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amanda Carousel wrote: Hi, I am not the creator of the games I have on my sim, I rent a sim that has these games on them, I am not sure if that makes me the operator sorry am a little confused on this stuff. Do need to fill out an application just because I have the games on my sim? Also am hearing a lot of rumors such as child avis are not going to be allowed on these sims? Is this true or not. Thank you Totally confused lol amanda, I am going to try and break my response into two parts for the two different questions you have. I am going based on what is stated in the policy, faq and wiki Linden has issued so far. Your sim with games - If you did not rez these games there and they are pay-to-play (pay L in and it pays L out) and someone else did, then that other person needs to apply for an operator's license and either the games have to be moved to a Gaming Region or the current sim it is on converted to a Gaming Region. If you did rez them in addition to being the renter of the sim, then you need to apply for an operator's license and also subjected to the Gaming Region conversion or would have to move them off to one that is. This is also assuming that the games that are rezzed there have been approved by Linden and the creator also has been approved for a creator's license. The child avatars - If they don't meet the Gaming Residents requirements as stated in the policy they won't be allowed into any Gaming Region. In general, it doesn't matter if they are Santa Claus or a goat avatar if they don't pass the requirements Linden has set then they won't be allowed in. Here's the definition of Gaming Resident as posted in their policy: "Gaming Residents Should you wish to participate in Skill Gaming in Second Life, you represent and agree that you: (i) are at least nineteen (19) years of age; (ii) have the legal authority to agree to this Skill Gaming Policy; (iii) reside in, and are accessing a Skill Gaming Region from, a jurisdiction in which participation in Skill Gaming is legally authorized; and (iv) are of legal age to participate in Skill Gaming in your jurisdiction. In order to enter a Skill Gaming Region, you must establish and maintain a Second Life account with accurate, current and complete information about yourself, including a valid payment method. Any Skill Gaming conducted in a Second Life region that has not been recognized as a Skill Gaming Region is not permitted. If you fail to satisfy any of these requirements, you are not permitted to enter any Skill Gaming Regions."

Frankie Antonioni wrote: Ok, I'm not sure if this has been asked. I didn't read every page. What if somebody builds a skill gaming machine, that does not accept payment in L$, and doesn't pay out in L$, but instead took payment in Bitcoin, and paid out in Bitcoin? Would that be allowed? It uses no L$. No gaming place would have any machines that sold Bitcoins, or took payment in Bitcoins. No it most likely wouldn't be allowed since you have already confirmed it to be a skill game and therefore would have to go through the formal applying and approval process with Linden, which mostly likely would get disapproved per the compliance standards they expect.

Innula Zenovka wrote: Tarina Sewell wrote: I know I cant participate because of where I live. So, how do they regulate it? I can unless I am caught? Isn't that why they want Payment Info On File? They know to charge me VAT because they know where my billing address is. There's a lot more than just that.... Per the Skill Gaming FAQ: "If you are in a permitted jurisdiction for this activity, you may not meet its requirements. Whenever you attempt to access a Skill Gaming Region, we check certain pieces of your account information against the requirements of our policy, including your billing address, age, and the location from which you are logging into Second Life. If this information is not available or does not satisfy the requirements, you will not be able to access the region."

Gavin Hird wrote: Innula Zenovka wrote: Gavin Hird wrote: Question to Linden Lab: The impression I get from reading the updated FAQ is that creators and operators will be registered in some public register, and that there is a quarterly fee associated with being listed there in addition to the original listing process. If this impression correct, and if yes, exactly what is the registry (name, url...)? Maybe they mean Linden Lab Official Second Life Skill Gaming Approved Participants. Maybe, but then I don't quite get the need for legal affidavits unless there is a very strong need for some cover my ass documentation that will keep LL in the clear if a violation of law is found. Particularly to the FAQ requirements of: A reasoned legal opinion from a credible attorney in good standing, which describes in detail the operation and legality of the games of skill you are submitting for approval; A sworn affidavit or declaration that 1) certifies the facts set forth in the application and legal opinion; and 2) attests compliance with Linden Lab’s requirements. I am sure legal affidavits to Linden is confirmation that you are fully aware of what was written in the application and what your attorney has written. My guess is they want this so that you, as operator or creator, or both, assume full liability should you be faced with a legal challenge and/or end up in court.

Gavin Hird wrote: Question to Linden Lab: The impression I get from reading the updated FAQ is that creators and operators will be registered in some public register, and that there is a quarterly fee associated with being listed there in addition to the original listing process. If this impression correct, and if yes, exactly what is the registry (name, url...)? From what I read on the FAQ page and elsewhere on their official pages it's a "license fee" for the creators and operators to continue having a valid license to carry on their business. No different than a monthly membership fee or driver license renewal fee everyone pays in RL The registry I would think is just a listing to make it transparent to SL users of who and what is legit and not.

Sassy Romano wrote: Thanks there are answers to some of the questions that have come up but again:- "What if the creator is also the operator" what applications have to be made, double fees? and how many affidavit's will be needed (same one or a different one per application)? Linden would still need to answer this officially, but from seeing the application form given you can select either a creator license or operator license or both on the same form, if you wanted to get both you could apply using just one form which would mean one fee and one set of supporting documents to go with the application.

Innula Zenovka wrote: daisybloomer wrote: Innula Zenovka wrote: Linden Lab wrote: Hi Drake, Games of chance are and have been prohibited by the Wagering Policy. If you encounter what you believe are such objects, you can file an abuse report if it's an inworld object or flag an item on the Marketplace via the exisiting flagging system there. Thank you, Thank you for that clarification. Which of the categories in the existing Marketplace flagging system (shown in the picture below) should we use to flag games of chance? At first glance, none of them seem particularly appropriate. I'd say the first one on the list "Item Not As Advertised." I'm really not so sure. I mean, the item is, presumably, as advertised -- it does what it says. The only problem is that it's not compliant with ToS. It's a long-standing issue with the Marketplace -- how do you flag items that are apparently in breach of ToS? The best advice I've had (from a Linden) is to go to the Inworld shop and AR the items from there, but that's not a lot of use if there's no Inworld shop. Well I thought the option of "Item Not As Advertised" worked the best as I assumed it did not say in the listing it was TOS compliant, hence not advertised correctly.

Gavin Hird wrote: Direct question to daisybloomer: Are you a Linden person using an alt account answering these question that are CLEARELY not addressed to you? If that is the case, you need to tell us, otherwise I'll have to issue a Shill Alert Warning for your account that in 6 posts have gone from "new resident" to "recognized resident"? Gavin, I am not sure what issue you have with me contributing to this thread. I am not associated with Linden, and basing my answers using common sense, logic, and most importantly exactly what is written in the new gaming policy, wiki, and faq pages they have out. I have read the material a dozen times and using it as the black and white guideline to help answer some of the questions here. Not sure why you are trying to make this personal and threaten me, instead of productively talking about the topic.

AnKayla wrote: To be a skilled games region owner I would have to become an operator? From reading the policy carefully, if you are just owning the land and not going to be the one to rez and profit/get paid/maintain from those machines then you would not fall under the "Operator" definition, hence no license needed.

Romina Heron wrote: a simple question for a clear answer: no devil...zyngo...what about these games? allowed or prohibited? Romina, if you have to right-click it and pay to play then I would think it falls under the "Skill Game" definition in the new policy, hence would be prohibited if you are not licensed with Linden after August 1. The only exception I can see to that would be if it was a non-paying into version of those games.

Innula Zenovka wrote: Linden Lab wrote: Hi Drake, Games of chance are and have been prohibited by the Wagering Policy. If you encounter what you believe are such objects, you can file an abuse report if it's an inworld object or flag an item on the Marketplace via the exisiting flagging system there. Thank you, Thank you for that clarification. Which of the categories in the existing Marketplace flagging system (shown in the picture below) should we use to flag games of chance? At first glance, none of them seem particularly appropriate. I'd say the first one on the list "Item Not As Advertised."

Gavin Hird wrote: What the OP needs to do (or can do) is to edit the first post with all the questions they have noted, with a status (answered, unanswered) and the anwer with the question in pairs. I don't care if they have to go back to legal – even if it takes to August 1, but they need to have very clear answers and have thought the issues through. And what questions would that be? I've read through all the information they have posted on it and it seems clear cut and answers all the questions here. The only issue I can see is the semi-short timeframe in which to implement this. I would say with everyone's busy schedule (residents here, attorneys, etc.) 1 month time would be much more reasonable.

Gavin Hird wrote: daisybloomer wrote: Going exactly based on what LL's new Second Life Skill Gaming Policy says you would fall under as an "Operator" since you are collecting money from it and your game would classify as a "Skill Game" since people are having to pay-to-play. That means you will have to apply to be an operator and move to a Skill Gaming Region if you wished to continue what you are doing now. Again mr/ms new resident with one post, you need to let Linden lab answer these policy questions. In general it is important that people who are not policy makers (Linden Lab) make their statements as opinions of how the policy may be understood – and your opinion may actually be 100% correct. But it is still only an opinion. Not to muddle the discussion, please let Linden Lab make direct answers to questions asked to them. Thanks again! ;-) Gavin, it's fair to ask for a response from them to all these questions and I would like to hear what they have to say too, but you know as well as I do (if you have read the remainder of these posts in this thread) that they go straight to the Skill Gaming Policy and quote and re-quote that. My guess? Most likely because that may be what they can go as far as doing maybe on the suggestion of their legal counsel. I suppose we shall see.

Marishka Ixito wrote: 6. Theoretically, you're not the "operator" when the physical games aren't yours so you wouldn't need the "operator license", however, when buying/renting a parcel on someone elses gaming sim, you should consider several other factors: a. The whole "profit sharing" may not work under the new rules because of restrictions on payments that operator accounts can make; ... kind regards, Marishka If I am reading the policy right, she still is considered an "Operator." She is collecting money from those machines whether in part or whole, hence part of the whole operating activity with them. An example in RL would be like a business where they may lease all their equipment to operate daily. They may not be the creator, owner or servicer of them but still using or operating them to run their business.

AnKayla wrote: Not too good with these threads but can someone help with this question? I have to pay tier and am not sure if profit share can still be here? I don't want to lose linden I have games from a profit share avatar on my land. Will this still be legal? I am not responsible for it but can they still do the profit share for me? Will I lose their business now ? Going exactly based on what LL's new Second Life Skill Gaming Policy says you would fall under as an "Operator" since you are collecting money from it and your game would classify as a "Skill Game" since people are having to pay-to-play. That means you will have to apply to be an operator and move to a Skill Gaming Region if you wished to continue what you are doing now.