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Amazing. Disappointing! I'd have never expected that. Nothing should be that hard. I know in many things though it seems digital communications are either mired in system-mud and two computers don't talk to each other (still!), or they are soooo mired in s security-mud where unfortunately it keeps the real owner away from their money more so than it seems to keep away the crooks! Nothing should be that burdensome to any customer wanting to hand over funds to an entertainment source. If that article about Thunes has any truth to it beyond rah-rah press release, its possible the cleaning up of those kinds of connections is right up their alley of expertise!

On iOS the app will need to be clearly designed to explicitly ask the user for permissions to do that or it won't get past the review stage at Apple. Plus it will say exactly what type of access/data it gathers in the description on the App Store. I don't recall the app asking for access to anything at all. The app may work with your microphone NOW. (Or soon, if voice is not ready yet.) Otherwise, there's really no reason for it to access your contacts, camera, photos etc. You don't use your camera in Second Life...AFAIK. And for photos, not sure why you'd upload photos unless they were "screen shots" anyway. Who knows, maybe it asked and I forgot. Maybe the non-alpha version will ask and we'll see.

And THIS is why LL's Livechat support is basically useless.

Also by those who don't actually ride the bus and just praise it for the service they themselves don't use.

On iOS the app will need to be clearly designed to explicitly ask the user for permissions to do that or it won't get past the review stage at Apple. Plus it will say exactly what type of access/data it gathers in the description on the App Store. That list of accesses is the first thing I check before downloading an app. If it gathers anything near personal (and you probably wouldn't be surprised at how much devs want access to for the simplest of apps—i.e., a shopping list app) I don't download it an find an alternative. Then again, I'm older and value as much of my privacy as I can, and never use most apps, websites, and services that everyone else seems to use without much thought. Anyone who agrees to those sort of accesses for what would be a simple SL messenger app is being foolish (and becomes the product that is being sold themselves).

I'll ask myself then as I've just celebrated being here for 19 years. For the topic, perhaps the OP can shed some light.

Imagine you ride the bus to work every day. The bus company has a monopoly on the route. The bus is always dirty, do you complain? The bus is la always late, do you complain? Today the driver is drunk, and has forgotten his glasses! Do you complain, and ask that he stop the bus before he crashes it and kills all the passengers? Or do you just sit there as the dirty, late bus swerves all over the damn road, singing the praises of the people who DIDN'T DO THEIR JOBS PROPERLY? Only by people who LIKE riding on dirty, late buses driven by almost-blind drunks while singing the praises of people who don't deserve any..

Laptops / Notebooks can be moved? * glances at gaming notebook sitting safely in its spot * * glances at work notebook sitting safely in its spot *

* watches Zal explode since she cannot stand being disagreed with *

Thinking... I know what that would remind me of... hmmm... and giving up that control, well I hope I don't see it but we just don't know what's in the agreement. Word play in documents - could be anything in it. That might sway things noticeably different for us if whatever determines the rate goes with Tillia ownership or the agreement. I'm sure it won't, I was just making a poor comparison of "market rates" vs. "government-determined rates". LL owns the "market" and sets their own "market rate" vs. tying the L$ to something like the USD. I only mentioned Thunes in that context since they are taking the role previously fulfilled by Tilia (where LL owned Tilia, so technically LL set the rate not Tilia).

If outsourcing billing is so beneficial to LL, why did they choose option 2.C, instead of 2.B back when? Why form a subsidiary instead of just outsourcing. They deliberately decided to NOT take your advice, back then. Why use an owned subsidiary rather than a 3d party outsource? Because your owned subsidiary basically doesn't charge you big bucks to use their service, as it's profit margin is YOUR profit margin. Outsourcing to a 3rd party will usually be more expensive than outsourcing to an owned subsidiary. With a subsidiary, you pay their operating costs. With a 3rd party you pay their operating costs, AND their profit margin, AND run the risk they will scr*w you over in any number of ways.

Thinking... I know what that would remind me of... hmmm... and giving up that control, well I hope I don't see it but we just don't know what's in the agreement. Word play in documents - could be anything in it. That might sway things noticeably different for us if whatever determines the rate goes with Tillia ownership or the agreement.

It's not that whyPhone Wastrels wont pay $1.99 for 5 mins of "fun", it's that they will get bored and sod off when they discover they have to mess around for an hour or 4 before they get that f mins of "fun". Once they have paid their $1.99, they expect that 5 mins of "fun" to happen right there and then, that's where SL will fail to hold their attention, and why we won't see "a vast untapped new market" of whyPhone users who want instant fun on demand. The whyPhones wont wait long enough to get that far, hell, most will give up after 15-20 mins in disgust, staring at the hud for the noob island Sux-Ra suburban jogger-mom fail--atars, exclaiming loudly that they want to "PLAY the game" not spend "ages" trying to make an avatar. And existing SecondLifers will just play on their desktops and laptops, which will for the most part be far superior to the phone app. And yet, so far on this Forum, the MAJORITY of people saying they are looking forward to the mobile app, say that what you call "silly and reductive" is in fact, what they want it for.

You know, yeah, this change might help me. It's a long convoluted story that bores even me, but around the time the Lab formed this Tilia subsidiary, they could no longer handle payments from my US bank. The only way I could avoid eating double currency exchange fees (to the looney and back to the greenback) was through PayPal. Now that works fine but it's really silly and I'd love to cut them out of the loop in the name of parsimony if nothing else.

Wow, I have learned tons in this thread, thank you Orwar and everyone else. Out of total sheer frustration, I went back to Lelutka and got a fresh copy of my Lelutka head and hud. I did not alter ANY of the settings or tints etc. I went back to Test Female. Long story short, I *think* getting a fresh uncorrupted copy of my head and hud has done the trick. Photos: my neck with CalWL lighting my neck with MidDay lighting Nam's Optimal Skin and Prim

Over the years I've understood that being outside the US is troublesome in this respect. I wouldn't be at all surprised if those issues would begin to ease, if/after they take over that role.

If light can be both a wave and a particle, if Schrondinger's cat can be both alive and dead, if God can be both one being and many beings, then Second Life can be both a game and not a game.

Most of my pictures here start out "So I got bored..." I love setting up new places, so that's what I do. This is my latest rental, and included the house and ground-level landscaping, then I attacked the house with all sorts of add-ons and parts pillaged from a rezzed-out version of my own copy of this build, as well as some additional wood trim. It kept me busy for hours, and kept my linden balance safe for that period of time

I believe streaming music works now. So, people can go to clubs and listen to music. Soon, HUDs will work. Then, people will be able to engage in "adult activities". Claiming that the "real" market is to check messages, is silly and reductive.

There's only so much time in the day and despite likely having numerous employees, managing business on multiple platforms is exhausting. I had a clothing and accessories store in Gor back when it was enormous that in a good month did 1mm lindens and I'm sure Blueberry does exponentially more. Keeping up with new products, various vendors, partnerships, events etc. was totally exhausting. I ended up pitching the whole business. While I doubt she's doing that, I am sure she's mulling over the best use of her precious time. It sounds like it's a personal issue (use of the word reflect), but could just as well be taking time to take stock of the breadth of the brand's activities and make some decisions about how to grow or where to focus. I sincerely doubt the SL economy will take any sort of hit. While a very large and successful store, Blueberry is overall just a drop in the bucket in terms of clothing. I've not shopped there in years (just a matter of taste) nor seen them prominently at events and there are a zillion other quality clothes makers out there.

I dunno. To each their own, but I built my first PC in 1992 and have been a Doom-aholic ever since. I don't consider myself a gamer as such, but have plenty of experience with fx first person shooters. Been pretty immersed in some of those throughout my life. Those are games, even if you engage in a team and converse with people from the other side of the planet.. I've never viewed SL as a game, though. SL is just... SL. Hard do put an pin on it. Social platform? That sort of covers it. Metaverse? Perhaps.

mr innocent, you'r not at all indeed.

I find it interesting that you distinguish between an alt "that has a life inworld" and that they consider "to be a facet of themselves" verses alts used in different ways. I don't think using an alt for practical purposes - such as a model, a tester, a bank, a way to avoid being bothered - is being fake. (I suspect you don't either.) I think it's only being fake when one purposely tries to deceive others, such as trying to be "friends" with someone who has unfriended another account or as a forum sock puppet who likes and responds to the posts of their main account. I don't think it's being fake to have multiple accounts - perhaps as roleplay characters, to express different moods or artistic expressions, or to use different aspects of SL. I think it's only being fake when deception is the purpose of the alt.

Many companies outsource their billing, collections, etc. So, you don't even realize that your statement is BS. ETA: Small websites use bolt-on collection software. They don't need to go write their own, as LL did. My point is, even if "collecting money" is a company's "core business", that doesn't mean they need to write and own the software for doing so.

This does get asked, but should get asked more often.