CleoSertorii

This is my place. I've had it for a bit over a year. I'm still finishing up the landscaping since I had to reorganize it when I recently changed the house. It is simple, but it is in a good area and I really enjoy it.

I am in a mermaid group and own a couple of boats, so I spend a lot of time out on (or under) the Blake Sea. I also rent an island off of Blakes, and that is where I hang out when I want to relax. I go shopping (probably way too often), spend time at some of the beaches, and go to my favorite clubs (Fogbound and The River). I also spend time at both Social Island 1 and Degrand infohub, because most of my inworld friends hang out at those places.

My largest SL expense is the 6,000$L per month that i spend on my rented island, but i dont regret that at all because it is in such a nice, quiet little corner of the Blake Sea. The most expensive single item i bought was 3,000$L for my 38 foot Scarab powerboat, which has been the most fun i've had in SL since i started There have been a few hairstyles and outfits that I have regretted buying, but only because because they ended up looking far worse than i expected them to be.

About a month ago, someone created an alt, and then created a defamatory group aimed and me and a group of my friends, who are all listed by name in the group description. LL's CS clearly states that defamation falls under the category of intolerance, and it seems to be a pretty serious thing for them. Anyway, I have AR'ed this group over 10 times since it was created, and so have other people who are involved, yet LL has yet to act on it. If LL refuses to act on an AR, do i have any other options for getting this group deleted? edit: I need to clarify something...this group i have mentioned was created by an alt account which shares the same start date as the group itself. The first 30+ "members" in the group also all had the exact same creation date, which tells me this person went through alot of trouble to create enough alts to populate his group and make it look legitimate.

The best sailboats i have seen in SL are made by The Mesh Shop (Bandit). Their inworld store is at Dutch Harbor, a couple of sims north and west of the Hollywood Airport in the Blake Sea. They have demos of every boat they have ever made available to try out. You also might try talking to some of the people at Tradewinds Yacht Club. They should have all of the information you want about good quality, realistic sailboats. Bandit boats use SL wind, but i believe you can also set your own wind direction. Either way, they are true sailboats, not just driveable vehicles. The amount of detail that goes into them is incredible, and they usually have plenty of animations built in, that dont use poseballs. Both The Mesh Shop, and Bandit boats can be found on the marketplace. They have seperate page listings even though they are technically the same company. Some other boat builders to look at are Motor Loon and Trudeau.

That is the nonsense I was referring to specifically. While you scoff at the way some of your posts are treated by some of the forum members here, you fail to appreciate that we were once as inexperienced in forum protocol as you and others are, but seem to be hellbent on remaining, however our styles evolved through observation of other's postings. Rather than indulging in ego-centric obstinance, defiance and hyper-emotional hysterionics you might do well to heed some of the advice and modify your forum conduct such that you will earn the respect of the more experienced posters here. Frankly, I do not think you really comprehend what 'we' see. And, just because something is your opinion that reflects what you think does not mean it can not be nonsense. If your logic is invalid, your assumptions incorrect, perceptions skewed then the ensuing opinion, the product of your thoughts, is quite probably nonsense. Deal with it. Lasty, as I suggested in your thread, just post your question, that is well under 100 characters, and leave out the rest of the drama. Im sorry to rain on your parade, derek, but I'm not a conformist, and I have no interest in "earning" your respect. If i have to change to your point of view to be respected, then i would rather be an outcast. Enjoy the view from your pedestal

Derek Torvalar wrote: CleoSertorii wrote: My very first reply was from Derek, who didnt actually say anything, but posted a screenshot of the "answers" section of the forum, which just happens to be the place i have already looked when doing my homework. But you didn't ask your question there did you? And why is that? Because you didn't want to. That other stuff is all nonsense. The Answers section is populated with some of the oldest most experienced residents of SL just waiting for a question. There is nothing wrong with a little order and structure. It makes things, like Answers, easier to find if they are all in the same place and easily accessible, rather than strewn all over a forum site with 20 odd categories. replies like this are what lead me to believe that some of you act as though you think you are the forum elite, and that almost everyone else is inferior to you if they dont do or say things in a way that reflects your own viewpoint. Basically stated...who in the hell died and made you god? It seems as though anyone who participates in this forum, but doesnt do it in exactly the way you (or LL, or Dres, or...) approve of, then somehow they are stupid, or immature, or lazy, or unthinking, or "fill in the blank with some derogatory term". The fact that you people cant see it makes it even worse. My opinion is not nonsense. It is how i think. Because it is different than yours, does that make you right and me wrong? I dont think so. Maybe posting in the answers section will help, maybe it wont, but it is MY decision on which one to post in, not yours. If you dont like it, then dont read it. true, a little order and stucture is fine, but being **bleep** about what forum is appropriate isnt your concern. The moderators will handle that, and if they wish to move my thread, then thats fine with me. You and LL aren't the forum police, so stop acting like it. Also, are you aware that when searching for something, the forum lists results in ALL subsections, so even if things are scattered, it isnt any harder to find. Oh, and here is a little twist i'll bet you didnt know about...the answers section has a character limit (not even enough to type a full sentence) that prevents me from asking my entire question, so please tell me just how helpful that will be?

I would like to offer my opinion here, since i have been the recipient of some of LL's scorn on this exact subject. As you can tell by my post count, i don't post often in here, rather i tend to just read threads to find what information i am after. Recently i had a question regarding sending an abuse report when there wasnt any obvious and straightforward way to do it. I "did my homework" by searching existing threads on the subject, both here and even over at SLUniverse, but was unable to find a satisfactory answer. I made a deliberate decision to post my question in the GD section in the hopes that i migh thave a better chance at getting an answer. As someone already pointed out, GD has far more traffic and what appears to be long-term residents who might have dealt with this issue before. Lazyness or ignorance had nothing to do with it. My very first reply was from Derek, who didnt actually say anything, but posted a screenshot of the "answers" section of the forum, which just happens to be the place i have already looked when doing my homework. I admit, my reply was a little sarcastic, but i think it was appropriate based on my previous experience with Derek. My response was "thanks, derek...why didnt i think of that? ", to which LL replied "because you didn't think?". I honestly wonder if this thread wasn't motivated by what he said to me. So, did i post in an appropriate forum? Yes, i believe I did. Was LL's response to me trollish and unnecessary? Yes, i believe it was. It certainly wasnt helpful at all, and it felt very condescending. LL (and others) have suggested that I get to know the players. Well, i havent done that deliberately, but i have come across many posts made by LL where it seemed obvious thay we was just there to make some dumb**s comment and not contrubute anything useful at all. Based on LL's replies in here, it also seems to me that his "question" isn't even genuine curiosity, but rather just another opportunity for him to put down people who he thinks are inferior (ie. have a different viewpoint). So, my final answer to LL's question "Do YOU think I am being unreasonable in asking that the forums should be used in an effective manner?"...yes, Llazaarus, i think you are being VERY unreasonable, because it is an information and discussion forum for a virtual world populated by ALL different kinds of people. It is not a government agency or NASA, where organization and accuracy are important. If you wish to create the perfect forum environment, maybe you should look into creating your own and limit who can join, that way the rest of us peasants can't ruin your perfect little forum structure.

I can also highly recommend a movelock as your best defense, short of just TP'ing to another sim. I spend a lot of time at one of the welcome areas and the amount of pushing/bumping done by greiefers and trolls about equals what i get from newbies who havent mastered their walk controls yet. It is a scripts disabled area, so many attack huds dont even work. In my case, i use a movelock with a passive bump back feature that i can turn on and off with one click. I only use it with especially annoying pushers who are obviously doing it on purpose. Random bumps from newbs are expected and tolerated, but when someone is intentionally pushing, they get a bump back, and an AR. Some of my friends have encouraged me to buy an attack hud to fight back, but to my mind, that would be lowering myself to a griefer's standards. I prefer the passive defense methods.

i went home to my island, set the sun to midnight, sat in the chair by my campfire, and listened to the surf

yes, i have tried that, but those settings cannot change the spacing between the brows, and that is the most important part of what i am tryting to find. I know it is subtle, but it makes a difference.

Derek Torvalar wrote: That would be both a polite and considerate thing to do, don't you think? You just might make some good friends of the people here. I am sure it would not take hours and hours, and it need not be done on every single post you make. However, if you are going to insinuate yourself into the middle of a discussion I think it is prudent and wise to know just who you are getting involved with as well as to be damn sure you are aware of the subject under discussion. Remember, we are having a discussion in the General Discussion area. But then you weren't here for the real battles of a number of years ago, unless by another name. By all means, you do as you please, but understand how you present to others will determine how you are treated. We like to be entertaining but are not here for your ego-centric entertainment. for the record, i didnt "insinuate" myself into any discussion in this thread...you commented on MY post first, not the other way around, and there was no "debate" going on at the time. I was VERY aware of the subject, which was wall decorations in SL homes, so no need to preach to me. Please dont forget that YOU were the one who started this entire thing by basically ordering my to remove my photo, even if you meant it as some kind of a joke. I dont come in here to entertain anyone, or to be entertained. I use this forum for information, not as an accessory to my social life.

Derek Torvalar wrote: Thank you for making my point for me. I posted the pic in the hope of mollifying you as you seemed to have needed a pic rather desperately. It is usually a good practise (watching McMasters?) to familiarize yourself with the players before wading into the fray. For instance, Caitlin and I have been good friends for 5 years and if she had a problem with my posting to the thread in the manner I have she would have told me to back off. And out of repsect for her I would have. But then Caity knows what I am referring to as she has read a number of the threads posted in the last week that refer to the issues here. You can also look at my posting history, as I have done with you, to get an idea about my style and concerns. my god, are you for real? are you honestly suggesting that before i post anything in any thread anywhere in this forum, that i take hours of my time searching out the "regulars" and read their posts just to get to know what kind of people they are? Its not a freaking battle (or it doesnt have to be)., and i dont see why cerain people have to make it into one. Do i keep having to remind everyone that this was supposed to be a wall decoration showcase thread, not some sort of legal debate? I just wanted to participate and show what ive been working on at home, not get into arguments with a bunch of strangers.

LlazarusLlong wrote: CleoSertorii wrote: the photo doesnt violate any of SL's rules. Isn't it invading the privacy of Cariba Heine, Claire Holt and Phoebe Tonkin? Or is it OK because you haven't given their names, or the names of the avatars they use in SL? fine, should i just pull the damn photo if it will make all of you happy? They are public figures and their identities are well known by anyone who takes the time to look.

LlazarusLlong wrote: The clue is in this forum's name . . . well i guess some people just enjoy creating drama in places where it doesnt need to be

It seems to me, from past experience, that accusations of trolling are your go-to thing. ...Dres they only are when it seems to me that is what is happening...and since you are the only other person in the entire forum that i have ever accused of being a troll, then i think you are sort of overgeneralizing a bit.

Dresden Ceriano wrote: CleoSertorii wrote: Derek Torvalar wrote: Derek did make a point. I don't necessarily agree with his point, but I absolutely support his right to make it. I also support your right to insinuate that he's a troll, even though it exposes you as someone who would rather try to discredit an individual than just simply refute what they've got to say. ...Dres seriosuly, dres? It was a question, not an accusation, and i DID try to refute what he said more than once by pointing out that the photo doesnt violate any of SL's rules. What i would like to know is why does it seem like every thread on this forum has to end up being some kind of a debate? This thread was meant to showcase wall decorations in SL homes, not be a haven for people trying to be SL attorneys and interpret SL rules. Yes, i am perfectly aware that you can post anything you want in any thread that you want, but do you always have to do it?

Firstly Cleo, I do not take orders from you, regardless of how you word them. I will post as I see fit. Secondly, the concerns I raise are relevant to the thread. And you need to understand that my original post to you was a little joke. I don't care personally, who you post pictures of in here. You have, as I noted, completely missed the point and remain oblivious to it. Which is ok, most will probably not understand it unless they are aware of what I am referring to, which I can't divulge because to do so would be a violation of policy here and result in my being banned. Thirdly, you have no idea if the people in the picture are residents here or not, do you. And the fact that you have 'disclosed' their RL occupations in and of itself may qualify as a violation of the aforementioned policies here. So try and relax and let it play. Follow along and you may indeed learn something. Or don't. I care not either way. Here is a pic for you. ok, firstly...your original comment to me could easily be (and was) interpeted as YOU telling me what to do, so please try to not be too much of a hypocrite. Secondly, how in the hell am i supposed to know it was meant to be a joke? I have no idea who you are and without some sort of context, the humor just isnt there for me to see. You are correct that i have missed the point because your point isnt clear at all...it just seems as though you are either trolling or getting on me for posting a random RL photo of three unidentified girls. You also verify that it is reasonable for me to not understand your point becasue you cant tell anyone what it is Thirdly, it doesnt matter if they are SL residents or not, as there is NO WAY to link their tv show characters or even RL names to any SL account simply based on a photo. In order for it to be a violation, someone would have to demonstrate that they are residents, which once again, isnt going to happen because you cant ID the actresses. lastly, your pic is sooo of topic, im not sure why you bothered to post it...but whatever.

Derek Torvalar wrote: No thank you. You are in over your head Cleo, and a long way from shore. Derek, did you come in here just to troll, or do you actually have some point to make? Nothing in the photo qualifies as "disclosing personal information" of any resident, or anyone else for that matter. As i already said (and you seem to have overlooked) is that the people in the photo are three actresses portraying fictional characters from a tv show that is the RP basis for my avatar. The photo was posted online by the studio who produced the show. They are not SL residents, and unless you actually know who these actresses are, you'd have no chance in hell of ever identifying them just off of the photo. If you have such a big problem with me posting it, then report it and let the thread go back to its original subject.

Bobbie Faulds wrote: Take a look at some of the WoW skins. They have a very similar shape they have the shape, but not the spacing...thanks for the info though

maybe you should ask me what (or who) is in the photo first before assuming anything Its MY home, and MY photo, so i think it is safe to say i am allowed to post it. However, since you seem to want to totally derail this thread over this, let me reassure you that the photo isnt what you think it is. It is a publically available photograph of three fictional characters from the set of a tv show that my avi is based on (and they arent SL residents), and it isnt copyrighted, so please take your legalism and let this thread get back to its original purpose ok?

this is the wall of my bedroom in SL. It is a work in progress and at the moment, and the only actual photo i have is on the nightstand At some point, ill be adding more of my SL adventures.

Hello :) I have been looking all over SL for a skin with a very specific eyebrow shape, but have only found one that even comes close. I have probably tried on literally hundreds of skin demos, and looked at dozens of skin shops, but i still cant quite find what i want. Right now, i am using the Rose skin from !Soul, and it seems to be ok for the moment, but since my avi is based on an RL actress (Phoebe Tonkin), i really want it to be correct. Phoebe's eyebrows are VERY unique (see the attached photo). They have a narrow gap no wider than the bridge of her nose, an obvious sharp angled arch, and they go past the outside edge of her eyes. If anyone has ever seen a skin with this specific eyebrow shape, please let me know. I would really appreciate it :)

ok, i'm finally adding a photo...

They are also sometimes referred to as "poofers". Type that into the search bar on the marketplace, then look under gadgets > particle effects, and you should find quite a few of them