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Storm Clarence wrote:Requests the moderators move this "wanted" request to the proper sub-forum Commerce>Wanted.
Oh, I didn't look at the main place they placed this. I just read the title which said "discuss as related to the holidays" or however it was phrased.
Wanted was my first thought, then I quickly glanced and saw they created this area, but this is about events for the Winter and Holiday season.
Sorry, my mistake. I hope someone has some suggestions, as I have been searching about a week, but the places I search only have like perhaps five choices at most. I'm looking for some places with lots of trees to look at.
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Hi, I've searched at least ten places for Christmas trees inworld and haven't come up with anything I've liked as some look too cardboardy to me and not very 3D.
Anyone have any suggestions where there is a huge selection of Christmas trees that I can look at? I searched for a Fae or Elven tree and didn't find anything either, though would love a tree in a Fae style if there are any. (I have a Fae tree in rl with Fae's, butterflies, flower ornaments, etc, but haven't seen anything like this inworld or on MP). Also, one decorated with Angels or at least an Angel on the top of the tree in a traditional style I might also like, but with inworld search I haven't found anything I like.
Also, any ideas on what might not look so cardboardy? Any good sculpty trees out there that might look a little more 3D? I'd like to find some places with a large assortment. Also, I purchased an inexpensive tree on MP, but it was very tiny. So, for a tree, I'd prefer inworld looking only.
If you have any good suggestions and about how many prims to not have such a cardboardy looking tree would be appreciated. My search has been getting me nowhere close to finding anything.
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Venus Petrov wrote:Mayalily wrote:
I don't understand your reply unless you are trying to say that learning about war will benefit me personally. If that is the case,how would learning more about war benefit me personally? I read the Diary of Anne Frank, and learned a lot there, but reading that book didn't actually benefit me in any way. Governments do what they want to do whether the people like it or not. The President of the United States makes decisions for war, not the people.Other than achieving a deeper understanding of human motivations, decisions, mistakes and successes, I have no clue.We can remember war, but some of the stories are tainted and piecey at best, especially the Hollywoodized versions of some.
ETA: However, the movie "The Reader" definately broke the molded formula for Hollywood movies, and is a great movie. I'd definately recommend that one!
As far as reading books about war, well the American's have their version, the Japanese their version, and so on and so on. Too many sides to the story of war and most are far too depressing. I know about war and what the different sides have said here and there. Everyone has a different side to the story.
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GrimSoul wrote:joy of joys i can't log in again and there is no infomation given on any problums 2nd life maybe having.
I've logged in twice this morning.
It's probably the region you are trying to enter, try a different region.
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Jo Yardley wrote:Mayalily wrote:Jo Yardley wrote:Sometimes you have to watch, read or learn stuff you'd rather avoid.
Why? I don't believe I have any power to change anything. I wanted to protest the Iraq war, but there were no protests near me. So, I just lived with it every day, though thought it an unjust and unscrupulous war by Bush and Cheney and their oil cartel. Why should I watch and learn it when there is nothing I can do to change it? I just don't like it, and especially the Hollywood war movies are so glorified that's it's just some stupid Hollywood formula movie. As far as ancient war documentaries, I find them boring, and would rather watch the jewelry channel as I at one time designed my own jewelry and I consider jewelry a true art form, so I'd rather study jewelry including it's folklore and it's design. I currently don't design any jewelry, but I love watching what certain designers do, as art is a huge part of who I am, and there are only so many hours in a day, so it's called learning to use your time wisely. Also, I enjoy my own interests and hobbies with my time budget. Time is not endless, so sometimes we have to pick and chose what we do with our time and how it benefits us personally.You just made my point.I rest my case.I don't understand your reply unless you are trying to say that learning about war will benefit me personally. If that is the case, how would learning more about war benefit me personally? I read the Diary of Anne Frank, and learned a lot there, but reading that book didn't actually benefit me in any way. Governments do what they want to do whether the people like it or not. The President of the United States makes decisions for war, not the people.
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Jo Yardley wrote:Sometimes you have to watch, read or learn stuff you'd rather avoid.
Why? I don't believe I have any power to change anything. I wanted to protest the Iraq war, but there were no protests near me. So, I just lived with it every day, though thought it an unjust and unscrupulous war by Bush and Cheney and their oil cartel. Why should I watch and learn it when there is nothing I can do to change it? I just don't like it, and especially the Hollywood war movies are so glorified that's it's just some stupid Hollywood formula movie. As far as ancient war documentaries, I find them boring, and would rather watch the jewelry channel as I at one time designed my own jewelry and I consider jewelry a true art form, so I'd rather study jewelry including it's folklore and it's design. I currently don't design any jewelry, but I love watching what certain designers do, as art is a huge part of who I am, and there are only so many hours in a day, so it's called learning to use your time wisely. Also, I enjoy my own interests and hobbies with my time budget. Time is not endless, so sometimes we have to pick and chose what we do with our time and how it benefits us personally.
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Jo Yardley wrote:Mayalily wrote:
No, I don't like anything about war so I never read any war poetry nor was ever introduced to any in school. I also don't like nor watch war movies. I can't stand them as a form of entertainment. I liked Saving Private Ryan and usually chose that one to watch on a Veteran's Day holiday; however, All Quiet on the Western Front is hailed as one of greatest anti-war war novels and movies of all time. So, I have watched All Quiet on the Western Front, but that was a while ago, and didn't watch any war movies this Veteran's Day weekend. I don't care for war related things and do not like war movies nor watch them. I'm into girlie girl things, and have no interest in watching war movies.However, this dictator from Iran does scare me a little, so I do read what is going on about that.The more you dislike war, the more you should learn about it.Watching war movies isn't about being girlie or boylie (?!), it is about understanding the past, making sure it won't happen again.War is part of my life, every day.I educate people about the past, war is horrible but also very interesting as it brings both the worst and best in humans come to the surface.I know you do Jo, and that is great. No, all women have to be like me or are like me. But, I find war movies depressing, and I am and always will be anti-war. I have no interest in watching war movies. I am a girlie girl, and I'd rather spend my time watching the jewelry channels or decorating shows. It's who I am. I have always been a girlie girl. I love beauty, fashion, the gorgeous artistry of well-made antiques. There are many things I love about history, but war is not one of them, although war is often in the background in many movies, isn't it? However, I don't watch those what I call "blast 'em up war movies". I'd rather surround myself with beauty whenever and whereever I can. Even when I go to a museum, I avoid the war stuff. I'd rather go look at the pretty stuff.
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Sy Beck wrote:Mayalily wrote:Sy Beck wrote:Err....Wilfred Owen was English and not German, so no. Also, Owen died one week before the end of WW1 and the book was written in 1929.
I remember a bit of the movie "All Quiet on the Western Front" and I do kind of recall the main character was a poet. I find that interesting that there was actually a real war poet. "All Quiet on the Western Front" is fiction though which can be inspired by any real life person. Doesn't have to be a character in the same country when writing fiction, as fiction can by "inspired by"...You've seriously never known of any war poets or that they existed?No, I don't like anything about war so I never read any war poetry nor was ever introduced to any in school. I also don't like nor watch war movies. I can't stand them as a form of entertainment. I liked Saving Private Ryan and usually chose that one to watch on a Veteran's Day holiday; however, All Quiet on the Western Front is hailed as one of greatest anti-war war novels and movies of all time. So, I have watched All Quiet on the Western Front, but that was a while ago, and didn't watch any war movies this Veteran's Day weekend. I don't care for war related things and do not like war movies nor watch them. I'm into girlie girl things, and have no interest in watching war movies.
However, this dictator from Iran does scare me a little, so I do read what is going on about that.
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Sy Beck wrote:Err....Wilfred Owen was English and not German, so no. Also, Owen died one week before the end of WW1 and the book was written in 1929.
I remember a bit of the movie "All Quiet on the Western Front" and I do kind of recall the main character was a poet. I find that interesting that there was actually a real war poet. "All Quiet on the Western Front" is fiction though which can be inspired by any real life person. Doesn't have to be a character in the same country when writing fiction, as fiction can by "inspired by"...
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Scylla Rhiadra wrote:In memory of all of those hundreds of millions -- soldiers and civilians -- who have perished in the last century through the all-too-human illusion that anything is ever solved by war.Time to put the "same old lie" to rest.This is by Wilfred Owen, who died in action on the Western Front on November 4, 1918,"Dulce Et Decorum Est"Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,Till on the haunting flares we turned our backsAnd towards our distant rest began to trudge.Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hootsOf tired, outstripped Five-Nines that dropped behind.Gas! GAS! Quick, boys! – An ecstasy of fumbling,Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;But someone still was yelling out and stumblingAnd flound'ring like a man in fire or lime . . .Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.In all my dreams before my helpless sight,He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.If in some smothering dreams, you too could paceBehind the wagon that we flung him in,And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;If you could hear, at every jolt, the bloodCome gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cudOf vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues, –My friend, you would not tell with such high zestTo children ardent for some desperate glory,The old Lie: Dulce et decorum estPro patria mori.
How, interesting, that person was a "war" poet.
I wonder if the character in the movie "All Quiet on the Western Front" and the character in the German book by a different title was written about this person?
Paul Bäumer
Paul Bäumer is the main character and narrator. At 19 years of age, Paul enlists in the German Army and is deployed to the Western Front where he experiences the severe psychological and physical effects of the war. Before the War, Paul was a creative, sensitive, and passionate person, writing poems and having a clear love for his family. But as the war changed his attitude and personality, poems and other aspects of his past life become something Paul could not remember having any link to, and he learns to disconnect himself from his feelings. He feels he can't tell anyone about his experiences, and feels like an outsider where his family is concerned.
By the end of the book, Paul realizes that he no longer knows what to do with himself and decides that he has nothing more to lose. The war appears to have snuffed out his hopes and dreams, which he feels he can never regain.
Anyhow, we can strive for peace, but Iran just recently claimed they have a missle that will strike Israel. Iran has had several articles now eluding to possibly targeting Israel soon that just came out about a week ago. I think this dictator of Iran is as crazy as Hitler.
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Void Singer wrote:Mayalily wrote:[...] There are no male fairies. [...]
Wouldn't poor Oberon be so sad to here this...Alternatively he could be a reference to Freyr or Ing, who is the traditional 'King of the Elves' in Germanic mythology.[2]
[edit] French heroic song
The name Oberon got its literary start in the first half of the 13th century from the fairy dwarf Oberon that helps the hero in the chanson de geste, titled Les Prouesses et faitz du noble Huon de Bordeaux. When Huon, son of Seguin count of Bordeaux, passed through the forest where he lives, he was warned against Oberon by a hermit, but his courtesy had him answer Oberon's greetings, and so gain his aid in his quest: having killed Charlot, the Emperor's son, in self-defense, Huon must visit the court of the amir of Babylon and perform various feats to win a pardon, and only with Oberon's aid does he succeed.
This elf appears dwarfish in height, though very handsome; he explains that at his christening, an offended fairy cursed him to the height (an example of the wicked fairy godmother folklore motif), but relented and as compensation gave him great beauty. As Alberich features as a dwarf in the Nibelungen, the dwarfish height was thus explained.[3]
The Wikipedia about Oberon talks about him being an elf or a drawf elf also.
Anyhow, I'm talking about the modern form of fairy dress which is an offshot of the gothic and emo movement in dress which involves the wearing of flowered clothing and jewelry, whispy fabrics, fairy style glitter, but especially flowers everywhere. Oh, and lots of butterflies and dragonflies, plus there are fairy skirts. There are some unisex shirts I do recall, but the women's is cut a little differently, and the men's are sleeveless in style.
@ Griffin, I don't see too many man (actually) none at all dressed in ferns where I live, but I like the look for SL and RL. That kind of looks like a wood nymph though also.
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Griffin Ceawlin wrote:Mayalily wrote:That picture of Tinker Bill looks like an elf with wings.Hmmm. I asked for concrete evidence, not badly drawn boy fairies presented as same.As far as warlocks, oh. But, there are not men allowed in covens, not that I know of.
Some covens are limited to males or females only, others are specifically for gay Pagans, and some are for families and married couples and exclude single members.In Gardnerian Wicca,covens are as much as possible composed of male/female pairs for balance.Oh, well see I'm not really Wiccan, but I find that logical and fair.
As far as men wanting to dress the fairy style in real life, I have no problem with that. I have seen these unisex type of t-shirts that are sort of tie dyed in very rich, dark colors with roses or other flowers in them. Those look cool on a guy. I like those t-shirts on both men and women. Perhaps I should consider designing a fairy line of clothing for men? There is some that is cool, but it not well know yet.
ETA: I think men might look cool in rich toned tied dyed butterfly t-shirts as well.
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Griffin Ceawlin wrote:Mayalily wrote:There are no male fairies.I beg your pardon? I know what I am! Please provide concrete evidence for your statement.There are no male witches either. Male witches are called Warlocks.
The termwarlockin origin means "traitor, oathbreaker". In early modern Scots, the word came to be used as the male equivalent of witch (which could in origin be male or female, ...andThe term warlock is actually a misnomer and has been readily applied to the male-practicing witch. The word, warlock came from the 14th century and is a way to describe a man who practices black magic.ETA: No male fairies. Ha, I say!That picture of Tinker Bill looks like an elf with wings. I rest my case. lol
As far as warlocks, oh. But, there are not men allowed in covens, not that I know of. So, how can thar be male witches if they aren't allowed in covens to my knowledge? However, there are always exceptions, such as they can cook.
However, in real life, the fairy form of dress comes not only with a lot of glitter but with a lot of flowers and butterflies, but especially a lot of flowers; flowers in your hair, in your earrings, in your necklaces, in your dresses, in your shoes, everywhere. Fairy dress is a form of gothic dress and is a description of a style of dress such as preppy or athleisure.
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Griffin Ceawlin wrote:Mayalily wrote:In real life I am a fairy.As I revealed in a different thread yesterday... me, too!
You wear flowers in your hair in real, too? Let's see the pics. I want evidence!
There are no male fairies. You are an elf. Silly men. If you want to be of the order of Fae, you will have to cut your family jewels off as there are no expections to the order of Fae.
There are no male witches either. Male witches are called Warlocks. Again, silly men.
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Venus Petrov wrote:Oh interesting Maya! Start up another thread and embellish! Will other fairies come out to play? I cannot wait.
Sadly, fairies go to sleep after the Summer Solstice, but we will be back in the Spring in real life grabbing our butterfly collection of necklaces off their hangers and back on our necks.It's hard to be a fairy in the cold, as our wings would freeze. Our wings will return when it's warming and the early blossoms start to bloom.During hibernation, we may wear sneakers and jeans and look just like everyone else, although we may be glowing with glow-in-the-dark glitter under all that thermal we wear to try to keep warm. We have had some of the coldest Winters I've ever experienced in my life time here in Southern California, and yes we can get down below 30 degrees, but it very, very rarely snows, but when it does snow, we think it looks exactly like fairy dust and glitters like diamonds.Fairies may hang with the witches after the Summer Solstice as we have stored and dried lots of garlic for them to make roast chicken in order to scare the Vampires to their bloody death. We all smell so fragrantly of yummy garlic, that potential S/O's follow us around like we are a walking dish of pasta, but a Vampire never bothers us and we all sleep sweetly in our little hibernating beds, dreaming of the next little green shoots of Spring to appear after the first evening star appears. It's so lovely being a fairy and visiting witches, that our dreams even sparkle with stars, especially the first evening star, which is the signal when the fairies will start to rise and shine once again. -
You know Carole, I need to tell the truth, too.
In real life I am a fairy. A lot of people I am sure no nothing of the "fairy movement" which is part of the gothic style of clothing, except fairies are not dark, we are light. IOW, fairies, love to wear glitter and sparkle. Glitter in our eyeshadow, glitter in our nail polish, shimmering body lotion which is so pretty. We wear a lot of flowers in our hair in real life and soft willowy fabrics that flow with the wind and fabrics as soft as gossamer and trimmed with more flowers. We wear flower rings and flowery hair pins in our hair.
This is about all there is to the "fairy movement" look in clothing, hair and skin style in real life. It's merely a style of dress called "fairy" although there were fairy skirts for awhile a few years back of which I have many.
Fairy is merely the opposite of the dark gothic look, but is still sort of part of the gothic look.
So yes, fairies do exist in real life, and I consider myself one. Although it's getting cold now, so I switch in the cold months to a little more gothic look in clothing and miss my fairy stuff during the cold and drab wintery months.
We do not cast spells on our S/O's sports, we just send them into another room by blasting Celtic music and dancing in the living room with our tambourines. And yes, I do have bottles of fairy dust, for real. Not kidding.
I will always be a fairy in rl, except when it's too cold.
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Dresden Ceriano wrote:Mayalily wrote:Well, the IM's are at the top now which is a strain on the neck.@ Monitor photos in this thread, that is an old style monitor, so that is a bit outdated as ergonomically correct.I still refuse to pay for anything until some announcement is made when the viewer is coming out of beta and shows us the DONE VERSION.You know, they could have created the viewer THEN asked us to test run for a month or so and give feedback, and then from the feedback, they could have gotten the finished version done.
I guess you won't be paying for anything in SL ever again then. There is always gonna be a beta viewer because they are always working on improvements. If you don't like a beta viewer then go back to a version you like or find a TPV that works for you. You mentioned Phoenix earlier... there's no reason why you can't still use Phoenix. In fact, there will soon be a version of Phoenix that supports mesh, if that's a concern.If you don't mind me asking, do you happen to wear bi-focals? I ask this because I can see, immediately, how that would make it more difficult to read massages on the top of your screen. Of course, the solution is still the same... use a viewer you are comfortable using....DresNo, I don't wear bi-focals. I was born far-sighted and have had near vision problems since about age 11 when it was discovered.
As far as going back to Phoenix, that messaging system is at the top also from what I remember.
No, I'm not changing a bunch of viewers again. Been there, done with that.
And, I know a lot of people who play completely for free, and I am joining them.
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Void Singer wrote:Mayalily wrote:[...] well that than stands to reason that messaging up top came before large LCD screens. [...]
I'm not sure that's an accurate portrayal.... 4:3 monitors do seem to work out better with top or bottom cutouts (wider field of vision), whereas widescreen formats (16:10, 16:9) tend to work better with left/right cutouts, or balanced around the frame.for instance I use a 24" 16:9, and place items to the left and right with the chat history top left, and the minimap top right, both always open... I prefer the top placements in the corners because UP is not a dirrection most people tend to look or build for... my inventory goes on the right , the edit window is often open on the left, and I keep IM's on the bottom left (because I rarely keep it ope constantly). I'm not suggestting this layout is better, but it ismypreference for SL to keep my central view uncluttered with the most usable range of view in focus.Well, the IM's are at the top now which is a strain on the neck.
@ Monitor photos in this thread, that is an old style monitor, so that is a bit outdated as ergonomically correct.
I still refuse to pay for anything until some announcement is made when the viewer is coming out of beta and shows us the DONE VERSION.
You know, they could have created the viewer THEN asked us to test run for a month or so and give feedback, and then from the feedback, they could have gotten the finished version done.
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Coby Foden wrote:How's your monitor located?Something like this this? :smileysurprised: (That person's neck muscles are screaming of pain!) :smileysad:
Monitor should be placed low, something like in the photo below, to avoid muscle strain.
The monitor should be tilted so that the top edge is further than the lower edge, like in the photo. No need for giraffe neck, nor to stress normal human neck with awkward angle, to see things on top.I've seen that some people to tilt the monitor so that the top edge is closer and and the lower edge is further in an effort to avoid glare from lighting fixtures. That is the worst possible thing to do! It will lead to discomfort. The proper way to do it is to fix the glaring lighting, and not to tilt the monitor in awkward position.(The photos show old 4:3 aspect ratio CRT monitors, but this works on modern widescreen 16:9 and 16:10 aspect ratio LCD monitors as well.)
Nothing like the first picture, no. I have a fully supporting office chair somewhat like the second picture, and I do not like craning my neck downwards to look at a monitor either as in the second picture. I did that and got neck strain from looking down so the first line that separate this post is about where my eyes fall, but I use enlarge font as I am far-sighted (I have near vision problem, not far vision problems), so with an enlarge font feature in use, there is no way to explain where my eyes fall, but they fall with my head completely straight and neither looking up nor looking down, thus causes no neck strain whatsoever because my head and neck and shoulder are in good posture looking straight ahead like when one watches TV in a chair.
I still refuse to spend until LL starts becoming forthright and let's us know when this is out of beta, as I was pretty fed up with beta testing by the Summer. I am not uninstalling and reinstalling a bunch of viewers again which wrecked my last machine and I got thousands of tickets from Microsoft because uninstalling/reinstalling caused registry errors and all kinds of problems. I'm not wrecking my new machine because they don't know how to run a business, nor hire skilled people. No one can tell me that it's logical that LL couldn't have hired developers to get this done MONTHS AGO!
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Sy Beck wrote:Have you thought about moving your eyes to look, sitting back from the screen or even making the viewer window smaller? Nobody should ever be getting a sore neck from having to look around their monitor. Just looking at my monitor I can work out that it would have to be at least another 2ft taller before I would even have to think about moving my head to look.I'm using FS and if it case that the chat box can't be moved or anchored elsewhere then that's a bit of functionality they should look at as a hotfix or in the next version.
That's not going work. Looking up at IM's is like looking up at your home button all day long. Someone in this thread mentioned this was a function people liked from V1, well that than stands to reason that messaging up top came before large LCD screens. People like large screens now, I cannot look up top to read messages without craning or hurting my neck. I took out this new viewer and am using the one before.
I certainly hope they make the messaging system make sense before I continue to spend money on something that is going to become unusable for me.
They should have kept Phoenix viewer working, and just had someone build the proper viewer and then you pay a few people to test run the viewer, you don't test run your product on your customer's from March to November with no end in sight. I've never heard of such daft business practices in all my life.
I'm not taking out any more lindens until LL becomes forthright and ethical and let's people know when the viewer is going to be out of beta, as frankly I am thoroughly sick of all this beta being tested by me and other's for FREE. They want their customer's to do their job for them instead of spending the money to pay a qualified person to build a viewer. Also, the posts on this forum said they were in beta to get the bugs out, not to keep changing the UI. With LL, their story is always changing from one week to the next. As far as spending, I'm not taking out any more lindens and will play for free until this is out of beta because this is not a normal way to run a business by making your customers do unpaid work for you.
Thumbs down from me to the CEO of this company. He's lost my confidence in his ability to run a company.
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Perrie Juran wrote:
Todays November update,, sounded really good. The new UI looks really great and the stated flexibility sounds fabulous. Of course we will have to wait and see what is under the hood, but I think this looks really good.What I find very exciting is that it appears that LL is finally listening to the greatest experts it has on how to make the In World experience the best: It's residents.But still, I think some at the Lab still don't get it. To quote whoever Linden Lab is:"With the launch of the new Second Life Viewer on Nov. 8, Second Life Residents can now customize their user interface for a more flexibleworkspace."Maybe technically speaking in proper computer jargon you could refer to the UI as a work space, but really to at least me as a user I never think of it as such. I see it as a portal into this wonderful world that we call "Second Life." It is a portal into an amazingly vibrant and wonderful virtual reality or world.Maybe you have a different term for it or way of looking at it. But I doubt if there are but a few who would call it a "workspace!" Portal is the best term I know.So I find this exciting and I am hopeful there will be more good things to come. It sure does appear to me that the Lab is finally starting to listen, though I am left with the impression whoever wrote that blog post still doesn't quite get it yet.
See that number 78 in the upper right corner? That's where we'd have to talk in IM and receive our notices. My neck hurts from just using for it just one hour as I have a large LCD screen and I'm not a giraffe who can crane my neck that high, nor do I have eyes that pop up like antenae out of the top of my head.
Frankly, I am sick of this and these viewers. I've gone through at least 20 viewers since March, and I am having a very hard time believing that LL cannot find someone who can build a workable viewer in all these months. I find this so unprofessional... I'm beginning to doubt LL's sanity.
Just hire someone and get it done already! What is the problem? How hard can that be? There are probably thousands of people who could have been hired and gotten this job of a workable viewer done months ago? What is wrong with LL? They don't seem to understand business very well if you ask me. This is NUTZ with all these viewers. I'm pretty sick of it right now as it recked my last machine. Now I have a new machine, and still no properly working viewer? Sorry, for ranting, but I've never seen a business so poorly run in my entire life.
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Psistorm Ikura wrote:First of all, let me say that LL has made some interesting steps with 3.2, back to the 1.x style of buttons and floaters. Now let me also say that I feel that 3.2 should not have been released. At all.Because what does 3.2 do? It turns the sidebar into configurable buttons and merges the few basic mode additions in. It however, tries to turn things like the friend menu, optimized for a tall, vertical space, into a near quadratic floater. this is bad. It also turns away from a design method - the sidebar - which has been around for months since 2.0 got released. Again, bad. It also moves UI elements around and destroys - imho - things that were good about the v2.0 design. once more, bad.What should be done different? Let me say im very much in favor of the idea of configurable buttons, and lots of screen space, but some essentials are lacking here, and lacking bad.
- Window docking. Why isnt this in? 1.23 didnt have it. 2.x had the sidebar. 3.2 doesnt have it again. I would like to keep the sidebar-like behaviour personally, and would like the option for my floaters to always dock on one side of the screen if desired, when the button is pressed to make them show. Have the viewer remember those preferences for me. Docking the friend/group list etc would be very nice and simplifies things for me.
- Dividers in the button bars. Why arent those in? Let us place divider spaces to better organize buttons into themed groups.
- The local chat. Oh god what the hell. 2.x´s chat docked into the bottom bar and was very low profile. 3.2´s chat is... a floater with chatbar and chat window merged into some weird amalgamation that can not be seperated. Please for the love of pete give us the option to dock the chat into the bottom bar. just the bar, no frills, just like it was in V2. bar and up/down button for local chat window.
- Nothing was really changed. You merged the avatar selector - ill get to that in a moment - and you made buttons configurable. Thats the glorious UI revamp that was talked about. You havent even touched the sidebar-to-floater design change at all. you just made the sidebar windows into badly crushed floaters. The build menu still is cluttered and very filled. Feature-richness is good, but this needs tidying up. If you want floaters badly, optimize them for space. And again, let us dock windows.
- The avatar selector. I know this is for newbies to select their basic avatar. But sit with me a moment, LL, and think about how fricken awesome itd be if I could use it to instead manage my outfits. I could visually see what my outfit looks like and switch to it. I think generating thumbnails when saving an outfit wouldnt be hard to do automatically, and really, itd increase the use people could get out of the avatar selector. Give us an option to dump the standard LL selections and instead bring up our own gallery of avatars.
- Mini location bar and "address bar". Ok, i will be honest. The address bar is imho the single most useless thing ive seen. Sorry to be so blunt, but for me, I wont ever type in a second life location, SLURL works just fine. I just dont need anything taking up about 10% of my screen height just so i can see my current location in big letters and perhaps move elsewhere a tiny bit faster. I would much rather keep it optional like it is now, or work on a better, more compact way of handling landmarks. As for the mini location bar, please put it inside the menu bar. You can collapse the information shown in it if there is not enough room, with a mouseover showing the full name. So you would have your (I) button, your parcel flags, then the sim/parcel name and coordinates. If its too long, you truncate the parcel name string with a mouseover tooltip. Frees up precious screenspace, and removes that little sticking out bar. 1.23 did it, 2.x should do it too!
- Please leave us the option to select which corner the notification menu docks at. Top right, for me, is unintuitive and cumbersome compared to the previous location. Just leave us a choice here too, follow through on your maxime of customizeability.
So how would I sum this up? Basically the idea is to give us the maximum amount of customizeability. Let us configure the UI exactly how we want it. Someone wants a more 1.x based look? Sure. Someone wants floaters and to dock some things into the sidebar? Sure. And someone wants 2.x styled sidebar-like goodness? Sure! Dont just throw arrangeable buttons at us, which are really the most minor feature UI wise, then force floaters back on those who got used to the sidebar. Let us actually have a choice. Dont try and pull a "dazzle" on us two or three times in a row, introducing harsh interface changes without going the easy route, namely just letting us custuomize it.Ive worked with SL for years, and earn my salary exclusively here. SL has great potential, but the UI as it stands with 3.2 needs more work. Just hold off on 3.3 or 3.4 and instead, do it right. Release a complete, finished concept, which allows your users to pick a 1.x, 2.x, or whatever style they want. Sidebar-floaters, docked windows, floating windows, docking chat, docking IM´s and notifications to different corners... there is so much potential, use it!
Personally, I am really sick with all these viewers I've had to go threw since March. It's been through at least 20 viewers, and this is a little nutz. Just hire someone who can make a useable viewer already. This is so unprofessional, it's not even funny. Hire someone who knows how to build a viewer. How hard can that be?
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Bobo Bolero wrote:The NY TImes reported on November 6 - in an article by Quentin Harvey - that Second Life founder Philip Rosedale has put his efforts and enthusiasm into a work exchange service called "Coffee and Power." Does this new interest signal the demise of Second Life? In the article Rosedale refers to Second Life in the past tense.“The problem with creating an immersive 3-D experience is that it is just too involved, and so it’s hard to get people to engage,” he said. “Smart people in rural areas, the handicapped, people looking for companionship, they love it. But you have to be highly motivated to get on and learn to use it.”it's unclear to me if SL is in his past or if it will soon be in our shared past as well. What do you think? Does Second Life have a future?
It's interesting how that article came out just when this latest viewer was released. I noticed on this latest viewer that it seems they have merged advanced and basic into one viewer as you can pick up a complete avatar now on advanced, which would be easy for many people and beginners. However, I don't like this new viewer for myself. The IM's are at the top of the screen which makes me crane my neck to try to read the messages, and they removed the camera icon completely and there is only an ability to reach the camera by finding it in the top menu, so the camera positions are a little weird and off for those of us who love SL photography.
Anyhow, with newest viewer you can get a complete avatar on advanced now. I guess they are merging the two together. There is also a button below on the lower tool bar to connect directly to live help and a live help window inworld (but you have to pay for that to be activated, I'd guess?).
The viewer is not for me though because the messaging system is at the top to the far right and that's too far to see when you have a large screen LCD like I do. I might rupture a disc in my neck or something.
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Braun Ulrik wrote:I just received the newest viewer download today. Version 3.2.0.244443. I'm not sure what has been going on at Linden Labs, but this is not a step towards the future. The navigation is flawed compared to what I had this morning. I don't want to be complaining about all this, but I don't think everyone else will be happy with this new viewer. I just want to know if anyone knows where I can roll back to the version right before this.
Hi, Yes I just downloaded the new viewer this morning also. I was surprized to see how different it was. I'm not sure what to make of it yet, and I was also thinking of switching back to the viewer before this one. I am used to V2 and V3 and have used Phoenix and FS beta with their different placements of things, and now another change to get used too. What I'm not liking is the destination guide is a little weird on this newest version. Maybe I'll get used to it, maybe I won't. I have to check more on this later as I have rl today. What's going on with the newest viewer is everything is changed around.
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Botanical. Thanks, I'll head there now. I hope I can find a tree soon. I would really love that! Thanks, and off I go!
ETA: Bought it, it was perfect and not cardboardy looking either. And, the lighting effects are lovely! I'm done with my Christmas decorating now! I had stockings up already and put some pies out and an angel, and now I'm done! Thanks for a perfect suggestion; the lighting effects on the tree are terrific. I couldn't be more pleased, and I'm done, too!