Wallace Wirefly

Here's an idea. Why not make Ban Lines INVISIBLE?? Problem solved. No one sees them and when people try and enter ones parcel they run into an INVISIBLE wall! Land looks cleanno sees anything and all can happy happy hippos. I know this is possible come on Linden IF your looking for aesthetics on this brand NEW land that looks nice and clean AND still provides people with privacy and security GIVE it a try. Then see how it looks and works 😋

The first is that at 6am SLT on Wed April 17th, we are going to uncheck the box on the Linden Homes estate that allows parcel owners access restrictions to be more restrictive than the estate. Meaning: no ban lines. It's our belief that with a sense of community being a main goal of Linden Homes, ban lines send the wrong message. Parcel owners can still ban troublesome individuals by name on their parcel but they will not be able to put their land in virtual lock down by restricting access to group only. Ok so let see LL advertises NEW LINDEN HOMES!. Show cases them before hand. Now NOWHERE is it stated it would different than the FIRST Linden homes except as to style and land area. Nicer homes..and MORE LAND. Sounds GREAT! Ok LETS move!! So we abandon our old LL home and grab one of the new style homes. Move in start to decorate and such. Seems nice. Setup land JUST LIKE last LL home. AND THEN BAM!!! LL SUDDENLY decides that HEyyy we want to be a KUMBAYA LOVE THY NEIGHBORS. SORRY but CAN NOT have Ban lines. Well so why NOW! Why not tell us ahead of time?? So from reading all the last HUNDREDS of comments there doesn't seem to be any one reason. BUT one thing I DO KNOW about SL ..it is: there are ALL kinds of "people" in SL. What LL is telling us is that we are to share whatever we are doing in this fancy brand new home with ALL those people. We ALL know that the PRIVACY thingy ..you know the thing that ALL land has when set: This parcel hides avatars and text chat from another parcel. You can't see other residents outside the parcel, and those outside are not able to see you. Regular text chat on channel 0 is also blocked Well that has become TOTALLY useless. So why have??? We ALL know that once one is on the Parcel it NO longer applies. Also with ability to set parcel like older LL homes one could NOT easily just cam over a sit on any sit object and invite themselves into any of your private moments in YOUR HOME. Before when the Allow Anyone was NOT set when one would try this is the message they would get : You cannot sit because you are not allowed on that land. So from again looking at ALL the hundred of posts...we are to ACCEPT a LL Security. Nice..so not sure what this will provide but if its like most securities one will still have to put up with uninvited guest landing on ones bed or sofa or wherever for a short amount of time before being "ejected" and hoping that this LL device will eject well beyond the parcel and of course they can try AGAIN ...and AGAIN and AGAIN. Until one gets the avatar's name and ADDS to BAN. Well there goes that nice intimate moment with partner or friends while one fights off UNINVITED guest. So lets say we don't mind this intrusion for the sake of BROTHERLY love. How about all the VOYEURS out there. Heck lets roam the neighborhood and stand at corner of parcel and just cam in and get whatever show maybe going on. Cause parcel Hide has become useless. Maybe one can find oneself and others appearing on a YouTube video that would be cool. So for all the Ban LINE haters. Enjoy your lets "all just get along here" at the NEW LL homes. I will watch this Forum in the future to see how this all works out. But having seen what I have seen in SL I would hedge my bets that LL will soon be getting a lot more REPORT ABUSE items then before the NEW homes were added. They better add a few more Lindens to handle the traffic. Cause once the Peeps find out about this new area of interest I am sure all sorts of ALTS will be showing up to test this wonderful brotherly love land and what it has to offer.

So it seems the issue continues? or is it resolved? Some how I think the focus should be on the operation of the "Cache" file system. Since this operation varies with everyone's own system. Does adding animesh along with EEP create more issues than one realizes. How is it "cached"? I know when caehe was first looked at (2007 time frame) there was much discussion about VFS and fragmentation. Would this explain why there is random occurrences? How is the "cache" retrieved? How is it stored on each persons system? I am not a code person but over the years I have seen some pretty bad fragmentation on my HDD in past. My new system is all SDD how well does cache work on SDD? So lets hope the issue isn't buried and lets hope the coders can look at whether "new" innovations are really a benefit to the SL grid before adding. Maybe have a better input from those that use the SL grid for many years. I don't remember having a forum on whether Animesh was something the grid wanted or needed? Again what has it brought to the table that has IMPROVED the grid? Not sold more stuff but improved the overall performance, ease of use. Allowed users with less powerful systems to enjoy the grid as a lot of those with do. Same for EEP. So lets learn from this and keep SL grid going. It DOES have a LOT to offer never forget those who have worked to keep it that way and hopefully bring more in who won't get frustrated over fancy stuff or "virtual" reality that isn't going to happen.

We shall see Whirly. As of yesterday I still "crashed" or "disconnected" however we want to call it. There is an issue and it ONLY happens when tries to TP. Seems it should be easy to understand since tping has been around long time and worked fine (most of the time) until a few months ago.

I understand some of the Jira that was created for this issue. What amazes me is no basic logic used to work this problem out. Instead people send messages to the Jira trying to replicate the problem or people write and blame peoples systems.! Just because YOU haven't had the issue doesn't mean it isn't happening! Seriously..it IS a problem. Now lets look back at when this appeared as a problem or at least started to creep across the grid . Until the roll out of Animesh and this thing called EEP there where few messages about "crashes" or "disconnects" reported. Also I notice that when one crashes or gets disconnected ones avatar "reverts" back to what one was wearing prior to this or apparel disappears. Could this be something to do with inventory moving within the viewer? Inventory is stored on server and that is a HUGE amount and getting bigger all the time. So what has happened in the last couple months that started this? It happens only when one TP's. I have not looked at whether it happens more often when changing servers..ie: Second life main to Bluesteel..or LeTigre to Magnum etc. Sadly it seems we are reverting backwards not forward in the grid. I know we get spoiled from the days when crossing a sim one would "crash"or "disconnect" but it does seem things are introduced into the Grid that really are not tested well before. Before Animesh was introduced I saw some articles about whether it was really a good thing and what load it would put on the Grid. Why it was needed and what it really served as a purpose in SL. Then out of now where suddenly we NEED stars and improvement in the sky? What is EEP? Why?? do people really look at that sky that much and one needs a fairly good system to appreciate it anyway. Ok...so lets borrow some engineers from Sansar and please get this issue resolved we know it can be done because it was FINE for years.

"it happens, things fail, it's the nature of the beast when you run a huge environment like SL, remember this is an active product in development since 2003, some of it is old and legacy and can not be easily redone. " One might remind everyone that it COULD be redone and made better IF instead of wasting money on SANSAR LL could have started a bigger and better platform for ALL SL residents. Back in the "day" people put up with bad platform because it didn't cost a lot. Land was free , nobody knew what the price of $L was going to be and when one was able to login it was fascinating just to see what everyday people were making and doing. So now that we have a "mature" business lets see if LL will really support it or just limp along till "Virtual Reality" of the great and wonderful OZ (SANSAR) comes out from behind the curtain to tell us it really isn't that great.

Now that Linden Lab has upped the fee for buying $L I was wondering if this increase has helped SL. We know that LL increased prims to lands and they reduced charges to land owners. So are all the buyers of $L absorbing the cost of these "improvements"? We see most improvements coming from creators in SL does the increase in fee help them? It is interesting that long ago Linden Lab used to publish data on all sorts of things about second life statistics that stopped so we really have no idea whether second life is profitable or things have improved. We do know that Sansar project has probably used up a bit of money. Are we now paying to recoup that monies? has moving the "grid" to the cloud resources saved money? And has this degraded the performance of the system or improved it? So exactly what has this $0.50 increase in buying $L done for the everyday person in second life or what is this increase for? The floor is open for discussion.

Greetings Whirly. Yes I do believe there is a bug going around groups. Interestingly enough the groups that effect me as to group call and those in those groups are groups that are NOT open to join. So I am not sure if "open" groups are effected since I have not tried making a open group call. What I did notice is that as I moved from one group to another because one would not group call the other groups also stopped working and giving the same error message. So maybe there is something corrupting the code or when one doesn't log out of a call in group the call "hangs" therefore not allowing it to be called again. The names of the groups effected so far for me are: Persharena , House of Sedia, Wirefly House and Reepers Children MC Thanks for your reply and I wish you all good luck on this one. I am sure with you and all the Lindens working along with vivox you'll have it solved in no time ;D

Hello Tommy. I appreciate your response. To answer your question no I have not tried the "official" viewer so I can not say if the issue happens there. Is there some reason why the 3rd party viewer would act differently with vivox ? I am using Vivox 4.6.0017.22050 I imagine that the "official" viewer uses the same. Does the number of groups effect its use? Again thanks for your response. In response to Alwin I find that group voice chat is nice tool when in areas that do not allow voice so friends I am with we can chat instead of type Yes we be lazy..lol. and for some who find typing hurts or are not able to voice comes in handy.

Has anyone else noticed or has issues with group calls using Firestorm? It seems no matter what group is tried when making a call a message appears stating an error has occurred. Is this an issue with the viewer? Do people using SL viewer have this issue doing group voice? I know there has been issues recently with LL and Vioxx is there a limit as to how many can connect to the network because it seems to happen when "Inworld" population gets near the 45-50000 mark. Thanks and my the SL gods smile upon you favorably

No theses avatars are playing the games. I have seen what you refer to and know that exists. Maybe LL allows these IF they are registered to owner though isn't that stacking odds toward owner in Games of Skill??

I have noticed recently that when Second life InWorld population reaches close to 50,000 service begins to degrade. Login issues as well as voice. One wonders is there starting to be a limit as to how many avatars can be InWorld without some degradation of service? Next times there's issues check the number and see.

Ok I sometimes visit the various gaming places in SL. When there I often notice, no matter what gaming place I go to, that there are avatars there with NO payment Info on File. Now when I read Linden's Official gaming policy i see this: Only users that meet the criteria for Skill Gaming are permitted to access Skill Gaming Regions and participate in Skill Gaming in Second Life Have current billing information on file Are at least 19 years of age Do not reside in a prohibited state listed below Are not connecting from a prohibited state Right at top is" have current billing information on file". Now am I missing something or not understanding. Is this the same as Payment Info on File in avatar's profile? Is this policy just random or does it matter? Just wondering how policies work in Second Life. Thanks.

This is getting more frequent. Somehow I think something is going on with LL server side. When one crashes its like ...BAM! Very much like a swarm. DDoS here we come. Someobdy out there doesn't like us ....hmmm wonder who that might be and what purpose do they have in mind.Tune in...ohh wait can't do that....

Hmmm I heard that it was because it was raining in the cloud. Shorted all the servers.

Surprising I thought it would take off..guess not. From what I can tell LL has what I call three monkey policy: Hear No Evil, See No Evil, Speak No Evil. If one follows that premise should be OK. This topic gets about as much taboo as Copy Bots...

Thanks for follow up Chin. I think you maybe right about "hiccup" from data server. Though not sure how servers do that The item never ever ever changed ownership. And yes the advanced permissions were showing VCM not VCMT for owner and should have from what I know. Have to guess the data got corrupted somehow. It's all fixed now re-imported all the parts and everything is working it's just the hassle of having to do. Guessing there is no way for LL to reset permissions maybe would need God mode for that.. Thanks all for your input there's always a first time for everything in SL.

Re-importing worked fine. Checked the debug permissions not sure what is meant. Did check advanced permissions on the items and it showed B:,O:,G:,N:,E:,F: items and showed VCM on owner (O:) . If that is what your referring to about Chin.

Have tried all things to restore the permissions listed so far. Nothing has worked. As to why an item(s) created from parts by the creator and owner should lock out permissions to change is something have never experienced. Like I wrote somehow the parts as a whole (linked) or unlinked every part though showing creator and owners name on part could not be changed as to permissions. They remain darkened out with Modify/Copy checked and No transfer unchecked. The only solution so far is to bring in all new parts and reassemble them with full permissions set. As I stated before even though all the parts show correct names somehow the UUID key of the parts must have changed though I am not sure how names can show in Edit box and the key be different. I do not know how Linden sets this up. Maybe one day will find and answer but I can say it is quite frustrating to have a part(s) that one creates and owns yet not able to change permissions.

Yep. Is exactly what we are doing. Tedious process since mostly mesh parts used in the vehicle but only way we could think of to get permissions back. Thanks again.

Thanks Pamela. Yes we already did that as well. Only thing that can come with is the vehicle was copybot'd. This would change the UUID key code of all the parts. Unless someone can come with another solution of how this could happen.

I am sorry forgot to include which boxes were checked. Once a copy was made both the original and copy vehicle when edited showed Modify box checked,Copy box checked and Transfer box unchecked. All of these boxes were grayed out. The creator could Edit the part(s) and even Modify the part(s) but could not Transfer NOR change the permissions boxes even though when part(s) are clicked on and edit box opened the persons is named as creator and Owner.

In reply to the above posts. We have checked all those ideas. No scripts in vehicle all textures were removed from the vehicle and still the parts can not be changed by the creator.

Does anyone know how parts (mesh parts) created and brought Inworld FULL PERM assembled into a vehicle and, once all assembled, lock out the creator and owner from changing permissions. When the creator lifted up a copy of the vehicle that copy and the remaining copy permissions boxes no longer were enabled??? Even though the parts were all FULL perm when assembled. After this the vehicle can not be Transferred. The Copy/Mod boxes are darkened and can NOT be changed. When the vehicle is edited it shows the creators name and owners name as person who brought parts Inworld. When the vehicle is UNLINKED every part shows the same. Yet the CREATOR can NOT change the permissions!!! Anyone have any ideas on what and or how the fix this situation? Thanks

I was not championing other worlds. What my point was they are able to allow for more for less. Yes maybe they do this because they do not have what you describe but what it does do is to show what is possible. Now the LL has "given" land owners more prims, and if they did do "buy in" at reduced cost than was before. What remains to be seen is whether SL can sustain this world even though it does have more people for now and yes content creators. As we know prims are the "spice" of SL and land equates to that. I still believe SL can move forward because of it's people but form what I read and hear Sansar is to be a "closed" system so is this the direction we are headed? Is this more prims a way of keeping SL around while new platform is implemented? Like is say... remains to be seen. Optimism and hope is all we have because it is not clear yet where this virtual world is headed. Stay tuned :matte-motes-big-grin-wink: