Leia36

*shrugs, that's what happened.

I hang out on a private sim that touts itself as 'the most popular destination in SL' During the last week we have had a number of times gone over 100 AVs (107 on saturday night) on the sim and I had no problems TPing in as a basic, non premium account. So this idea that somehow most basic users are missing out is taking things to an extreme. I doubt most people really care and have far more pressing issues in their lives.

I have lost 2 friends in my years in SL, with whome I had skyped for years. Both were fairly devastating, however the second was much more personal. The second was part of a group of friends that used to meet in rl, rent a house on the beach in georgia twice a year for many years. in that case I had formed a bond with his eldest 15 year old son, and the son's devastation was so acute that I felt it deeply. We had a memorial for him in SL and about 40 of his friends showed up. His permanent memorial is on a sim thats a private sim thats not likely to go anytime soon.

I'm alive, apparently I slept through the whole thing, hello Perrie, its been far to long because shoes duh!

Talk about a necro post ... look on page 2, there is a detailed explination

as per the message 

joal Oddenfen wrote: Hi, no i have left sl1, might look at sl2 when it comes, but i find sl1 only has the mentaly ill left, all the good people have gone. Your comment stings so! woe is me!, I'll just curl up in a corner now and suck my thumb! pass the worms please!

joal Oddenfen wrote: it is my understanding that she was never banned by the lindens, in fact harry linden logged as her for a few days and the word was that she was banned from the forum for her own protection, LOL deluded much? hmm (p.s. congratulations on your self appointed promotion to generalisimo of egotistics) joal Oddenfen wrote: if you dont know who DCS is then dont comment and dont make personal remarks, I DO REPORT She has every right to comment on anything you post on a public forum, so do you. Report her? for what? While this thread is somewhat entertaining, I have a strong suspicion that you are another fine example of someone with too much time on their hands who enjoys playing the "defend a ridiculous statement on a popular forum" game. None of your arguments has any credibility in my opinion and your combative attitude would render any answers I have for your OP as useless, you wont bother to acknowledge any other opinion but your own anyway. p.s. have a nice digital day. :smileywink:

Coby Foden wrote: Perrie Juran wrote: Women are not the only ones who can get a weird feeling. Can you elaborate a bit? :matte-motes-big-grin: *grins and waits

Your ideas have merit, I just wish that this could be discussed without all the vitriol that has occurred, its an important point that you raise about 18+ there is no place for children in any adult environment

Sure, but if LL excludes adult content, the diamond becomes a pebble on the riverbed of social media.. lets face it, sex sells, its as ancient as adam and eve, love is even more powerful and both will keep driving people to platforms where both may be found and enjoyed/lived.

Gavin Hird wrote: kiramanell wrote: -- so long as the desired result is achieved. The desired outcome is pretty clear in this case; make sure internet service providers operate under the same requirements when it comes to consumer rights, privacy protection, warranties, refunds – what have you, wether they are operating from inside or outside the EU countries. Since the requirements for anyone inside the union is pretty crystal clear at the moment, implementing this should be straightforward. There are some controls that needs to be put in place, however, but they are more technical than legislative. The message for LL with regards to SLv2 is to get their house in order and make sure they have the requirements for marketing into EU ready from day one. And while they are at it, they can start cleaning up the current TOS as everyone would benefit from the European requirements. Then also regulate anything that has to do with content providers in a developer agreement – which is a business to business type contract and not consumer TOS. Iran has banned SL completely, yet Iranians still come to SL... those laws mean sweet nothing, if Germany want's to join Iran, indeed if any government wants to stop access to SL,, good luck to them, Australia almost banned SL at some point ,,

Thomas Galbreus wrote: Seeing themselves in the majority, most people find that sufficient to bask themselves in, don't see the need of a sound argumentation anymore, impertinently ignore clear statements etc. (You are not the worst in that respect, but I think it is appropriate at this point to rub some noses in it.) this is the real issue here, your lack of decorum when discussing this. You seem more interested in goading a response than the actual points discussed. You yourself have also ignored clear statements, read into people's posts what you want to read in them, and consistently stirred up the other posters against you, I am beginning to suspect that you enjoy all this attention far too much. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amethyst Jetaime wrote: The links you provided do NOT say it applies to internet sites that originate outside of Germany. Thomas Galbreus wrote: Wrong. ------------------------------------------ No sir, it is you that is wrong. Germany or any other country does not have the power to dictate to other countries their laws. I do believe 2 world wars were fought somewhat about this kind of mentality. Many people have weighed in on this issue about german law and you sir have been consistently been shown to be wrong, not that you have belaboured those posts, you have simply ignored them which is highly ironic considering that you accuse others of doing the same. -------------------------------------------- Thomas Galbreus wrote: In standard porn only male orgasms are catered for and shown - if female orgasms are shown, then usually faked by terribly bad acting. If young people are influenced by this a lot - poor future women. SL is not standard porn as I understand it, so your assumption is incorrect.

Drake1 Nightfire wrote: Oh, you said bros AND hose... i thought that said IN... you just made my day .. awesome association comedy

Gavin Hird wrote: For the rest I am sure you are as good a googler as I am. As someone who travels the Nordic countries weekly for my job; I pretty much know the sentiment and why virtually nobody from the region are in SecondLife. So you speak on behalf of the entire region when it comes to Second Life, you know every single person's daily activities on the internet? You would need to know these things to back up such a sweeping statement

Gavin Hird wrote: Phil Deakins wrote: I don't know where you live but I'd bet that, if you went into the town cetre and asked people what they thought of SL, you'd find that most them would not even know that SL exists. Perhaps you've found the stigma amongst the few people you know, but that's not the same thing at all. Every time there is something in the press about it, the sex and looser stigma is hung on it. Not so often in the press these days, but still there from time to time. This is also the general impression troughout people you'd ask. – Which is why you hardly find any residents from my country in SL any more. The same can be said of the entire geo region (Nordic countries). There is a problem if you start to assume things about countries based on viewpoint that is not totally informed or based on evidence. Your experience on the internet is your own, and it is wrong to make such sweeping statements. In English there is a phrase that goes something like "you protest overmuch" in other words, those that pour scorn on something may in fact be involved in those same activities in secret. Fact is I know quite a few active people from nordic countries and there has never been any reference made about any stigma, some even post from SL direct to their facebook accounts.

Thomas Galbreus wrote: Phil Deakins wrote: if German Law prohibits German people from some things in SL, then German people are free to avoid them. Well I avoid it, if not alone for that reason. But some people here reported many Germans in SL would rather not be careful about it. You can say it's their fault then if they get in trouble, but perhaps SL should at least warn them. (I don't think it makes sense to prosecute these people for minor offenses like just using pose balls. I think the German law is going to far here, but it does, so if those police officers in SL don't find more severe stuff and get bored, who knows.) Having better age verification can also get the Germans out of trouble and, more importantly, would protect more minors from being confronted with awful stuff. A virtual world without porn would eliminate all these problems and even the perhaps biggest problem of SL, that stigma. This police in SL angle bothers me, here's why: - German as a language is not only spoken by residents or citizens of Germany. - Gaining RL information without consent is against ToS (simplified) - To gain certain information legally would require intervention from LL surely? and if so... - LL could stand to become embroiled in multiple cases daily or weekly when they are already short staffed. It does not seem plausible to me that LL would countenance interference at such a low level from non American authority. (I am not American) A few new people do claim to be RL police "on a mission" or "here to fight for justice in SL" There are even groups who proclaim to be the "SL Police". I wonder if you haven't been deceived.

Drake1 Nightfire wrote: I see, so calling someone a misogynist and their spouse a person who has mental issues for allowing what you call misogynistic behaviour, even thought you have no idea what that behaviour actually is, and saying my wife is self destructive because she is submissive is freedom of speech and not an insult.. got it.. You do realize that you are being the one with the fragile ego here. All you have done is try and force your viewpoint on others. You are trying to suppress everyone that doesn't think like you. By your own admission you don't think women should be allowed to be "submissives" because its misogynistic. You are perpetuating misogyny by telling a woman what she can and can not do with her own body. You are the thing you hate most. You have ZERO rights to tell anyone what they can do. Well said Drake

Phil Deakins wrote: Leia36 wrote: Monalisa Robbiani wrote: Really, that'swhyFacebook,Google, Apple, Disney,flickr, Yahoo,Skype etc. are niche productswhileSL has billions of users, private and corporate. Oh wait, it's the opposite. It's the adult content thatcripplesSL to a niche for "socially inept weirdos" you better not talk about. Um, did you just label us all as "socially inept weirdos"? I think he meant you lot, but not me Oh dear me yes, I must remember to put that on my CV. Good to see you around, Phil. Hey, I think I'll pop around to a few of the university and medical sims to see the "socially inept weirdos" in their natural habitat.

Monalisa Robbiani wrote: Really, that's whyFacebook,Google, Apple, Disney,flickr, Yahoo,Skype etc. are niche products whileSL has billions of users, private and corporate. Oh wait, it's the opposite. It's the adult content that cripplesSL to a niche for "socially inept weirdos" you better not talk about. Um, did you just label us all as "socially inept weirdos"?

You are trying to defend the indefensible, your way would deny any legitimate adult content and drive those who enjoy it to employ subversive means with zero control by the authorities. By creating maturity ratings, Linden Labs has empowered the residents and content creators of second life, not taken that power away. Remove the maturity ratings and people will take advantage of it and you will find more adult content in general areas then there currently is. You seem to have an extremely naive outlook on what actually goes on in Second Life and other virtual platforms, I challenge you to spend an hour or two on a sim of each maturity rating and observe yourself, just how much adult content, from gestures, clothing, chat and voice there is in most areas. This extends into the Internet at large and into RL. Most serious BDSMers that I know, including a few in Germany, take their fantasies to RL or use other programs such as Skype or teamspeak to enjoy their pastime / lifestyle. They use SL mostly for social or educational means within their peer group.

Thanks to Dres for the heads up on this thread. Thomas, In most virtual worlds, you will get some form of adult content. By what you are saying the makers of Star Wars should remove the twilek dancing girls and the elf girls in WoW should be wearing burkhas. There is one thing that both you and the German government can do about it: block it, stop logging on. Oh and by the way good luck with the new Germanistan.

Most welcome hon :smileyhappy:

Try adding to your outfit directly from your inventory. If you have learned how to unpack boxes, then find the folder with the cloting in it. i.e jeans and a tshirt, wear them or add by right clicking the item in the folder in your inventory.

seangold wrote: its just my best pal ex marine hey had his leg blown off, and he ran for the parapletics cant spell it he tried to raise money and argued with a host, he is dead now, but he fought for his country, i recommended sl, my mistake I see this sometimes in RL as well, guy walks into a pub, leveraging off the fact he served in the armed forces, wearing it like a badge, expecting everyone to either bow low in abject adoration and expecting to be treated like some kind of minor deity or Hollywood superstar. You don't see many veterans from older generations blowing their own trumpets every time they encounter an obstacle in life. Fact is, no matter what you have done up to the point where you start to kick off in a club, when you cross that line, all that honour you think you deserve, goes out the window, and you become just another yobo who talks with their fists and lands up in jail .. or in this case, banned. My advice to you is put the medals and uniforms away and just be yourself, act like an adult and maybe have some fun.