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Bronxcheer wrote: "The broacaster pays pays for the rights." Do I have to define what a broadcaster is for your stupid ass too? If I wasn't expilicit then SIM = people receiving the stream. I'm going to be nice and assume English isn't your first language. Otherwise one would think you're an ignorant ass who just likes to argue, because your posts don't make a lick of sense. At least, not the way you type them. So, kudos on knowing enough English to be able to join a discussion. I commend people that learn a second language and have the balls to use it in a public forum before having it down pat. That takes some conviction. Especially given that English is a very difficult language.

Teagan Tobias wrote: I would put out yard trash and it would be picked up but I always had to rake up a small amount of leaves or in general clean up to some extent, but they did their job. But two doors down a friend would put out his yard trash and they would rake and pickup until it looked like it was never there. Then one day I saw him out talking to the men, they were laughing and having a good time. He thanked them for the work and what he got was a lot better job. And the best part about this is that he was my boss at the time, I enjoyed my work and he let me know that he liked the job I did. It does pay to say thank you. At least that has been my experience. I very much understand that it can sometimes pay to say thank you. I don't understand why someone believes saying thank you will make the moderators do a better job. It never has. Some of the same people that thanked them in this thread, have also been the loudest to **bleep** when the spam gets annoying on the weekend. I'll stick with believing it odd to thank the moderators for doing a job they were hired to do.

Bronxcheer wrote: Gadget Portal wrote: Here's an interesting thing to add to the conversation. A while back I contacted BMI (http://www.bmi.com/) about paying royalties as a Second Life DJ. I linked SL to 'em, told 'em what goes on, and I was told in the reply that the land owner where the music is being played is required to pay the royalties. To this day I wonder if the reply was incorrect. Are you being provocative or stupid? Broadcasters pay for rights, recipients listen/watch broadcast. Recipient=sim appropos SL. Think before you type. Actually your answer is just as stupid, if that's what you really feel about the previous post. Some sim owners DO rent the streams themselves and therefore, paying the fees falls on their shoulders, as they take responsibility for what goes over the airwaves they are temporarily renting. It doesn't matter who they allow to "borrow" the stream, they are still very much responsible for what gets sent through. Much in the same that a radio station in rl must pay the proper fees, rather than each individual host/DJ. This is part of the reason why shoutcast actually has rules(aside from ones they are legally bound to have) one must abide by in order to stream through them. That's another legality most don't follow either, though, an entirely different rant, though related.

I'll never understand why people congratulate the moderators for performing a duty of their job they are required to do regardless. Yes it's fantastic we have mods at all, but it is their JOB to remove them. Congratulating them on a job well done just seems weird, to me. Unless you're the person who thanks everyone and anyone for doing their job. Maybe I'm odd but I expect people to do the jobs they're hired to do. I don't congratulate or offer kudos to the guys that pick up my garbage every week either. Though I appreciate that they do. This is their job, it's what they were hired to do, it's what they are supposed to do.

Alobar Valeska wrote: ImaTest wrote: Alobar Valeska wrote: Malanya wrote: Aren't dj's expected to provide all their own stuff, and streams, don't they cost? I expect DJs to have their own streams. A 50 person stream costs around 1500 lindens a month. Beyond that, a DJ would have to have their own "stuff" ... otherwise, they couldn't really call themself a DJ. No it doesn't, lol. Streams are getting cheaper and cheaper in sl. They're quite easy to come by at much lower rates than they've ever been before. Okay, if the word "around" isn't vague enough for you, change it to "up to". Sorry I didn't read the around as vague at all, because it suggested that as being the average price. I was simply saying, it's not. That used to be the average area for stream rentals though. It's really only been in the last two years it's taken the dive it has.

Crim Mip wrote: You are living in a fantasyland if you think there are very many DJ's actually shelling out all that cash just so they can earn a pittance (and it's a pittance in ANY club) to stream music into SL. A good professional DJ with top equipment isn't sitting in second life. They are out earning thousands of dollars in RL cash rather than thousands of L's. Just because someone is a professional DJ in rl does not mean they won't also do gigs in sl. I have, I know at least a few other professional DJs who have, or do, as well. That doesn't mean we're using what we do make from a gig as an actual income, though. I don't know of any actual professional DJ that makes their entire rl and sl income, from sl gigs. It's not impossible, I'm sure, I just don't know any. I still DJ in rl, but it's not my primary source of income. I've also still done gigs in sl, again, not my primary source of income. You can still be quite professional, make very little to nothing at a gig, and enjoy it. I do it in sl because it's fun. I've even done rl gigs without being paid, because I enjoy doing it. I can do this because it's not my primary income. I am still very much a DJ with all the proper licensing, equipment, and intelligence..aka, a professional.

Alobar Valeska wrote: Malanya wrote: Aren't dj's expected to provide all their own stuff, and streams, don't they cost? I expect DJs to have their own streams. A 50 person stream costs around 1500 lindens a month. Beyond that, a DJ would have to have their own "stuff" ... otherwise, they couldn't really call themself a DJ. No it doesn't, lol. Streams are getting cheaper and cheaper in sl. They're quite easy to come by at much lower rates than they've ever been before.

Malanya wrote: I asked because I seen an ad in the forum for a dj job and there was a list for all the things the dj needed to have. I honestly have no clue about dj's and what their cost entails. I am sure as you say many do things that aren't ethical as far as their streams and such. I was always under the impression it was a big expense, but that was just passing conversation so nothing to validate it. I don't know what SAM is or Virtual DJ. Don't they still have to talk on mic, say when they are playing a request (yes I find it annoying when they yap through songs) and I don't like the local chat thank you for the tip either, I appreciate when the dj actually gives you a ty. I didnt' know a dj had to rent out space either. You would think that a dj or host would like direct tipping lol It should cost a lot, but the majority of sl DJs don't pay more than mere pennies, if that. Which might explain why I am as cynical of them as I really am.No one can "pull it off" the right way, legally, on the cheap. It's just not possible. So those who don't spend quite a bit, at least the initial investment, are likely not even remotely legal. When you tell people this though, they go all ape crap crazy. Either because "it's just for fun" or because "so and so is an AWESOME DJ!!! like OMG!!!!!" and you've just insulted them. Either way, they're idiots, so I pay them little mind. I just laugh. Sl is no different than rl with this though. In rl you have a lot of back yard DJs as well. Both SAM and Virtual DJ are two of the most likely programs they'd use to broadcast the music. Yes they should be talking on mic, at least some, but they do that within the program as well. I saw someone mention a DJ or host being in local on voice, to me that too is a HUGE faux pas. Neither should be on voice and if the DJ is talking, it should be through the stream. The renting space thing is for the actual stream, which is hosted on a server somewhere. I guess the easiest way to explain it would be to liken it to our sims. In order to have a sim, you need a server to run it(ie, the servers the lab owns). Streams(music or otherwise) work very similar in that they need a server to run through, in order to exist. It sounds much more complicated than it really is. The fact that it does sound complicated is what makes people think there is such a huge learning curve. There's really not for most sl DJs because they're only in it half assed, if even, to begin with. There can be if you do things by the book, though.

Malanya wrote: Aren't dj's expected to provide all their own stuff, and streams, don't they cost? Not everywhere expects it, but any DJ worth a lick will have it. Streams aren't expensive at all these days. You can easily find a decent stream(decent enough for sl use) for $100L-$200L for 50-100 listeners a month. Yes there are both more expensive and less expensive ones, of varying quality and user/listener countss, but there are a ton of them out there to fit any budget. Places in sl used to charge a lot more for stream rentals than they do now. I've only rented a stream from someone else in sl twice. Both for charity gigs shortly after a rl move and long after I'd stopped runing my own server. Because I didn't want to fiddle with setting the system back up at the time for a few hours worth of use. As for anything else a DJ may need, aside from music, they're all pretty non-essential. I don't do tip jars, I hate them. I prefer direct tipping. Any DJ or host that tells me I can't, doesn't get a tip. I never used one myself and frankly I just don't need them. I'm easy enough to find when working and it's no more difficult to directly pay someone than it is to directly pay an object. But those who do use them can easily make them, free. They could buy them too, but it's not a necessary or essential part. The music, however, brings an entirely different animal into the mix. 99.9% of the DJs you will find in sl, download their music. I'm not even going to get into the legalities there. But, they certainly aren't paying for it. They also tend to use SAM, Virtual DJ or some other program(yes the majority don't actually pay for their copy, however some do). You won't often find a DJ who doesn't use one of these programs that pretty much does the work for them. There's not really a learning curve to either, they're set up and go, in a way. So, while it SHOULD cost a DJ a not so small sum to set his or herself up properly, it typically does not. Most have very little to no overhead at all. They might lie and say otherwise, because most wouldn't know they were lying.

Christin73 wrote: I host and have for a while. Doesnt matter what genra. The job of a host/ess I see is this. A good host or hostess is there to suport the DJ. That means when people come in you welcome them. In your welcome every once in a while let them know who the DJ is. Promote requests and tipping of the DJ as well as Dancers if there are dancers. When I host I am active in local chat. I am constantly/ every 10 minates promoting either Tipping the DJ or letting people know they take requests. A good host is an active host. Just my expierience. A huge faux pas and something that will likely piss off more than it helps. People don't like begging. Even if the DJ, the club, or whatever is absolutely superb NO ONE likes to be spammed that often with begging for tips. It, in fact, draws the exact opposite response from most people. Sure some might tip, most won't. Begging them that often, is going to make it even less likely they'd tip. Simply because you annoyed the crap out of them. As you can see from this thread(and the tons of others about this topic) most HATE that kind of spam. As a DJ, I would refuse to work with someone who did that, and have. It lacks tact, and class.

Christin73 wrote: Thank you LLs. NOT! I can't tell if you're being serious and blaming the lab, or just a smartass, lol. Either way, and this addresses the OP too, the lab has no control over the radio stations. They are completely independent and it's up to their owners to decide if they want to let you listen for free without ads, or not. Although sl, itself, does play a bit of a role in why stations have ads. It's because we're all listening for free and not paying for the servers the streams are hosted on. Money for that has to come from somewhere, just like most tv and radio stations. If it weren't for sl some of the stations wouldn't get the high(er) traffic they do, and wouldn't need to pay for it.

Vaughn Highwater wrote: Nothing is good if done to the uttmost extreme. It's neither good to say nothing because many people at clubs want more than just music and it's just annoying if someone is so in love with hearing himself talk (too often without any substance) that you wanna shout "shut the EFF up". I also hate it when DJs talk into the songs. I was at a reggae club the other day and that's exactly what I was thinking. The dude kept talking and not even just between songs. He was talking during them too. All I wanted to do was strangle the dude. Apparently I wasn't alone because a few other patrons decided to voice a similar opinion in local, and promptly got booted. Granted they could have worded it better, but they were spot on. Talk about a room killer though. I had been there listening to one DJ and stayed on when that guy started his shift. I couldn't stand it and left after about 25 minutes.

Syo Emerald wrote: I'm not sure, if I can really agree on what you say. If I go to a club, I want to dance. If I want to dance I need music. If I want a voiceconversation I open skype and call a friend. But DJs who are half of their set busy with talking,talking and talking make me roll my eyes. And at the same time quite a big group of them hasn't a voice I want to listen to...or any content to talk about. Its even worse if I can't hear the song till the end, because the DJ feels chatty again. If I want that, I can also turn on a local radiostation. I agree, too much chatter during a set can really ruin it. A good DJ does engage the crowd in conversation as well while spinning, without making it seem forced. Even if the crowd doesn't respond back. I do agree no DJ, at least in sl, should be doing more talking than spinning. But if all you want to listen to is music, you don't need a club, or a DJ for that. Then again, if you have a great DJ who knows what they're doing, them interacting with you wouldn't be something you'd find yourself rolling your eyes at or disliking. Therein lies the difference, as most sl DJs, don't know what they're doing, or even how to do the small amount they do manage figuring out, very well. I am a DJ in rl. Not full time anymore, but I once was. I've also been a DJ in sl, until I decided that most in sl aren't really looking for anyone professional-even if only doing it for fun. So, this is where I take my experience from, primarily. I've been to many a club in sl, like plenty of others, so I can also draw an opinion from that experience too. The two, combined, is where my opinion stems from. Most rl professional DJs that I have come across can't help but be cynical about the sl version. There are plenty of fantastic ones out there, but they are outnumbered, greatly, by the mediocrre or worse bunch. Most scoff at the idea that a DJ is there to play music, and nothing more. Because that's not what they are there for, and it's the rest of sl that has it backwards. Most DJs, while they do have a theme or general list in mind, don't pre-load some program with a ton of music and just sit back and allow it to do the work, with an occasional line or two here and there. If that's what clubs were really aiming for, they'd have no use for a DJ at all.

Vaughn Highwater wrote: I'm a DJ on SL and have DJed in various rock clubs. I've seen and worked with a lot of differents hosts. What surprises me all the time again is how little a lot of them do. I don't want to start a rant but I would like to share my view on what the job description "host" should include and start a friendly discussion. The situation as I see it "as is": - They welcome every guest and sometimes ask how they are. Unfortunately some use the same line (like "Hey NAME, welcome to CLUBNAME!") with everyone. Would you feel welcome and personally treasured seeing the host says the exact same thing to everyone? - More often then not they use more standard gestures you've seen a thousand times and also more often than not they use more guestures than actually do real talking - Many write in capital letters all the time. I can understand this for info standard like "PLEASE HIT THE VOTE BOX IF YOU ENJOY YOUR TIME HERE" or "PLEASE SHOW THE DJ/CLUB SOME APPRECIATION AND TIP THEM FOR THEIR WORK" but in a normal talk it looks very impersonal and like shouting. In my opinion if someone has to use capital letters when talking to specific people in the chat they just aren't able to connect enough. Lower case works for everyone else in the chat (if the host doesn't spam the chat with frequent and large gestures). - Most hosts seem to be more reactive than proactive. They comment on what is said and also join conversations. But the difference between a normal chatter and a host is that the host is supposed to get a conversation going when it's too quiet. - Hosts actually giving it a try to start a conversation use standards like "hey, how are you today?" or "Nice shoes, Sally". The idea to try and get the chat going is very nice. But why use something where "I'm good" and "thx" is usually a quick and single short answer that gets nothing going? A host should be more creative . - Words like OMG, WOW, AWESOME, AMAZING, SEXY etc. are sooo overused that they are totally devalued. Most hosts use them and when everyone says the same it doesn't set them or anything they do appart from anyone and anything else. And me, personally, I'm bored to death by it. - Telling people in a club to tip the DJ or donate to the club every 10-15 minutes looks a lot like begging to me. In my opinion once per hour should be enough. - Notices mostly look the same in every club. Rarely do I see a host giving it her personal touch and when they write "KICK ASS TUNES!" in the "What:" field that tells me exactly nothing. I know one single host I really love watching and working with and that's SixHunny Manga. She barely uses any gestures, writes notices people actually WANT to read because they're hillarious, involves everyone in the chat and really gets a talk going and is so funny herself a lot of people come to watch her and not necessarily listen to the DJ. This is my personal opionion on the topic and maybe it's just my mentality that I think hosts should be less generic. I'm looking forward on your points of view You have some very valid points. Your message almost seemed like the entire point is wrapped up in a pretty little bow by name dropping. Sort of loses it's effect when you do that, or at least it will, to some. I've seen it a million times on the forums. As fantastic of a host as this person may be, general discussions should be lept general. I'd leave that tid-bit out and save the personal thank yous and accolades for, well, more personal means like an IM to the person. As for your points on hosts, I feel the same about a lot of DJs. They do some of the very same things, worse even. Many Djs don't actually address the audience at all, or very rarely. Assuming you've got a decent DJ and not just a playlist DJ up there. Interacting with the audience is a role all staff ought to be playing. Many will say that DJs already have a job and a role and cannot interract with the audience while also working. I disagree. I've done it, though it's a lot more fun in rl than in sl. People just don't quite expect the same caliber in sl as they do in rl. . Dancers, management, other staff, etc... they're all responsible for guests having a good time. Or, at least, partially responsible. It's not often you'll find any club where they're all doing all they can, or all they should, at all times. I am also very overly critical of the entertainment industry in sl, most especially DJs. Ok, not critical,. I'm just a cynical ass who can't be pleased by 99% of the so called DJs in sl. So, as a DJ, can you tell me what you do to entertain your guests, other than play music? That question sounds loaded, and a lot more cynical than it ought to. But you've perked my interest ever so slightly. Do you chat in local with all the guessts consistently, or only occasionaly? Do you engage them on mic while spinning? Do you play a playlist you've pre-selected before beginning your set, adding in only requests? When asked for requests, do you make them more than the standard"oh so and so would like to hear" or "so and so would like to dedicate such and such to this and that"? Do you make guests feel welcome? Do you encourage your fellow employees and help them better perform their duties? Because when they perform theirs, you're better able to perform yours. You sort of work hand in hand. Do you do a lot of "don't forget to tip" on air?(even once an hour to many can be seen as begging). What do you do, to make your sets so unique that you deserve more than every other DJ in sl gets? You seem(and I will agree, as it's very true) to be finding that many hosts are pretty cookie cutter. So what do you bring to the table that would make a host say "damn, I can do better than this"? Not that anyone expects you ought to. Anyone, but me, of course. This is part of the reason why I don't go to clubs. I'm too critical when it comes to entertainment in sl, and don't intend to change my ways, either. I expect a lot and most often am left disappointed. I figured that out a long time ago. I still try, but usually still end up leaving just about everywhere in facepalm mode.

Scooby Mode wrote: Was just wondering what are some good ways to keep your account safe from hackers? Besides having a good password, not going to bad links or accepting objects that may harm you. My friend said he has a program that changes his password and IP everytime he logs into SL, he added that a friend of his made it, and I was wondering if there is any other programs out there like that? Is there a way to lock down my account and it can only be opened from my computer? Anyhow, list some good ways to staying safe, there seems to be hackers latel. Don't trust people that say "it's safe, my friend made it". Whether or not the program, or item, truly is safe, doesn't matter. In trusting this person, you're showing you're a gullible sort. That's as bad as leaving your front door open with a "welcome thieves, money's in the freezer" sign on it. There have always been and will always be hackers. The problem isn't that there is more of them, it's that people who never gave it much thought are now doing so, mostly likely because of personal experience with them. Things like that never become important until it's on your own front door for so many. Sad, but true. All of the same safety precautions we have on the rest of the net, apply to sl too. Actually most of the safety precautions we have in most areas of our lives apply. Don't leave your front door unlocked, use protection, don't take rides or gifts from strangers, don't pet animals you don't know, wear your seat belt, arm yourself with both the linguistic and physical skills needed should you encounter trouble...could go on for a while here, but you get the point. Though where they'd each apply, or how, differs, the concepts behind them are the same. There aren't really any special precautions primarily for sl that don't apply elsewhere. But the most important one... Use common sense. If you haven't any, get some, then apply it.

Gadget Portal wrote: Wow, did this whole thing escalate out of control. I just wanted to discuss the validity of taking a random (not personal or directed or 'looking for') post quoting an Internet meme and bringing it in-world. As far as that topic of general contact inworld about forum stuff goes it seems to be more of a personal thing. Some say it's an unwritten rule. But those some only have their experience(s) to go by. I have experiences that say otherwise. It's clear other people do as well. I won't say either one of us is wrong. What I will say is that if you want contact to be on only one medium, you need to do whatever it is you feel necessary to assist others in knowing that. What I mean is no one can read your mind. No one knows if you want all contact to/from/about the forums to remain here. You have to tell them that. You may believe it's the "norm" or "typical" or, whatever, but others may have a differing opinion. On something that really just boils down to personal preference, you cannot expect others to know your preference without any assistance from you. I have participated in online forums, sites, games and whatever else have you probably as long as many others here. While I agree that in some places the forums, boards, groups, associated with them are treated as a totally different entity, this is not the case everywhere. It's not a matter of breaking netiquette. It's not a matter of disrespect. It's not a matter of bad form. None of these things apply when it comes to personal preferences, like this. There is no right or wrong answer. I'm not talking about the particular message received, either, just general contact. You found it bad form to be contacted about forum stuff, inworld. Others might not be bothered at all. I get it all the time from people. If I'm busy, or just don't want to discuss, I just don't answer the IM. For me, it's simple and a non-issue. I can pretty easily ignore things, most days. For you, it might not be a non-issue. You still can't expect people to know this just because, though. I shouldn't have to say this, but, although a reply to Gadget, some yous and whatnot are pretty general as they apply to most people.

Fennal Ferryhill wrote: :SNIP: Snip being mine, of course. While I may understand your feelings, to some degree, and understand why you felt the need to address someone personally elsewhere, to some degree, you really should heed your own advice. You're telling others what they need to do, or not to, what they need to realize, or not realize, how they need to act, or not act. Need I really go on? Aside from that, and this is going to sound strange coming from someone who is extremely long winded, please format your replies. I get tired of reading and/or lose my place, when reading a huge wall of text with no break. Feel free to use my flaws as fodder if you so wish, I don't mind. I'm human, I'm flawed. Just please take into account everyone else has to read what you say. I don't mind if it's 50 paragraphs long. As long as they're actually paragraphs, and not one giant one. Yes, of all the things to be critical of in this thread, I chose the wall of text. That should show you how insignificant I think the original problem-on either end-actually is. ETA: hmm, looks like the emoticons turned my s n i p into n i p wonder if they'll do that in rl for me

Dresden Ceriano wrote: I completely understand what you're saying, but it's not too far off to imagine a scenario where the person in the original photo thought that the photo was so good that they wanted to use it again, not knowing the ramifications of doing so. I honestly see more ignorance here, than ill intent. Hopefully. they now know the ramifications of their actions and will correct them accordingly. ...Dres The added dramatic effect of extra details about the prior club, and it's employees, adds the ill-intent. There's certainly a fair amount of both ignorance and ill-intent here, imo. At least, that's how it reads to me. Wouldn't be the first time I was wrong, for sure. Then again I'm of the camp that believe ignorance of the rules and/or laws doesn't ever excuse breaking them. I'm a bit odd in that right, and it tends to annoy others. I have a bit of a soft heart when it comes to copyright, trademark, etc. issues, and their owners. I stand quite firmly with content creators and tend to have little to no patience with people who ignore when the information is readily available. So I tend to come across as a cynical **bleep** when people discuss using others' work when they shouldn't

LL, aka, the lab as I often refer to them, does take account hacking extremely seriously. Despite what a few people might tell you, and sometimes I wonder about their mental health, this is one issue wherein the lab does not play around. Primarily because, of course, it can cost them money in the end. So, they aren't necessarily doing so to help anyone but their own selves. That said, your friend is lying to you. Not only is she just not giving you all the information, she is lying. I have been in the exact position she is in. Well, almost. I, at one time, owed the lab money too. They'll lock your account faster than you think. Which IS why her initial account was locked, she racked up checks her butt can't cash. That wasn't due to fraudulent charges. If it had been, the lab would have found that out. If both her bank and the lab are in agreement that those are her charges, then they are. I'm not typically the type to side with the lab, or any financial institution either. But I know exactly how one can get in over their own head. Creating a second account was beyond stupid of her. I don't care if you think it's not constructive. She was lucky they didn't lock it before now. When you lose an account, or have one locked, creating another one is actually against the TOS> So, now only does she owe the lab money, now she's breaking TOS. Yet, you still want to defend her. I suppose some might find it commendable of you. I'm not one of those, because it's not. It's nice you want to he;p her, yes, but you're only making excuses for her poor behavior. Tell your friend to pay her bills, and keep her head above water. If you can't pay bills, don't rack up unnecessary ones. Also, don't start pretending someone else did it. Because, as I said, hacking is actually a pretty serious offense and not one the lab takes lightly. That, of all things, is one they will investigate and not just pretend to. Not only will they investigate but they'll also have you and your financial institution do the same. They will work in conjuction with you both. They will even, if necessary, work with local authorities. So no, the lab did not handle anything bad. They did exactly what they should have done to begin with by locking her account. It's also something they don't even do immediately. There are times they will even let you go 30 or 60 days, without paying before doing so. A grace period isn't guaranteed, but they do seem to offer one. Your friend on the other hand, has terrible money management skills and should probably refrain from bringing, or tying any financial information to sl ever again. It's going to keep happening. If she wants money for sl, tell her to earn it in sl. If she doesn't tie any rl financial information to sl, no charges can be made(so, another point she's flat out lying to you on, the lab isn't allowed to just charge things without the information being connected to an account, it would be massively illegal). One bonus, without a connected payment info, she can't cash out, either. But her first step, ought to be paying her bills. Then she can worry about the rest. You, my friend, although your efforts may be commendable *to you, are going to end up looking like a doofus to most for trusting her. She's lying. What she is telling you is NOT how the lab handles these things, or handled her case, by far.

Christin73 wrote: My best advice is just take another pic. It only costs 10L to upload to inventory. Its not worth fighting for. Although alot of copyriting is broken in SL. If you look at everything people make you will see they make things with name brands like Coke,and I even saw a McDonnalds once in SL. Use your best judgment. But, Its just as easy to change the pic. Coke has allowed people to use their images, likeness and such in sl. Some other companies actually have allowed it as well, and find it to be just one more avenue of advertising. Just like some artists allow free use. That said, just because some do it, doesn't make it right for everyone. I hate when people use the "but you see it everywhere else" crap. I see people not wearing their seatbelts all the time, driving while talking on cell phones, driving like idiots, etc. That doesn't mean I should go out and do it too. All rules are broken at one time or another, by at least one person. It doesn't mean others should.

I'll say what others haven't. You and your friend are creating more drama around this than needed. A simple "ok, sorry, we won't use this, thank you for letting me know" communication towards the person who sent you a notice will suffice. Assuming you want(ed) to communicate with the person at all. Which of course, you don't have to do. Whether or not the notice you received is legal, also, doesn't really matter. What struggles or issues the other club had or has is irrelevant to this issue. You added that for the drama effect the same way your friend told you about it. It has nothing at all to do with the issue at hand. I don't care, and neither should you, why they sent the notice at all. I also don't care, and neither should you, how they feel about your friend opening a new club. It's also, not relevant to the actual issue at hand. I'm pretty sure you already knew before you posted that what you did was wrong, and completely lacks any amount of tact or originality. Or else you wouldn't now be saying you'd intended to recreate it anyway. Why would you, or your friend, want to use things from another club? The thought alone sounds stupid. It sounds even stupider when you say your friend told you that club had issues. Which again, takes us right back to, a need for drama. Make a new image, and move on.

Lucretia Brandenburg wrote: Half again as much (or half as much again) means taking half of the one price and adding it to the full price ... 3.33/2 =1.665. 1.665 + 3.33 = 4.995 or rounded up to 5. So a tiny bit more than half again as much. That is not how I have always interpreted that statement. Maybe it's a regional thing, or something. Thanks for the clarity.

Jo Yardley wrote: Either way, I think it is a good idea that Lindens show their noses a little more, even if they are just exploring a bit, have a do-not-disturb-status or fly very high in the sky. It is just nice to see them pop up on your radar, even if they are not there to do anything, it is nice to know that those in charge use their own product. I know for sure that they do know, but well, if they are undercover, we can't really be sure. This is the main point as to why I say what I say about them being inworld. Sure they may be around on alts, but what good does that do us, if we don't know? Merely having them present, and known, makes a difference. Having them present and unkown, does not. If Rod comes in under Joe Blow, who is going to know? More importantly, who is going to care? Why would we? He's an average resident like the rest of us in that scenario. And as much as we love ourselves, we're all pretty average when it comes to that. My impact in sl is no bigger than yours, your mother's, or even your dog's. People who can SEE the powers that be in game, will, often, feel better about them. Even if it only gives us the idea that they might care, it's enough to restore our faith in them. Of course there are all kinds of ways their appearance(s) in sl could be made better, or have more of an impact. That, is probably best left to another thread though. If I were Rod, I'd want to have a much larger impact on my customers than he does currently. I would want my staff to know my product in and out, through and through. Because I don't think one can offer supoort for a product they don't know. Then again, I despire the whole scripted support thing, so that probably feeds my opinion a great deal. If I were the CEO, I would make certain my customers know I care. I would make certain all my staff care-or they wouldn't be my staff, period. I would improve the customer service. Which, for me, also includes customer appreciation and understanding. They can't do this without more experience. I do honestly doubt many people when they say "lindens are inworld all the time, just not on linden names". If they really were, they'd understand the trials, errors, problems, bugs, and frustrations so much more. They don't, though. The reason they don't, is because they're not around to experience them. So, until someone can actually prove to me they truly do understand them, I will continue to believe the inworld appearances are as low as I currently believe they are. They really did used to be a LOT more frequent. Having them do so made a much larger impact than anyone is willing to admit, it seems. At least anyone at the lab. There is no reason to be undercover as much as people claim they are. Sometimes, yes, and it's definitely needed. All the time, or most? Absolutely not, that's just a ridiculous excuse. But this has been an issue for some time now, and I don't have faith it will be changed anytime soon. (ftr, I am also in the mesh group created by them as well, others too, it's not nearly as active as it ought to be and the primary users of that group are residents, not lindens-but that's a different topic for a different day)

Phil Deakins wrote:. Your point is irrelevant though, because your own currency doesn't prevent you from seeing that buying L$ from Anshe will cost approximately half as much again as buying from the one at the top of the list. If you really want it listed in US$, you could always do your own research, and post a list of those that accept US$, together with cost comparisons I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure you got that "half as much" part wrong. 4.79 EUR is not half of 3.33 EUR. Or did you word that backwards? Though, even if you did 3.33 isn't even remotely havle of 4.79 either. From the looks of it, on that chart Anshe is the most expensive, still, as in for $1000L you're going to be paying 4.79 EUR(and for USD conversion that's $6.27 for every $1,000L, roughly, as of today anyway). It's not hard to convert to USD from EUR, or any other currency. As an aside... to buy L directly from the sl website-which for those who don't need to use a TPE, is the most common method, it will cost me $4.05 USD (3.09 EUR) for $1,000L today. That's a pretty big difference between some of the most expensive TPE and the lindex directly. I feel bad for anyone that HAS to use those more pricey TPEs, thats just sad, and seems wrong in so manyw ays. As much as I support commerce and charging fees for various things when needed, I would love to see where those added fees go.

holy typos Ignore them, I'm dosed up on sinus meds, and too lazy to fix.