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Que sentido tiene algo que no afecta en nada a la vida del avatar en SL.

Alguien no puede entrar a SL por esto?

Alguien no puede hacer algo por esto?

Esto es un juego, y como todos los juegos de SL, solo afectan a los que juegan en él

Hay varios juegos de vampiros en los que se caza a los seres humanos, se les muerde y se les mata

pero realmente, solo afectan a los propio jugadores, No a quien no juega

Son solo estadisticas o numeros en un servidor de juego, que afecta, únicamente, a los propios jugadores

 

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As a progeny vampire queen, i feel i have to answer  this.

Let me state our case as i see it, i do not speak on behalf of progeny or it's creators, i am just a player. Firstly in all vampire lore and legend, vampires walk among humans feeding silently, this is part of the progeny role play system, we do not take you as slaves, take your soul, make you buy apples or garlic or anything. We have no control over your avatar, in fact if you are being bitten, you can walk away purely and simply no harm done.  

To compare the innocence of a role play system to rape is extreme in the least. Unlike bloodlines, we don't spam bite requests, we don't force you to buy the garlic necklace, we are a silent part of sl, much the same as flu or a cold virus is rl. 

By all means feel free to IM me in world if you have any queries and i shall do my best to answer them, but this insanity and scaremongering is ridiculous.

 

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Padre Lord neuntoter, Debbien, rey biker, encantada de encontrarme con ustedes en este foro.

Martin esmeralda:

Me encantaria que enumeraras todos los problemas que dices que creamos, no te deja entrar a sl si estas muerta? el avatar se descompone? no puedes usar las bolitas? (upss eso si seria un problema y de los gordos):matte-motes-agape: un poquito de coherencia .....

Hay asi sin pensar mucho como 3 sistemas (y uno desaparecido) como progeny en los que no hace falta pedir permiso para morder y esto hace muchooooooo tiempo que es asi.

A ver seriedad por dios desde cuando un vampiro pide permiso para morder y te dice " perdona, es que tengo hambre me dejas darte un mordisquito" acechan en la oscuridas, matan, muerden, ni en crepusculo lo hacen que es mucho decir ya.

No quedas registrada en ningun sitio nadie sabe si te mordieron o no, es asi de simple si no juegas no lo sabes.

Por favor una violacion ..... te recuerdo que esto es un mundo virtual? espero que no sea necesario.

Y por ultimo una cosita de nada si piensas asi de este sistema, de gorean ni hablamos no?

 

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Greetings to all.
What is this?
You know the amount of HUD's that exist in sl?
they do not ask permission for anything?
As progeny player I am and much honor, this seems a complaint from another HUD's system.
I invite you to try it, see it as not as alarming as it looks.

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Martin Emerald wrote "The only way to become "revived" is for you to join the system. Again forcing you to be involved in a game of whom you were not asked to participate."   Actually this is wrong, a player can certainly submit a support ticket to have a dead human resurected and they are returned to their live state.

Reviva is for vampires who have not fed or hibernated and as a result gone into coma where they have no blood left and cannot feed, the revival process does not force anyone not in the system to join it.

Please Martin, be sure of your facts before you post them, my offer still stands, anyone wishing to know more about progeny or hav ethewir minds put at rest please get in touch and i shall try to answer your questions, or find someone who can.  We don't annoy hassle or interfere with the day to day lives of SL residents.

I even promise anyone wanting to know more i won't atempt to bite you if we meet in wolrd while i am answering your questions. A vampire queen can't say fairer than that now can they?

 

Debs

 


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I'd also like ot ask the OP of this thread, why no complaints about bloodlines or any of the other invasive systems or lunatic bahaviour Martin?  You have made 13 posts and al on this topic. 

 

Looks like a personal grudge against our role play system to me.

 

Debs

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I very much agree with you that the description is related in this post (rape) is very strong and out of place.
There are many other things in SL that if more damaging than simple bites do not hurt any player other than progeny.
remained so even just die within a database system and can continue playing as your avi does not suffer any loss or damage.
I do not understand this attack on this system, we do no harm.
 
 
 
 

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Creo que sobre este tema no hay mas que decir, apoyo todo lo comentado por mis compañeros de progeny, ahora esperemos a la contestacion de martin esmeralda, si algo no te quedo claro pregunta que en los foros no mordemos y como veras somos educados.

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With the garlic necklace you registered on the Bloodlines servers saying you want out, it is not a "masking of your avatar" in their systems. The only way of staying out of their servers is to never encounter a BL vampire or visit their sims in which point you might very well send your information about your avatar thru a visitorcounter if they use one.

 

How can being bitten without your knowledge be any worse than walking into a store just to be registered on their hippo visit or any similar system AND be bombarded with 1,2 or more LM's, groupinvites, requests of showing your profilepicture and so on?

Next I almost expect to see that vampires steal your blood also! I can reply to that immediately, your blood is not yours. It only exists and are "invented" in the respective game.

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When being bitten in Progeny system nothing happenes to your avatar, yes you lose the amount of blood but blood which only fictionally exsists for the Progeny system. You are far from being RAPED.

I find it much less upsetting than cam perving which is accepted and aprooved. There are various vampire systems in sl, not just Progeny and Bloodlines. For those systems I am not a part of, I am only a human just as any other person, even if I am a vampire in just one or two vampire systems.

In all systems but Bloodlines, vampire bites are silent. And I have no clue I have been bitten, and since I don't know and it is not affecting me in any way I don't care.

To me, being silently bitten in sl compared to various griefing attacks we have all been through on public places is absolutely not even worth of mentioning.

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You don't have to worry about this system, the people they have are all power hungry and are driving it in the ground.  The people still in this system are nothing but sheep who have been waiting on a new HuD for over a year LOL!

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First (to deal with a few misconceptions of the poster),

*Bloodlines has a garlic necklace option because the game sends a bite request IM.  Putting on the garlic necklace does not opt you out of their game.  In fact what it does is actually pastes your name permanently in their servers.  The bloodlines vamp gets a message that you don't want to be bothered.  You are still in their system however.

*Although I hesitate to dignify the "rape" thing with a response I'm going to say it again...it is a very silly (or not well thought out) comparison.  Rape is a crime.  Having a HUD on in SL is not a crime.  Now...for a bit of logic...complaining to LL regarding this will do nothing.  Why?  Because if anyone actually read the TOS they toss around they would discover that every avatar has an ID and LL has stated many times that scripts may aquire that ID freely.  You cannot complain about a script aquiring your ID because it's a necessary function of coding in LL. 

Sorry you are bothered by this but since the system actually doesn't bother you with IMs it is not any kind of invasion of your...anything.  Get used to it.  You probably wear a HUD or device (scanner or other such device) that does the same thing to other avatars on a script level that this game does.

Sir ~GS~   

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Increible fifi, apoteosico, impersionante, no tu post sino tu perfil sl.

Te propusistes catequizarnos o que?

:mansad:

Fifi amazing, tremendous, impersionante, not your post but your profilesl.
Your proposal is caquetizarnos or what?

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Very good point and well made Freya, cam perving is annoying and much more of a personal invasion than the progeny bite, in fact you could almost liken the cam perving to voyeurism if the original poster wishes to make a valid point about a rl cimre having a counterpart in sl, there you go cam perving and voyeurism. Much nearer to stalking and rape then an innocne tbite doing no harm at all.

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Debbie Xaris wrote:

Very good point and well made Freya, cam perving is annoying and much more of a personal invasion than the progeny bite, in fact you could almost liken the cam perving to voyeurism if the original poster wishes to make a valid point about a rl cimre having a counterpart in sl, there you go cam perving and voyeurism. Much nearer to stalking and rape then an innocne tbite doing no harm at all.

i'm going to respond to this. You say there is no harm done at all, yet my avatar id number is stored in the Progeny database if i get bitten, is it not? you realize that storing any unique information pertaining to individual avatars somewhere outside of the SL mainframe is against the TOS?

"You understand, however, that Linden Lab may disclose your personal or other account-related information under the following circumstances:

To other third parties (a) to provide you with services you have requested,"

we have not requested our information be stored there.

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Drake1 Nightfire wrote:


Debbie Xaris wrote:

Very good point and well made Freya, cam perving is annoying and much more of a personal invasion than the progeny bite, in fact you could almost liken the cam perving to voyeurism if the original poster wishes to make a valid point about a rl cimre having a counterpart in sl, there you go cam perving and voyeurism. Much nearer to stalking and rape then an innocne tbite doing no harm at all.

i'm going to respond to this. You say there is no harm done at all, yet my avatar id number is stored in the Progeny database if i get bitten, is it not? you realize that storing any unique information pertaining to individual avatars somewhere outside of the SL mainframe is against the TOS?

"You understand, however, that Linden Lab may disclose your personal or other account-related information under the following circumstances:

To other third parties (a) to provide you
with services you have requested,"

we have not requested our information be stored there.


How is this different from a Hippo visit for example?

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Your avatar ID number is seenable and easily attainable just by finding you on search or right clicking on your tag above your head and there it is just under your name in your profile.

Your avatar ID number is registered by all those automatic greeters, visitor detectors, etc. on various sims.

Seriously, just the thought of "being bitten" seems to be the issue here, not anything else of all those other reasons you submitted here.

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Freya VanDouser wrote:

Your avatar ID number is seenable and easily attainable just by finding you on search or right clicking on your tag above your head and there it is just under your name in your profile.

Your avatar ID number is registered by all those automatic greeters, visitor detectors, etc. on various sims.

Seriously, just the thought of "being bitten" seems to be the issue here, not anything else of all those other reasons you submitted here.

so now you are telling me what my issue is?  my issue is my info is being stored on a non-LL server offsite. my UUiD is linked to my RL info on the LL servers.. what right does any outside group have to store that? who is to say they wont try to hack LL?

THAT is my issue.

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And that is only Progeny vampire system responsible for?

Did you get so upset about the same thing with all those automatic greeters, visitor detectors, I mentioned earlier?

If you did, why didn't you act and react on a proper place and ask them questions about it and ask them to take an action?

How come it is Progeny system this all fuss is made about?

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Greeters and visitor detectors don't store your info anywhere aside from in SL. I have no idea who made Progeny. What does their system do with MY information? They have no legal right to store it on their servers. my info is not in the bloodlines servers as i have never been bitten. But it may be in the progeny server as WE HAVE NO IDEA WHEN THEY TAKE IT! Leave me out of your RP.

 

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Progeny system is not taking your information just by having you bitten. To store any further information about yourself, and that would be your IP address would be only if you would share that info willingly by registration you would have to perform.

Those people are doing nothing more than rp in their own style. Yes they enjoy rping as vampires. So what?

I have seen a lot "worse" or cruel (name it what ever you want) rp system around the grid.

Trust me, no one of them is interested in your private life, in your personal info, or anything linked to you, than maybe those few drops of your fictionary, pixel drops of the blood.

I can't promise to you, you will be left out of Progeny bites or rp in any way. Someone might bite you in that system, or any other vampire rp system around the grid. But you can be sure I won't interact with you in any way even if you would be the only person I would meet out there. I kind of don't appreciate that bitter taste in my mouth.

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 who is to say they wont try to hack LL?

 

Indeed and who is to say that any group won't try to hack LL? in this day and age when Sony's play station network and Microsft's xbox live have been hacked.

Who is to say the atm machine you withdraw cash from hasn't been tampered with and your card will be used for hamster porn in Venezuela?

It's called trust, we have to have it as if we trust nobody we panic ourselves into the grave early.  It must be so sad to be so paranoid.

 


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Hello All,

I am Lachiel Vaher,

In Progeny: Vampire I am known as “The Source” and am the creator of the system.

First I would like the express my most sincere gratitude to Martin for all the publicity here.  Since he started this rant, we have had many requests for information and seen a huge uptick in accepted new members.   

So thank you Martin for your contribution to the growth of my system.

To everyone else, if you are interested in Progeny, I recommend you visit the website, Google “progeny vampire”, or come to the Progeny Vampire Caste, on the Grave Designs (175, 37, 22) SIM.

Lachiel

~ Source

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Debbie Xaris wrote:

 who is to say they wont try to hack LL?

 

Indeed and who is to say that any group won't try to hack LL? in this day and age when Sony's play station network and Microsft's xbox live have been hacked.

Who is to say the atm machine you withdraw cash from hasn't been tampered with and your card will be used for hamster porn in Venezuela?

It's called trust, we have to have it as if we trust nobody we panic ourselves into the grave early.  It must be so sad to be so paranoid.

 


you must be new. If not, did we forget when some of the Emerald Devs did just that and used our IP addresses to crash someones website? its not paranoia when it actually happens.

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