Cackle Amore
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On 8/6/2018 at 10:49 AM, Klytyna said:
Why do the mesh hating SL Fossils persistently LIE about how 'easy' clothing was in the "good old days" when many of us remember those days well enough to know that it was only 'easy' if you didn't give a rats backside how bloody awful you looked.
I think it's more so that, while the quality and such has certainly improved with mesh, at least back when the main part of clothes was just a clothing texture layer and we all used the same body, you didn't have to worry about this size or that size, or needing Body A or B, it just all worked relatively seamlessly across the whole grid.
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7 hours ago, steeljane42 said:
Some people just can't help, but to protect their favorite toy (game/feature/company) at all cost, they are often known as "white knights" in the community. On the other comment in this thread about some other concerns, like BoM not having materials and as far as I know not even having some plans to add them anytime soon (and we all know, that by LL standards soon is 1-2 years, so yeah, materials are not happening for a long time, if ever) we got a very mature reply below.
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As for myself, I already said in the past - no materials = not interested. I can't quite remember if we had materials already when I just started with SL in 2012 or not, but in 2014 we already had them. So now after many years we're getting the downgrade without materials, which will make it useful only for stuff like tattoos and makeup. And even that is not fully, lately various body shine appliers got quite popular and those are all based on materials. Sorry, can't help and to be excited about getting feature that was worked on for years that is just for makeup and tattoos. I mean, yeah, it's not bad, yay for whoever might save a couple FPS here and there, but all that development time that went into it. *shrugs*
And because (partially at least) of the lack of materials, onions are not going anywhere, at best I can see mesh body creators including 2 copies of their bodies into the pack after/if they will update them; one with all the extra layers and one without. Alpha cuts through hud are also here to stay I believe, no one is going to update all their old releases to "old school alphas" and I highly doubt updated bodies won't have alpha cuts/hud either, since it'll make those thousands of thousands clothes from 2014/2015 (when most of the current mesh bodies were released) to now, entirely useless to your average SL user, which won't (and can't) make own alpha for them.
I mean.. it's working off the old system, so not that terribly surprising it's got no materials when there's no built in materials for skin to begin with. But you can still apply those materials on the attachment itself.
And obviously still some perfectly valid uses the 'onion layers' can fill, but for a lot of the more basic foundation stuff, that can all be taken care of by BoM now, from the skin itself, to the many uses of tattoo layers from skin blemishes and features, make up, etc.
As for Alpha layers, those can easily coexist with alpha huds, it can help cover the smaller nooks and such alpha huds don't cover, while alpha huds themselves can probably be trimed down in size over time to just covering more basic larger sections of bodies with alpha layers doing the more advanced detailing cutouts tailored to what ever clothing item they get made with.
QuoteI also very much prefer the HUD approach when it comes to makeup and alphas myself. Although I'm not sure if makeup via BoM can be done through HUDs with picture or not. But if not... no thanks, I'd rather wear the HUD that contains 5 to 25+ makeup options with pictures, than try to remember "the hell is that *Brandname_Makeupname_color* thing or which exactly from that list/folder was the one I wanted to put on now.
I will agree though, having all those skins and other such things being able to be condensed into a simple hud has been pretty nice, maybe that might still be possible as I recall seeing scripting support for BoM floating about, not really something I've tried out myself as I lack the skills for that sort of thing, but I guess we'll have to see what people do with that.
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1 hour ago, Teager said:
I respectfully disagree. There are always more potentially useful use cases for a new technology than the intended/most obvious one.
I've actually been expecting to build BOM functionality into my teeglepet animesh horses instead of adding LI-heavy tattoo layers to them. BOM for these horses would be useful for the applying of unique paint markings, leg markings, and facial markings over your choice of hundreds of base skin colors, allowing for a great deal more customization in creating your own unique horse. It would also open up the accessory market to creators who don't know how to make or rig mesh, allowing them to create saddle pads, blankets, leg wraps, and other skin tight accessories using only textures.
If those BOM add-ons can't be used on a horse that is worn, though, I hesitate to add BOM support. The average consumer will not understand why their horse's unique marking works when rezzed but not when worn (that is, if rezzed animesh does work; i wasn't clear on that from the article and haven't had a chance yet to try.
Luckly, the BoM stuff can be used with non standard forms, though you'll of course need stuff tailored made for it.
Ideally, if you've got 3 or less textures for the body, you can hook it up into the skin layer. You can also make use of the eyes and hair as well for their counter parts, and the new universal layer will let you add tattoos to those other spots.
As for Animesh, My assumption is probably not, atleast not at the moment. The BoM thing only worked on attachments when I was last trying it out. Couldn't even toggle it on an object if it's just rezzed on the ground. But who knows, maybe someday, I imagine they wanted to finally get it pushed out in a stable form so peeps can finally start to use it.
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Hopefully the TPV's won't take too long
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20 hours ago, Gabriele Graves said:
I am not enthusiastic at all. At best it will have little immediate impact that I care about and at worst it could break all of my purchased appliers. I don't have a great deal of confidence that breakage will not occur.
You should think of it as a good thing. You won't need appliers anymore for your base skin and such. Skin, tattoo layers, even alpha layers can shine once more!
Can even have like basic undergarments as clothing layers again.
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On 3/13/2019 at 5:12 PM, Alyona Su said:
It worked exactly like I said it would work under that scenario.
The OR needs to be in front of the AND.
I *do* have this question: How do you get the keywords merchants use? Because sometimes I get results that are so far off I can only presume they are padding with B.S. keywords. But don't know how to see them.
Right click on the product page, and pick inspect
You'll see this pop up
Then just press ctrl+f and a search box will show up in it, type in "keyword" and it'll take ya directly to em.
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Kind of like what @Fritigern Gothly did, worse case, you just acquire a 'permanent' neck based accessory to hide the seam
Here's a random doodle of some ideas off the top of my head
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I bet @Penny Patton will like the sounds of the recent topics if she missed it.
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Before you get to rigging, I'd recommend learning about retopology. Atm it looks like your mane thing was made via scuplting, So it's polygons are probably a chaotic mess, and it'll make it a a pain to properly weight.
To explain what Retopoly is, basically, you just rebuild a lower poly mesh around the high poly scuplt.
Often times, the high poly sculpt will be used to make a bump map to stick on the lowpoly to retain the extra details.
This video should give you a rough idea of how to do it, though I think the fellow in the vid might have some plugins that might throw ya off.
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On 8/4/2019 at 9:48 AM, Candide LeMay said:
How does one deal with UV mapping for multiple LOD level if you want to create the LOD models yourself instead of using the uploader? You can't have different textures for different LOD levels, right?
Well, just try to have your lower LOD's seams match up as best ya can, then just kind of match up the UV as best ya can. Don't worry about it being a bit of a mess, you won't be close enough to see the LOD's anyways when they're working as intended.
One thing you can do is select the full model, then the LOD, and when your in the UV window, click on view and toggle on the option to like "draw other" or something like that there, it'll show you the UV of the other selected object as a sort of faint backdrop.
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Ya sadly glitchy transparency has been something that's plagued video games for quite some time. That's why you're more likely to see things use mask instead.
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Well, I'm sure the tool would be nifty, but it does seems a good lot of us are blender users here 😅
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Ya, you can make how ever many looks you want on a single account, of various genders, races, species, etc
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On 7/3/2019 at 6:45 AM, Penny Patton said:
Don't add hidden pieces to your objects. Mesh hair doesn't need a root prim with a store logo on it.
To be fair, plenty of uses for having something like hair linked to a basic cube as the root. Like if it's made of unrigged pieces, it's easier to position if it's root is a simple cube, and if it's rigged, well surely we've all had issues at one point or another trying to right click on a model and just ending up selecting everything else but the model. Having a simple plain prim cube is much easier to aim for since it won't be as effected by that same issue.
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Make sure the permissions are set when it's still rezzed on the ground then pick it up. Basically, if you only change the permissions while in your inventory, it doesn't fully apply, and is more or less just temporary perms.
Alternatively, if your on firestorm [I don't know if other viewers have this option] You can set the default permissions to be full perm for anything you upload onto your build account. [Those options are in preferences>firestorm>build1 for me.]
An easy way you can tell is in here
Look at the N, that shows the current permissions on it
And if I was to check the box for Transfer, it'll now have a little * next to it
But when I rez it, and pick it back up into my inventory, the * goes away
Now, I do admit, I don't entirely know what some of the letters and such is short for, but basically, if you still see the *, it means the permissions haven't been fully applied.
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There's also the size of the model in the mix as well, if it's massive when you spawn it in SL, you might want to downscale it back in blender.
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On 8/8/2019 at 5:46 PM, kiramanell said:
Not sure why they aren't, really. Camera pos, maybe? Still, without animations conforming to the actual physics of an object, accommodating for different avi heights would still remain problematic, even when kitchens and such were scaled properly.
That's possibly a reason, I think Penny also had made some blog posts bout that. It's kind of a bit high up behind us by default, and so people probably just built to accommodate that without much thought, and similarly, old default avatars were a bit oversized and it just kind of stuck that way.
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1 minute ago, NeevaBecketEmagan said:
Yes, this is what the pros at modeling does: less important takes less space. I do it a lot.
Your avatar is nice, I saw it in the creators meeting. Not as a colored gummy like others (i put avatar rendering in very low complexity here).
You'd have to manually derender me even at the lowest 😉
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Also, something I tend to do, if I'm a bit pinched for space on the UV, I'll shrink down sections for the less important parts
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I got my own avatar I been working on split into two main parts
Outside of SL I'd normally try and stick em both together on one, but with the modding and splicing together nature of SL, I feel some splitting apart doesn't hurt so they can be used standalone from one another.
[P.S, the head UV is smaller than the body, just a bit sized up to squeeze in together]
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@NeevaBecketEmagan Be sure you got your UV's set up that it can fit into three slots max if ya want to hook it up into the skin layer with BoM, assuming you got a custom UV.
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23 hours ago, KanryDrago said:
and we have stated time and again why static examples dont work. The sl avi doesnt work with animations because it doesnt have enough polygons it moves like an automaton. The examples which are also static or limited animation prove nothing. The person that posted the original image is an "let optimise everything no one will notice the difference between my original image and what they have now" The fact he has since posted more detailed avi's shouldnt detract from the fact he considered the first one "No one will notice a difference" ie his opinion is suspect
I never called it my original image, it was just simply among the first examples I could fine of a character model paired with it's wireframe for the point I was trying to make, and my opinion has been very consistent, nothin 'suspect' bout it.
We don't need to slap 10 layers of subdivide on a model to make it look or animate good, you can easily achieve that with less from cartoony to realism. Having a million polygons in your ass isn't going to stop it from caving in when your avatar is doing the splits, because we simply lack the extra bones to fluidly animate the body to such an extent.
All we can do is do the best we can with weight painting and well made flow of topology, but even then, you might be able to get those hot demon vampire buns to have the best lookin patootie in the bloodlines kingdom when sitting down, but that doesn't mean it'll look good when it's twisted and bent in other directions. That's an unfortunate downside when it comes to making bodies and limbs, while it's good to try and account for any possible angle, twist, etc your model might be put through, you can't get it all.
And slapping on more and more and more and more and more polygons is a lazy band-aid solution.
When it comes down to it, the face is often the only part that can be reasonably more higher poly since it needs to be able to animate. but the whole body doesn't need as much except for mostly around the joints to help them from caving in on each other when the limbs bend about, but beyond that you can easily cut down on excess topology around the rest of the body with little notice. And course, I'm not saying it has to look like it was fresh out of a PS2 game, just be smart about it.
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Quite certain games with character customization are often made in similar ways we do them on SL[And often better]. And they aren't made with 'known' outfits at the time, maybe one outfit that's part of the initial character design at best and then the rest come after, working around the model, much like we do in SL, people make clothes to work with the model, not the other way around. They also will sometimes have the bodies sliced up into chunks, so they can more easily be hidden away under the clothes eventually made for it. Sometimes they got parts of the body attached to the outfit if it's not fully tailored to a specific cutoff point, so they can have it more selectively sliced out under neath and just plug it back in with the rest.
We don't need more polygons, there's already too many of em, more polygons doesn't mean it's gonna look better or work better, it won't matter how many millions of polygons your ass has, it'll still cave in when sitting because we only got like three or four bones down there to use. Movies and the like can get away with that because they have animation rigs with possibly hundreds of bones to account for all those sort of different ways the body moves and bends in motion, and massive rendering farms to calculate ever frame of those butts, but we only got the basics to work with. I always try to account for every possible twist and bending the rig can do when weight painting, but there's only so much we can account for in the end. And the same goes for LL, they can only cover for such much if there's a large chunk of content makers who just refuse to help improve the game.
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In an odd way, I feel like this kind of makes for an interesting counter point to calls against necroing threads.
I made that above comment in the middle of the night in jest after it was linked in the other thread about necroing, and it's still sitting at the top of this particular thread category.
These forums are kind of slow moving, so, a thread or two being risen from the grave from time to time is really impacting much when ya think about it.
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15 minutes ago, KanryDrago said:
You maybe happy with cartoons. Most people arent
I guess that depends on what side of SL you're on when it comes down to it. I will admit I do have a bit more favor towards toonier/stylized. I would love if there was more selection for human avatars that have a style closer to what you'd see in games like Overwatch and Wildstar. But alas, there's a bit of a gap in the market for human stuff like that. It's anime on one side, and realisticish humans on the other
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Posted · Edited by Digit Gears
Well, nothing really terribly drastic you gotta learn, it's the new, now being able to use the old, IE, skin, eyes, hair, clothing layers, tattoo layers ,alpha layers, etc.
So, a lot of stuff you might have as a dozen different overlaying mesh, can now all be worn as layerables like we used to do before mesh bodies took over. So much less reliance on onion layers. Not to say there still aren't some uses for the onions, but ya, just won't need em as much anymore.