[Bakes on Mesh Feedback Thread]

12 minutes ago, Theresa Tennyson said:

I created the JIRA for that issue and it's fixed.

I can't open jiras neither read most of them :D. But that doesn't changes the fact that BOM isn't ready and need some tweaks and improvements regarding assets. 

[Bakes on Mesh Feedback Thread]

2 minutes ago, Theresa Tennyson said:

So, adding a separate item to handle new channels would be a "total disaster", but forced updates for everyone's viewers is "not an issue any more"? (The screaming about Singularity I mentioned earlier was from this summer.) The vast majority of avatar customization in Second Life involves wearing multiple items, often arcane and inexplicable. If that was a major problem the avatar customization business wouldn't exist at all.

The new channels are a good thing in general but waiting for the entire project until they're perfect when the existing channels which 16 years of Second Life are build on already work is a perfect example of the tail wagging the dog.

 

You may be a conformist that finds everything fine as long as other has to deal with the limits and restrictions of half implemented features. As creator, I want it to work as it's expected on a minimal way and everyone expect those extra channels to work properly and be able to use alpha mask there.

And no, updating it's not a huge issue. You can't expect a 2 years old viewer to keep working nowday. Is not like there isn't a huge variety of alternatives already. I liked the old interface too but time changes and has been a really long run already. We can't keep looking at the past, SL has to move forward or it will die sooner than expected. So if people has to be force to update knowing some months before it happens, it wont be a big deal. BOM will require updated viewers anyway so your comment it's still being ridiculous. What's the point of having BOM if people will keep using old viewers and seeing your avatar with replacement textures??

BOM needs fixes and improvements, like it or not but it's a fact and creators are aware of that already. There is even a huge bug regarding transparency and how they are blending the alpha channels of all the stacked textures and you still want this to be released? Patience it's a virtue. Just wait for them to finish this properly then you will be able to go back to your favorite system clothing that you has been saving all these years of no wearing mesh resistence. It will happen eventually, why not to happen properly without issues?  

[Bakes on Mesh Feedback Thread]

1 minute ago, Theresa Tennyson said:

Then why do you apparently not know that you can set up the universal for only those channels that aren't already supported by existing assets so it won't cover anything in those channels?

I hope that you aren't suggesting that people should wear skin + universal tattoo to use as a single skin layer because that would be a total disaster. If you create an avatar that uses the default channels plus the new leg and arm ones, you should make it simple for all the users to simply wear one and not to explain to them that they need to wear the skin then the rest of of their skin as a separated item using something meant for tattoos. Making SL already more confusing wont help existing users and even less to new ones if they come.

 

[Bakes on Mesh Feedback Thread]

1 minute ago, Theresa Tennyson said:

Then why are you saying how things should be done if you don't know what's involved or what will happen?

Existing assets were troublesome. Many users of Second Life are notoriously reluctant to change viewers. People were screaming about mesh because they didn't want to stop using Phoenix or Viewer 1.23 so mesh had to be made in a way that wouldn't crash those viewers. If you look in the technical threads there are people who are screaming about Singularity not working when UDP fetching was removed and Singularity hasn't had an official (i.e. non-alpha) release since the middle of 2016. Those people are also sending money to Linden Lab, and the employees are being paid to accommodate them too.

Even tho I am not programmer, I know how things should be and could be done as I have some programming knowledge. But that's doesn't matter. There is a requirement for BOM to be something beyond a gimmick and it's to be able to use the same features than the old assets had. It doesn't matter if they are new or old updated assets. If you can't use alpha masking on the new channels then it's useless before even being released.

Your example it's quite ridiculous. Making people update viewer is not an issue anymore. We don't need them to migrate to a whole different viewer. Viewers with fixes are being released often and older viewers gets blocked daily so there is no issue on updating the viewer before BOM it's released and let some months for people to update. You say so as if my suggestion would only benefit me and not the rest of the residents lol. Seriously, read what I suggested. If you think that releasing BOM on it's actual state will be something good for the average user, wait for them to ask why they can't hide the arm and leg channel when wearing alpha mask or why they have to use a tattoo layer to wear skins and clothing. Or why if they worn the new asset "universal tattoo" for the skin, it's hidding all their tattoos behind it. Explain to them that they need to dettach all their make up, tattoos and clothing before applying a skin made with the "universal tattoo" and to wear all of them all over after it. Believe me that I know pretty well how things works and what people need and how. I have been long enough in SL to know all these details. I don't want BOM to be rushed just because few people that aren't even part of the creators' community wantnit now not even knowing the technical aspects behind a rushed version.

[Bakes on Mesh Feedback Thread]

9 minutes ago, Theresa Tennyson said:

Are you volunteering to explain to anyone who uses an older viewer why their viewer is crashing? Because they originally planned to do exactly what you're suggesting and that's what happened.

There are two ways of doing things always. If updating existing assets could be troublesome (it shouldn't) there is always the possibility of adding new ones.
But then, I am not programmer so there is absolutely no reason for me to know something like that. This is a 16 years old game developed by a professional company, not an indie game. I am not either being paid to do so, LL employes are. In fact, I was giving away around 150 to 250$ monthly just on cashout, let's not talk about money conversion and other fees. And that was when it was still 2.5%, now it's double that amount. I guess I have all the rights to at least point when something isn't right.

Besides all that, I understand the problems that could happen from all this but the solution it's even simpler than that. Update all viewers before BOM it's released to make them compatible with the new assets. After a couple of months with new viewers capable of handling the new assets, block the older ones and release BOM. The viewers will be ready for the new type of asset and no one would crash because they had a fix for the new type of asset since a couple of months. Or, the complex way, fix it properly so it doesn't crash on older viewers. That a new feature crashes a new viewer is not something that big deal. Obviously you wont release BOM and make everyone update on the same day. Instead, relesae updated viewers and let them work together among older viewers untill everyone have updated then release BOM. I don't mind waiting some months as long as we don't get anything half done.

 

[Bakes on Mesh Feedback Thread]

2 hours ago, Lucia Nightfire said:

Masking on top of the stacks seems to have been discussed as a possible follow-up feature for BoM.

I think it's a must have feature. There is literally no sense on creating BOM and not adding the alpha masking capabilities to all extra channels considering that they are meant to be used for avatars. Even more when we talk about the arm and leg channels that have been made and named specifically for avatars. If we use those channels for an avatar, we wouldn't be able to wear clothing there as we can't hide these parts. BOM already works fine with the already existing alpha masking items, we just need either get the alpha masking item extended to use the new channels or a new asset that could be just like the Universal Tattoo just for alphas and probably called Universal Alpha. Also using Universal Tattoo it's also pretty confusing for most users. We have an Universal Tatttoo but not an Universal Skin which leaves the base layers of the extra channels unused. I know that they can stack one on top of each other but will still be confusing that you can wear the base layer wearing a skin for the common channels yet for the new ones you can't wear a skin but a tattoo layer.... All we needed it's to add extra slots to the already existing assets inlcuding skin and clothing but I guess, like always, we need to get the things weirdly implemented to make sure that everything it's more complicated for users than necessary. To me, the inclusion of the extra channels to the existing assets (or creating new assets with them) seemed like the option that made more sense. Using a new asset for only one purpose leaving the rest behind seems like a pretty lazy way of executing a very simple idea.

[Bakes on Mesh Feedback Thread]

7 hours ago, Lucita Sorrowsong said:

I have found that by doing some research on here, YouTube, and Google for SL Vlogs, BoM is already a done deal ... at least on the user end. I have found that someone made a BoM Applier over a year ago that is still on the marketplace and another user has a full mesh avatar that is BoM without an applier. The problem isn't making BoM in SL. The problem is SEEING IT. To put a finer point on it, it's not us, it's them. We HAVE BoM RIGHT NOW, but unless you have a copy of the BETA viewer, you can't see it. Like a few years ago when mesh was first introduced, if you didn't have a viewer that could view mesh, all you saw were avatars that were invisible with little black boxes floating over them, or other messes instead of people.Same thing here. We the users have already made BoM available with working applier and even BoM products ready to roll out but we're waiting for a viewer to see it.

Side note, I hope it comes out very soon because #1, this has been in development for over a year and we've already made working BoM products in that year's time and #2 there are lots of clothing, skins, etc. stores that are dying because they can't make mesh clothes. BoM will not only revive them, but help them thrive once again. And #3 (and I have to throw this out there) mesh clothes are EXPENSIVE. You could buy layer clothes for like L$25 or even whole outfits and skins for L$100 or less. Now we have L$50 Fridays and Saturday sale events with 50-75L$ for outfits and clothing that costs well over L$200 normally. What is this? Virtual Gap? Neiman Marcus? Gucci?

I am not sure if bake on mesh it's ready. I have found issues with transparencies and let's not talk about the lack of alpha masking for the new channels including the arm and leg ones which makes them quite useless. 

Not sure if you have been around enough but, actually, mesh clothing it's the cheapest. Layer clothing was like 500 to 650L$ a single color most of the time being 400 the cheaper. Surely there were cheaper ones just like today there are very cheap mesh ones but the average mesh today its 250L$ and that's half of what it was before mesh.

Bake on mesh needs fixes but above all we need alpha mask for the new channels or at least for arm and leg channels so they can be used for avatars. I prefer to get all that sorted than a rushed half done release. 

[Bakes on Mesh Feedback Thread]

4 hours ago, Theresa Tennyson said:

Meanwhile, things like tattoos are generally one-size-fits all - the differences aren't in the textures but in the scripting of the appliers.

If you mean on tattoos, yes, they kinda work due their nature but they do still have the same differences on the UVs just it's easier to fit a tattoo of certain features over a similar UV than a whole skin. But no, the difference isn't on the scripts but the UVs of each body. They have relatively similar UVs trying to emulate the default ones but they do not get the exact values btween them that's why it's pretty hard for them to use old skins.

[Bakes on Mesh Feedback Thread]

1 minute ago, Theresa Tennyson said:

 

Theresa Tennyson whispers, "Belleza junked their proprietary hand and foot mapping years ago because the skin makers refused to make appliers for them, because they wanted to largely re-use their skins which were based on the default UV map."

I wasn't talking about hands and feet but the fact that others parts of the body does not fit properly. Stretched nipples anyone?
Anyway I am not here to discuss about your lack of knowledge on the matter but about missing and broken features on Bake On Mesh. I couldn't care less about the rest of mesh bodies UVs, I simply want Bake On Mesh to work properly as it should and include all required features from the past system skin.

[Bakes on Mesh Feedback Thread]

9 minutes ago, Theresa Tennyson said:

And they have tied down some of the loose locations that cause mismatches.

Ok I will explain it easily.
Omega is not an UV, it's an unified scripted applier. The purpose of Omega it's to everyone follow the default OLD SL UVS so we would be able to wear all the skins on all the mesh bodies. Omega, with it's script, would send the texture to each body's secret channel since each body applier uses a different channel and way of setting the texture (hence why maitreya applier wont work on belleza body). So that's it, Omega is NOT an updated UV system because they only use the very old default templates for the system avatar. Omega it's only an applier that means to be universal. The problem is that mesh bodies does not completely followed the OLD SL UVS so the purpose of Omega being an unified and universal system was destroyed on the same day that they approved mesh bodies to be Omega compatible when they weren't compatible with the OLD SL UVS at all (as clear example, Bellezas).
They didn't modified anything on the UVs neither those templates. They took the old templates and simply added notes for reference. You can even see the creator of those OLD templates that uses the default SL UVs and the year (years before even mesh was an idea) when they were made. I really can't explain better or more simple, sorry, all I can say it's that Omega is not even an UV at all, just a script system of appliers.

For example, if mesh bodies were to follow the old SL UVs (or Omega ones since they are literally the same thing), we would be able to wear bake on mesh skins between all those bodies. And it may be that in certain cases may be possible depending on which body but very unlikely.

[Bakes on Mesh Feedback Thread]

2 minutes ago, Theresa Tennyson said:

Then what are these, dollface?

http://slpoweredbyomega.com/learning-center/what-is-omega/faq/uvlist/

These are the default avatar UVs. These templates has been around since 2005...

[Bakes on Mesh Feedback Thread]

9 hours ago, Theresa Tennyson said:

There already is an updated standard UV for human mesh avatars - it's the Omega system. Most of the major bodies support it at one level or another. A skin made using the textures people have made for their Omega appliers will be exactly as compatible as the appliers themselves are.

No sweety, Omega is NOT an updated UV standard. Omega was meant to use the default SL layout as an universal script applier so all the mesh bodies could use the same textures as skin. But they feailed pretty hard since these mesh bodies have different UVs meaning that they do not match between them at all. Anyway as I said, Omega is an unified scritp applier, not an UV set. Mesh bodies haven't "Omega UVs" they just use their own UVs and wether you use Omega or each body applier makes no difference on the UVs.

[Bakes on Mesh Feedback Thread]

9 hours ago, Blush Bravin said:

There is no way that you can even begin to think that all the mesh body/head makers can make all their creations match each other. That would defeat the whole purpose of having different bodies and heads. They are different. Stop thinking that BoM is going to make anything one size fits all. You're just going to have to deal with it the same way all the mesh clothing creators have to deal with it now. The time to have one UV that actually matched ended with the first mesh body creation. That ship sailed a long time ago and it's never coming back to port.  

It's perfectly possible to do it and it wouldn't defeat the purpose of having different bodies and heads. You are mixing here UVs with meshes shapes. You can have completely different mesh bodies and still have the same UVs. We all know that it wont happen simply because they wont get the time and effort on creating an alternative bake on mesh version but that does not meant that would be impossible to do.

[Bakes on Mesh Feedback Thread]

31 minutes ago, Alyona Su said:

If BOM supporting creators are just going to include new system layers then why bother? May as well use appliers. I also should clarify I couldn't care less about BOM on anything other than the mesh body and mesh head. I just want to wear my skin, my Tattoo layer, underwear layer, and clothing layer (all old style *system layers) and not wear anything mesh for clothing. The same way it was before mesh bodies cme along.

This has always been my understanding of how it is supposed to work (in this scenario, anyway,) based on LL description: I can wear my old "system clothing" and it is baked by the server and that baked image is them "applied" to the mesh body. I am no technical guru, but deductive reasoning says that means there must be some way to *map* the SL UV to whatever UV the mesh uses.

If this is all a big misunderstanding on my part then LL can take BOM and toss it into the toilet and flush three times to be sure, for all I care. LOL

You can use old system layer as long as the avatars uses the exact same system avatar UVs which in this case, mesh avatars don't. You can get them somewhat "working" but mesh avatars have slightly different UVs so things wont work on all cases. For example, Bellezas doesn't even use the same textures for feet and hands so it's completely impossible. I am making myself a mesh body solely for BOM and getting the exact same SL UVs. But this doesn't either means that everything will work. Skin creators had this crazy idea of placing nipples out of the default position. On the default avatar this wasn't a huge issue because nipples weren't there on the mesh but on a mesh avatar isn't the case so you can end with missplaced nipples if using old skins. This isn't a big issue if you dont mind about it and will always wear something to cover them. System clothes works perfectly fine tho as these just need to fit properly between the seams.

3 minutes ago, Tazzie Tuque said:

and where would one get these new UV layouts for the newer avatars?  I haven't seen any around.. all I can find are the old ones I have been using since day one..

I guess on each skin dev kit for each mesh body should be included a skin template with their UVs.

[Bakes on Mesh Feedback Thread]

10 hours ago, Alyona Su said:

what would you use those extra channels for if system layers can handle the basics?

Oh, don't worry about giving out ideas lol. There is not much mistery here about their use. Basically, you can use them for whatever you want, even for a shirt or skirt. Of course, these would be a very stupid move. Why would anyone change texture of their shirt by applying different "skins"? Not to mention that as soon as you wear something that uses the same texture, you would end with the shirt texture on some pants or who knows what. As I see these, their better use it's for the avatar itself. You could just have more than three textures per avatar in case that you wear some kind of special avatar that requires more than the default one or simply to add extra resolution to a common human one. This isn't either a good idea because, eventho you now have slots for left_arm and left_leg (seriously, who though we needed an extra for a leg? we always had these two separated lol), these are just simple names given to them because you can't use these for an arm and a leg at all since they don't support alpha masks textures. Imagine wearing a mesh avatar where you now have a completely asymetrical left arm thanks to bake on mesh new slots but you can't wear shirts or T-shirts because you won't be able to mask any part of it. You can mask your right arm tho lol...

So that's it. bake on mesh it's nice, and could be great but only if done correctly and not just half unfinished like some other features we got. If we had a new alpha mask that allows to hide all the new texture slots, we could have great avatars. But as it stands right now, if you use the extra ones, you may need to rely on dividing your mesh body into hundreds of parts to hide through scripts which also means that you may require a quite high poly avatar to be able to create enough alpha masking zones and, on top of that, add laggy scripts for something that wouldn't have be necessary to start.

[Bakes on Mesh Feedback Thread]

12 minutes ago, Alyona Su said:

It is my understanding (anyone: please correct me if I'm wrong) that the primary benefit of bakes on mesh will be that I can wear the old system layers.

Yes that's it. But they have also added extra channels but you can't alpha them so they are pretty much useless.

[Bakes on Mesh Feedback Thread]

Here is an example of what I exactly mean.
So you use Universal layer as background layer for a skin because you want to use left arm for example, just like in the image.
Then you use the texture shown in the image that it's a gradient as if it were a tattoo also using Universal (since it's the only way after all).
The parts that are between certain degree of transparency and opacity gets transparent just like "gradient tattoo" itself. Areas completely transparent or completely opaque remains opaque in the layer below too just not the in between alpha values it seems.
I really don't know why their alphas would mix. If the layer on bottom it's opaque or have certain alpha, it should remain despite of the layer added on top. If you were to wear a layer on top of, for example, a shirt in which you would add some semi-transparent shadows for depth purpose, you would get transparent results on them.

[Bakes on Mesh Feedback Thread]

I have been testing with BOM today with the latest viewer and playing with the new kind of assets. I have to say that the way they work it's really confusing. Like, what's the point of having left arm and leg ig you can't alpha mask them?? It's nice to have auxiliar textures that has been added to the tattoo as well but how do you expect people to use these if you can't mask them? We should have also "Universal Alpha Mask" with the same amount of alphas that we have for the Universal one including all extra textures like aux1, 2, 3, etc...
I can't believe either that we haven't a way of using normals and specular maps. It's like for very single step we go forward, we do two back. Can't we really get something simply completely implemented for once rather than half unfinished stuff that kinda "works"? I really liked BOM but I don't see much sense on it if we can't use them to wear alphas on the extra textures, neither clothing through layers, etc... I can understand leaving the old stuff intact for compatibility but not without adding their equivalent for BOM new channels. I see no sense on having separated left arm if you can't hide it after wearing a mesh shirt. It simply makes no sense and I am not even sure how you guys even reached the conclusion that doing it in this way was ok at all.

I also noticed this super mega weird behavior... if you decide that your avatar needs more than head, upper and lower and go for the usage of left_arm too because maybe for some weird reason you want a separated left_arm after all lol... and then, you use the Universal one as skin instead of tattoo, you get a lot of troubles. The main one is that you are supossed to use as tattoo but the skin wearable type does not contains all the extra slots. So you use Universal as main skin one, but then you wear another Universal one on top of it and this one you really will use as tattoo layer which means that it will contain alpha blending images all over since the background of a tattoo it's usually transparent. NOPE!! you can't!! For some reason the alpha of the tattoo get's also applied to the alpha of the first Universal layer that you wore below (but inversed!!!) which leads you to a skin that gets transparent where the tattoo should be lmao. How is all this not being taken into account before? I hope all this gets sorted before release.

[Environmental Enhancement Project (aka EEP!) Feedback Thread]

Was it that hard to leave the sliders to change the sun and moon position as they aready were before?
It was quite simple to move a slider for up and down and other for left to right rather than messing with a sphere and some weird controls. It takes like 3 seconds to place the sun and moon position where you wanted before, now it takes ages. Not to mention that there isn't a single input controller there to at least being able to copy/paste values or for references. And besides being able to change sun, moon and clouds textures, a couple of extra options and the new daycycle editor, I don't see much improvement or new features. Is not like it's bad, but it's basically the same sky that we have been using for years with just few extra. Would have been really great being able to set the whole sky environment with a cube or spherical map, being able to change stars texture and size, etc....

In overall isn't bad and the new features are nice even if they aren't many after all those years but at least try to bring a better and more user friendly way of moving the sun and moon around. I know this it's more likely get fixed by Firestorm team but still, would be great to have it done by default.

[Bakes on Mesh Feedback Thread]

1 minute ago, Theresa Tennyson said:

Wearable alphas work if the mesh they're being applied to is set to alpha masking with a cutoff greater than 0.

Bakes are already at 1024 on the Beta grid.

Ohh, all that already working? That's some great news. Thanks for the info

[Bakes on Mesh Feedback Thread]

Been out of BOM for several weeks.
It has been already confirmed if the werable alphas will work on release? Or it's something they will work "over time"? Last time I tried, they didn't work.
Also, it's still being 512px? Will be 1024px on release or also something to work over time?

[Bakes on Mesh Feedback Thread]

11 hours ago, Lillith Hapmouche said:

Thanks for all the clutter that makes it even harder to pick out the relevant info for simple users...

EDIT:

Apparently, I'm doing something wrong with a Maitreya body, the VERY experimental Bakes on Mesh Applier and an old piece of clothing... just don't know what.

Give it a try to our appliers now at our main store Cute or Die at Blueberry Media SIM. We have omega as well as maitreya appliers so you don't need to buy the omega HUD if you haven't it. We have everything properly configured and separated into different body parts. We have also enabled the possibility of using bake mesh on the mesh body clothing layers to prevent the shape of nipples and such when wearing system clothing. I hope you like it, it's totally free. 

[Bakes on Mesh Feedback Thread]

49 minutes ago, Whirly Fizzle said:

Disabling BOM from HUD attachments isn't going to stop anyone who wants to snag a texture this way.
You can just attach a default prim to a normal attachment point - avatar center for example - slap a BOM texture on it & screenshot it with just the same ease.

At least isn't so perfect if isn't a HUD.
Another option could be to not use on anything that isn't skinned. Yeah, people could still do a plane and skin it to the body but all these options are still better than doing absolutely nothing. I knew this could carry a lot of security flaws and I have already discussed with others creators. But not because something it's possible to do it in other ways means that we just have to make it even easier. For such fact, since there it's copybot viewers, we just should allow everyone to right click and save every single asset? No, right? So this it's the same case. Still, using skins or clothing for a HUD its totally useless and ridiculous and I havent seen a single comment that says otherwise. There is simply not any case where this could be useful. I just hope some security measures before this goes totally live. The damage for skin creators could be huge and I don't see any reasson to release a new feature that, besides not being a real necessity (there are other features that would be more useful for creators and residents), it could do more harm than any benefit. Sure you can now wear your old skins but, in exchange of what? Skin creators are more likely to only create skins for appliers from now on so this feature will be totally useless besides those that stuck in 2009 with their old skins in which case they probably still use standard avatar anyway.

[Bakes on Mesh Feedback Thread]

9 minutes ago, Lillith Hapmouche said:

Meh. That sucks.

 

That, however, rocks.

Though aren't you afraid of a mass of raging fanfolks with pitchforks and torches, crying "Copybot!" ... aka folks completely misunderstanding the concept?

Copy bot? Why lol 

It's an official feature of SL that everyone can use right now with the beta viewer. And doing a HUD to enable bakes on mesh it's just as easy as making an applier. There is nothing that involves copying anything. This would just enable being able to wear old skins and such on the new mesh avatars. Anyway all mesh avatars will enable this through updates probably once isn't beta. If they can't understand the concept that's something that they have to fix theirself. I may include a note card tho explaining how everything works, you gave me the idea thank you. 

[Bakes on Mesh Feedback Thread]

On 4/4/2018 at 9:26 PM, Vir Linden said:

Yes you could. The idea is that you're using the same textures that the system avatar would show, which include whatever tattoos or other items you're wearing. Then if you change your tattoos, your avatar would be rebaked, and the "bakes on mesh" object would update automatically. It's a new special setting in the texture picker that doesn't require you to know any texture IDs.

Hey Vir, I would like to hear about the security flaws that bakes on mesh are bringing for skin creators. I have several friends with skin stores that are very worried about the subject. 

The fact that you can simply wear a prim as HUD set full bright and set easily a skin to show on it makes it very easy to screenshot and upload any skin. 

If you think this may not be something to worry about, please reconsider it. Some of those friends used to make skins for the popular kemono mesh bodies until they realized that people used to take the script out of the body (body it's mod) to drop them on prims that they would wear as HUD and screenshot them. It was very usual for them to see their stolen skins on marketplace and also being used to create new ones after small modifications and being later for sale. They simply stopped doing skins for kemono. 

Creating skins it's a very valuable and artistic job that deserves to be taken into consideration that's why I suggest that, to add some protection to them, disable the possibility of wearing them as HUD. Just like when you rez the mesh or prim with bake on mesh it gets grey, it should be seen grey on HUDs too. I don't see any real reason why we would want or need to change HUDs textures through system skins or clothing. There are very rare cases where HUD textures needs to be changed and there is no any kind of universal HUD that would benefit from the creation and possibility of sharing HUDs skins grid wide. Consider disabling this useless but dangerous capability before skin makers just turn their back to this project and only release appliers which would basically make bakes on mesh obsolete if won't be ever adopted by creators.