-Skin-Kemono-Mod/6158419 A mod for the kemono. Notice the "youthful features" in the display picture. This is a common appearance. These avatars are everywhere, and the majority of them are left alone by people. It's the fact that an angry user can appraoch a kemono wearer and get them instant-banned for ageplay because he or she doesn't like their avatar. That's what's got me upset.
  6. Syo Emerald wrote: it already give me a chill down the spine to imagine that you are sexually attracted to the scenario of engageing into sexual activities with an avatar that looks like a child Boy that was a pretty bold assumption. It's people like you that most likely accuse and report kemono wearers for ageplay. It's a good thing since then i've edited my avatar to appear less childlike, but still. It's people like you that kemono users should feel at risk of getting banned. Assumptions and accusations, right here.
  7. I'm not really here to try and defend the person banned. That's their problem. I just don't wanna get banned for the same thing. Thing is, even though lots of people say "it's the actions" the thing is, you walk into ANY furry club you will see nude Kemonos dancing, stripping, having sex etc. It happens all the time. Are they child avatars? No. Do they look childish to some? Yes, to some. As it was stated before, sim owners will put a stop to anything they don't like. If they don't wanna see flat chested kemonos having sex, they can make that their own rule. I know all this. I also know that we don't know what was going on in IMs between the person getting banned and another. For all we know, they could have been ageplaying up the ying yang in IMs. We don't know, I understand this. What makes me feel uncomfortable is the fact that kemono avatars seem to be at risk of being accused. How are we so sure that LL didn't shoot-first and ask-never? How are we SO sure? What IF the person was banned for simply appearing underage to one user (in an adult sim)? Yes, these things make me feel uneasy. You never know if this person might walk into a furry club and get someone else banned. For all we know, this could have been a mistake on LL's part. All i'm saying is I'd hate to see it as a trend. I'm thus moved away from wearing my shorter thinner avatar (in adult sims( in fear that I too will be accused of playing an underaged character. At this point it's not a problem. Kemonos aren't getting banned left and right yet. It's happened only once, that's why it's a scare because we don't know when the next strike will be, or who it will be against. Until then i suggest to all to do whatever you can to not make your character look too young, as that one angry user might just show up at your favorite adult hangout.
  8. As has been said before, LL does not bann for just looking like a child (someone under 18) they ban for actions. Child avs, even toddlers are allowed in ADULT sims. They just can't performs adult acts. The fear extends from the fact that I go to adult sims. I see other kemonos there all the time that look just like all the pictures that have been posted. Yes, some give the kemono big boobs, some make them taller or whatever, but at the end of the day, they all look "childish" in some eyes, and not in others. While it is up to the sim owner as to "how childish" they'll allow... the issue all extends from LL banning a user with a kemono who was standing in an adult sim. The sim owner never got involved, just the angry user, and the person banned. Whose to say that you or I sporting our default kemono avatars won't also get banned, or reported? It's one thing to obey sim rules, and if Futa Lab or whatever didn't like her avatar? Then fine, kick her out. Sim owner calls the shots. But this isn't about sim owners. This is about someone with a kemono standing in an adult sim and getting banned from ALL OF SL. Some might find her avatar childish, some might not. I've had people on this forum say yes and say no to looking childish, so I'm not convinced either way... but the thing is, the angry user who reported the banned kemono wearer was just another neigh sayer. A person who didn't agree about the way she looked, and reported them. Had I been in her spot that very day wearing my human skinned kemono, I could have gotten banned too.
  9. If your Ava is "childlike" just don't go to places that cater to sexual activity. That's simple enough. It's not enough. There are hundreds of people in adult sims EVERY DAY with Kemono avatars, both human skinned and furry. It is THE most common furry avatar right now in adult sims. These adult users are in no way different proportionally from my "childish" character. If some are deemed fit, why not all? Obviously some are being banned while others are being accused. All I'm aking for is consistancy. If the Kemono is indeed "underage looking" at a certain point, then what IS that point? What is the height, the skin, the appearance sliders settings where we draw the line? We saw the person who got banned, we saw my avatar. They had no physical differences than any other Kemono avatar we've seen in adult clubs. So, why are they singled out as "childlike" while others are free to roam?
  10. Some pictures of me in a "childish" avatar standing next to regular everday Kemono and anime users. http://gyazo.com/372037fb58494ee78313204fcf10a013 http://gyazo.com/98d3b7b24bf902d0c6322973a6831331 http://gyazo.com/32225ceda03588eec9dc67d9c87a3a5f http://gyazo.com/213e4c8f550af21435b8d23d684ec02a http://gyazo.com/ac736220b10d48e62ffd9cd3cb45a132 This is the common height/proportions for 90% of all anime avatars and Kemonos. I'm absolutely positive now that it's all in the eye of the beholder. None of these avatars look different than mine, or the person's who got banned. It is a standard universal appearance that does not condone any ageplay whatsoever. Just the fact that any one of these people can get accused of it and banned the next day is ludicrous. None of these avatars are childlike. They're anime. You can't expect to see a tiny anime head on a big braod human body. None of these people are playing underaged characters.
  11. Aeromia wrote: I have the same avatar, I've had the m3 head for almost 2 years and combining it with different styles and avatars to no end to create different characters. I've never, ever been banned from a sim or even accused of looking childlike with that head even with her running around with a lollipop in her mouth on several occasions. It seems that the M3 head alone is not childlike, and the kemono alone isn't either. It's combining the two. The person who got banned had an M3 anime head on top of a kemono with human skin. My avatar is also a kemono body with human skin. The only mods I had for the kemono body were the flast chest. People keep bringing up "proportions proportions" but seem to lack any understanding of how the Kemono (an adult avatar) looks by default. My avatar in the original post made very few changes to the default Kemono structure. (Boy chest mod, 5 inches shorter). It seems to be not just 1 factor that makes other people assume i'm childish... it's the combination of things. Had I stuck with a furry head instead of M3, then i'm not childlike anymore. Had I used a different body with the M3 anime head, not childish anymore. At the end of the day it's all in the eyes of a viewer. I've actually been asked by security at a sim to not wear my kemono human mod at an adult sim. ASKED, and i switched out of it. The thing is, this person who got banned? Seemed to have been approached by an angry user and was reported directly to LL, and was banned the next morning. That could have been me, had I not started this thread. I could have been standing there all willy nilly in what half of you think is a "childish" avatar, and some angry user could have come up and reported me, and BAM gone. Truthfully the best we can do is play it safe, and try to please as many as possible. I do fear however other Kemono users who might get accused of such things. The Kemono is a great avatar, and a lot of people wear it. I certainly hope we don't see a trend in Kemonos getting banned for mistaken ageplay.
  12. I'm not really concerned with justifying the person who got banned in all honesty. I just want to prevent MYSELF from being banned.
  13. The person who got banned ended up seeing my thread here and contacted me. She showed me a picture of what her avatar looked like at the time she got banned. http://gyazo.com/878880e89859bb1b9f79e3cda9b09c0f She said since then however, she added larger breasts to avoid the ban, but it happened regardless. (The Kemono has small breasts by default). So, the default kemono shape with human skin is now "ageplaying" according to LL? This is ridiculous. Still, I'm glad I changed my avatar to appear less "childlike." The person who got banned also told me the entire story. Essentially she was in a Futa sim (dickgirl) and was standing talking to her friend, when an angry user decided he didn't like her avatar and reported her to LL for ageplay, thus leading to her banning. If LL is the type to shoot-first-ask-never then I see how an angry troll could get any Kemono user banned for ageplay. This is a very serious issue as Kemonos are a very popular avatar.
  14. Making the kemono look less childlike for males. After adding a couple mods and really messing with the sliders a lot (including body thickness 100!) i have managed to make the kemono look like this... http://i.gyazo.com/8edf2fb651830b088062a850830bceb9.png Looks far less childlike. But still, I can't help but feel like so much of the issue comes from the M3 anime head. It's disheartening to know that i might be judged by wearing a head that isn't intended for child avatars. Some males like to appear genderless or androgynous, but might run into "age" issues if wanting to go to adult sims...
  15. Coby Foden wrote: Monti Messmer wrote: You cannot use your real size simply because the starter Avatars are all giants and no one bothered the first few days. Rubbish. Of course we can use any size of avatars, small, real life size or giant. The size of an avatar does not define is it a child avatar or an adult avatar. Some people just are paranoid about age play and they have chosen that height is one major factor how they determine is an avatar a child or an adult. Most likely they have not read the TOS properly; or if they have, they have not understood what the TOS says about age play. So they want to play "safe" (in their misconceived thinking) and set some arbitrary height limit to determine age. Which is totally silly thing to do. As we can see from these real life photos: There are very tall and very small people above. However, none of them looks like a child, everybody can clearly see that every single one is definitely an adult. So the size of person (alone) does not define person's age in real life. It's the general looks - does it look like child or does it look like an adult. The same naturally applies to Second Life. • If the avatar looks and acts like a child, it is child avatar • If the avatar looks and acts like an adult, it is adult avatar Even though there are lots giant avatars in SL, it does not mean that small avatars automatically should be classified as child avatars. The defining factors are the general looks and behaviour of an avatar, not the size. Tell me in your honest opinion if making my avatar taller, and making the shoulderspan wider has "aged" in in any way. http://i.gyazo.com/94ce2c15d52ac3399bf2946530ac23d1.png http://gyazo.com/bc4da2b55783565f6d7c3eeef82e8ea2 To me, it hasn't really. It seems to be a combination of all things. For one, mainly the anime head appears youthful and boyish. or feminine. Due to this, people are assuming younger or "underage." The fact of the matter is that the M3 anime head is not a child head, and many male anime characters walk around using it everday. It' seems to be onyl when it's used on a shorter MALE avatar that people start saying it looks "childlike." I think it's a matter of the combination of things. The anime head alone, not childish. Kemono body alone, not childish. Short height alone, again not childish... but combine them all together and BAM, you are now childish. I suppose all I can do as a short male IS "play it safe" and not wear my kemono body or anime head. I don't want people to think I look childlike.
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