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    VAMPIRES!

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    Posted · Edited by Ted McGregor

    47 minutes ago, Innula Zenovka said:

    At least in the EU and the UK, it's not a question of what data you display.    It's a question of what data you store, for what purpose, under what conditions, who has access to it, and what consents the person to whom the data relates has given.

    All I'm saying is that it's probably not an issue for LL but it might well be an issue for the relevant data protection authorities, whoever they might be, so it's something people should take up -- if they feel sufficiently strongly about it -- with their local data protection authority rather than with LL (or in these forums).

    .. but .. I have to insist.. a UUID only .. without personal data .. can be shared and publicised without legal consequence.

    It would make no legal sense to convict a 3rd party on basis of that SL internal UUID only.

    As long as Progeny sticks to this, they are not legally viable.

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    VAMPIRES!

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    1 minute ago, Innula Zenovka said:

    That's what I did with RedZone way back when -- long story short, the British data protection authorities told me they couldn't touch them because neither RedZone nor LL kept any of the relevant data in the EU.    However, the law has now changed and, were RedZone still a thing, they'd have the data protection authorities of several countries coming for them.

    Then, without knowing the case, I reckon RedZone's relevant data, might have included UUID, but this case would not be built solely on gathering or displaying a UUID only.

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    VAMPIRES!

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    Posted · Edited by Ted McGregor

    2 minutes ago, Innula Zenovka said:

    "All the more unlikely to be acknowledged" by courts in which jurisdiction?

    OK. Can you tell me about any precedent in any jurisdiction which has actively convicted a 3rd party within SL for displaying a SL UUID only ?

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    VAMPIRES!

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    Just now, Innula Zenovka said:

    Please direct me to the relevant law in the jurisdiction you say Progeny's database is maintained and processed.

    I would have no clue. Although I believe if the jurisdiction where Progeny keeps their database is outside of the U.S., legal claims to total privacy of your UUID in SL seem all the more unlikely to be acknowledged.

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    VAMPIRES!

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    1 minute ago, Innula Zenovka said:

    Yes, but my point is that whoever owns Progeny's database needs to worry not only about LL's Terms of Service but also about the relevant data protection law wherever they happen to be based, because failure to comply with that can result in the data regulator, not LL, issuing heft fines..

     

    IF personal data is publically availiable without consent. This does NOT include a simple thing as a UUID.

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    VAMPIRES!

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    1 minute ago, xDancingStarx said:

    Why this toxic response?

    It's not toxic or meant to be as such.

    You take a very bold claim saying in here : " My UUID is mine and woe those who dare use it for any means I don't agree with."

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    VAMPIRES!

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    Posted · Edited by Ted McGregor

    8 minutes ago, Innula Zenovka said:

    So while I share your doubts that LL would regard uuids as personal data, I'm not so sure what view data regulators in different jurisdictions would take, and they're the ones with the power to levy hefty fines.

    At which point LL's legal team will always pull out the ToS which states that you AGREE to using THEIR service based on U.S. law on THEIR terms, which in turn does not give you personal governance or legal posession over your UUID. Provided LL will go to court abroad at all.

    The UUID is attributed to your personal information. Again. No more invididual rights can be derived from that.

    Third parties in SL are free to use that UUID for the services they offer. Provided they do not reveal personal real life information.

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    VAMPIRES!

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    1 minute ago, xDancingStarx said:

    I'm just quoting from https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Using_Personal_Data that it literally says that "an agent ID" (quote) is an example of"Personally Identifiable Information" (quot nd that "Personal Data includes all PII" (quote). It literally says that a UUID is Personal data, and despite of that people are saying it's not. Not sure what's going on here tbh.

    OK. Get yourself a lawyer. Sue Progeny.

     

    Good luck.

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    VAMPIRES!

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    Posted · Edited by Ted McGregor

    2 minutes ago, xDancingStarx said:

    Man, just read the page.

    Man.. don't pretend to be a legal person insisting on data YOU DO NOT OWN FROM THE BEGIN WITH.

    Personal Identifiable Data, like a UUID, can be attributed to you. That's it.

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    VAMPIRES!

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    Posted · Edited by Ted McGregor

    2 minutes ago, xDancingStarx said:

    I even QUOTED from the page that it IS personal data. What else can I do?

    Is personal IDENTIFIABLE data. Personal is not the keyword here. This data identifies you as a person. This data is never owned by you.

    Again. That' s in the ToS.

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    VAMPIRES!

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    Posted · Edited by Ted McGregor

    5 minutes ago, xDancingStarx said:

    So, no, when signing up for SL you do not agree to your personal data being transmitted to servers OUTSIDE of SL.

    Doesn't say your UUID belongs to you and is personal and should never be shared. It identifies you. You cannot claim it your own.

    If it would, it would make all Progeny activity illegal in SL and LL should actively ban it and restrict access of their HUDs.

    Why don't they ? (rhetorical)

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    VAMPIRES!

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    Posted · Edited by Ted McGregor

    12 minutes ago, xDancingStarx said:

    As far as progency is concerned, I would not be surprised if the UUID of the person bitten gets transferred outside of SL to an external database without consent. I would not be surprised since the system apparently keeps track of, for example, avatars who have died in consequence of biting which would definitely not "respect the privacy rights of Second Life Residents" as elaborated in https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Using_Personal_Data

    I'll elaborate further : your UUID is not private. It belongs to LL as a point of identification within their system and databases. You cannot prevent others users to see this UUID or 'abuse' it for personal use.

    You agreed to the ToS therefore forfeiting this data to be yours.

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    Official or Firestorm?

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    4 hours ago, Phil Deakins said:

    It was brought to light by one of the developers who decided to figure out what it was, and Emerald was banned.

    I never used Emerald but it took until Firestorm before I felt I could trust their viewers, and I only use it for OpenSim because there isn't much in the way of choice.

    It was a DDos attack, out of spite against someone, hidden in the frontpage of the viewer. Wotsisname tried to wave it off, but the attack was evidently coming from Emerald and he tried to wave it off unsuccesfully. His position could no longer be held and he left. Jessica Lyons became head of the project since guarding the trustworthyness of the viewer.

    I have used Emerald and it was a great viewer except for this incident. Since Jessica Lyons took over, the project has only flourished for the better and Phoenix / Firestorm have mostly been my preferred viewer of choice.

    Still don't regret it to this day as a daily driver, in spite of having several clients installed on my system aside Firestorm.

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    VAMPIRES!

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    1 minute ago, Arduenn Schwartzman said:

    So, the only thing that's left is an invisible physics bean and a little cloud of particles that invades your personal space. In the worst cse, they might even push your avatar around when you are afk.

    Gee, I wonder how one could solve that problem.

    Afaik there are progeny scanners out there which do exactly that, which renders the indignation about harassment moot.

    Guess that's not intended to be mentioned by the OP.

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    How Does Your SL Look Today?

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    Posted · Edited by Ted McGregor

    12 hours ago, Bagnu said:

    In all honesty, I didn't notice, ...

    In all honesty ... if I were the least bit like yo... oh, squirrel !1! .. 😮

    ETA : ... you do 'it' , you leave your stains, you get dressed, you focus her in the picture, post the picture in GD which is non-Adult and you still forget about that ? Where is your mind going ? It seems all over the place instead there where it needs focus while you focus in on it ... :|

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    VAMPIRES!

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    Just now, Lauren Mortal said:

    I only wanted to go shopping in peace today.

    Nothing, except your paranoia, will prevent you in doing so.

    1 minute ago, Lauren Mortal said:

     But I guess the real mistake I made was turning to this forum for any hopes of support.

    Who told you this is LL support ? That is a seperate branch of LL and you should contact them not through here.

    If you need support about 'fighting off' Progeny-vampires, I can tell you on forehand it's futile : it's part of roleplaying culture in SL.

    If you don't want to be part of it, just don't respond to it.

    Much ado about nothing really. Progeny vampires arrive at the new SL Welcome-hub all the time and it's agreed upon usually they are not allowed to linger at landingzones or 'bite' newcomers.

    That's about all the 'protection' you will get.

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