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Martin Emerald

Progeny Vampire System

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Warning.....A new vampire system has been in testing for just over a year now, that many have no clue it’s going on. The Progeny creators have created a system where, (unlike Bloodlines) they can bite people without them knowing about it. In the latest days, this has caused problems to both players of this system and to those unaware that they have been victims.  There is NO way other than you being killed to opt out of the playing of the game at this time.

The Creators of Progeny think that taking people's "freedom of choice" away is ok and to involve everyone in their game play without our permission. Even if we find the idea of being bitten repulsive. They have justified it by stating, "if you didn't know you were bit, how would you know?" Now that they have become less secret about the system, it is easy to find out. Go get scanned by someone you know that is involved in the progeny system.

Lets look at their own web page: They state, "They bite humans or each other and drink their blood to survive.  They do not have to ask permission, there are no annoying bite requests as in other systems.  Progeny vampires seduce their intended victims, take them private and attack (this is often far more pleasant than it sounds). "

It is an absolute lie to justify their system. Most bites happen in crowded places, like clubs, parks, events and other RP sims. Even Bots are targets. If there is lag there, the person can become DEAD, as the biter can't stop the process in time. if you are dead within the system you are dead. The only way to become "revived" is for you to join the system. Again forcing you to be involved in a game of whom you were not asked to participate.

The biting occurs at just over 2 meters from you. There is no animation to give it away that you are being a unwilling victim. Be aware of people standing close to you. It only takes a minute for you to become dead, but... it only takes seconds for them to get a small bite. As stated they DO NOT NEED TO ASK PERMISSION TO BITE YOU. It makes me wonder, as the vampire role-play is a mature genre as to how many under age members in SL have been bitten on PG Sims. I’d expect the progeny creators to deny such activities.

If being involved unknowingly bothers you, as it should, you need to contact Linden Labs and DEMAND the creators of Progeny allow non-interested parties to opt out of being bitten. This would mean that a GARLIC necklace like that in Blood Lines be created that would stop random biting attacks, and/or have the HUD ask permission of the potential victim. Another failsafe should be added that NO ONE should be drained DEAD without a notification that they have a choice that this is going to happen!

 I see no mention of a progeny vampire RP system on the forums. It seems it has been keep from you, but they have been in beta for over a year. If you think it’s bad now, wait until Progeny is released to the general public. The Progeny system has the potential for abuse on a mass scale. It needs to be addressed NOW by Linden Labs!

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Welcome to Second Life Forums, Martin.

They can come and bite me as much as they like. I am an avatar. They cannot harm me or kill me, and I belong to myself, and not any clan or other rival vampire organisation/system.  They can deform me, bomb me, whatever they want, BUT if I deem their actions to be tantamount to harrassment or abusive or mars my Second Life in any way, I will submit an abuse report against them - as I urge others to do if they feel this way.

I'm moderately amused at the fact these new breed of vampires will even resort to collecting blood from bots - actually I am highly amused at that. It's just a shame they aren't able to knock a bot offline while they're at it.



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Martin Emerald wrote:

The progeny system gives power over others simular to the power a rapist has. wrong is wrong!

Don't go there.  Only an ignoramus would compare a pixalized role play to rape.  Prove that you aren't really that stupid.  Step away from the keyboard

--Cinn

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Only a ignoramus woudn't see the simularitys, that is of course you could be a progeny player so you would automaticly not see that taking people's freedom to not be invloved as ok......

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My intent was to let others know this is going on and let them decide if they want to do anyting about it. No wonder ther ahs not been a post about the progeny system in the forums before. Whether you see what i am trying to say whether it bothers you I can do nothing about. this info is there. do something or not everyone has a choice, except those people unwillingly being involved in the progeny system......

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You know why most other vampire HUD games have 'discreet biting'?

Because when we had a vampire HUD that let people know they're being bit, people raised such a huge stink over it that nearly every other vamp HUD that came after it had ways of getting points without the bitee knowing about it, kinda like a midnight madness board that slaps the avatar without knowing it, or those damn subscribers that put you on a list just by walking into a place.

If you don't know that you aren't getting bit, and it dosn't effect you, why raise a fuss over this?

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Martin Emerald wrote:

Only a ignoramus woudn't see the simularitys, that is of course you could be a progeny player so you would automaticly not see that taking people's freedom to not be invloved as ok......

And only an ignoramus would say "simularitys", when the word is, in fact, "similarities", and it's "automatically".  You can argue the toss with Cinn or me or anyone you wish to, and while your warning might be full of good intentions, please credit the residents of Second Life with some sense.  If they feel harrassed in any way, they can submit an abuse report to Linden Lab via the inworld facility. 

To compare this type of game of "tiggy"/"you're it" to the actions of a rapist are ridiculous.



 

 

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Maybe I don't wanna be biting that my right too you know,, I think a fuss could be rise over it. its my alt not there's

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So we have a new version of the game "tag, you're it."

The only thing I really am wondering about is what this 'sleep mode' is that they Avatar is unaware of what is happening is.  It could come under the category of 'assault' or harassment/impeding movement if it some how immobilizes your Avatar.

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It is your right not to be involved, if you do not want to. Linden labs needs to do something about it. pass trhe word around and get toehrs to take notice. maybe then they wil make the creators or progeny fix thier system.

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Anyone that has dealt with the intelligent types on forums (like you) knows that correcting spelling is a clear sign you have noting to say other than insults. Pointing out typos is just unnecessary and does not really make you look any smarter. But oh well, you can have your illusion.

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Also, it’s hard to credit SL residents with sense if they are unaware of what is happening. Until I posted there was NO postings about the Progeny system. 

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Nope it doesn't do that But what it does do is take away a persons freedom to opt out of the system. The Progeny system is grid wide. so anyone, anywhere can be made to be involved. It doesn't matter if a bite is passive or not. you should always have the right to opt out. and not logging into SL should not be an option. Linden Labs needs to step up and make them put safeguards in thier system to prevent abuse.

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Martin Emerald wrote:

Also, it’s hard to credit SL residents with sense if they are unaware of what is happening. Until I posted there was NO postings about the Progeny system. 

Perhaps that's because doing so would be in violation of the CS and therefore is not allowed... expect that this thread will not be here for long and you could possibly be reprimanded for posting it.

As to the topic at hand... I scarcely see why I, or anyone else for that matter, should care in the least.  But knock your socks off.

...Dres

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Hmm....how can an avatar be dead? Is not alive at any point of time. If someone uses this system and bites me....well I don't care, cause I don't know about it and it doesn't interrupt what I am doing. And even if something goes wrong and the system called my avatar to be dead....who in the world cares?! I'm not playing any kind of vampire roleplay, so it doesn't influence anything. Its like puting your hand on someones nose and then hold your fingers like you would have it still between them and shout "Got your nose!"

My nose is still were it belongs and I don't care if a game I don't play says I'm dead, biten or yellow with red spots.

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I really don't think you all should be jumping down this guy's throat and calling him an ignoramous when all he's trying to do is raise awareness about what is going on with this new system. If you don't have a problem with it than ok, but what he's trying to do is to inform other people who might care. I see it as a nuesance and think that people should ask permission to act something on somebody even though our avs can't be really killed. What I'm trying to wonder is what do these people get out of the game by biting people who don't even know. Is it a rp system or just a how to do call it? A score system like get x amount of bites, that's kinda boring, but whatever. I think you guys should just not jump on his back. He seems like a nice guy and someone that's just out trying to inform people of what is going on. Take care.

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I'm the one that called him an ignoramus and if you read that post, you will see its because he tried to equate someone getting bit in this silly vampire roleplay with RAPE.  I'm sorry, but you have to be either extremely stupid or a complete mental case to make that kind of comparison.  Rape is a very serious crime and a hugely traumatic experience and should not be trivialized by morons like the OP that started this post.

Nuff said

--Cinn

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I said all I really needed to in my first response to Martin Emerald.

This is, however, a forum, and that means anything that is posted here is open-ended for discussion. 

You are right that any kind of vampire/other roleplay system, that basically invades another avatar's personal space, and that's anything that constitutes spam, or requests for bites, is a nuisance. A nuisance. Not tantamount to raping someone like the OP feels it is. 

We're all entitled to an opinion.

And I will stress again that anyone who ever feels griefed/harrassed/violated always has the option of reporting the perpetrator to Linden Lab via the abuse report button inworld.

The OP may well have good intentions (didn't I also state this before), but slagging off any organisation, with or without proof, here on these forums, is against the Terms of Service. After all, the OP could just be venting because he has a personal grudge against the creator of the very thing he is warning everyone about (I stress the word "could" and I must emphasise that I am not saying I believe this to be true).  



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As far as I'm concerned if they want to pretend bite me while I'm shopping for hair or shoes, I don't really care as long as they don't talk to or bother me. It would be different if everytime you got bit you were hit with an annoying IM or chat, THEN there would be a problem. But otherwise, they can feel free to do whatever to my avatar as long as they leave ME alone.

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Yea, I understand your anger about the equation between rape and cyber biting but I'm just saying that we're all mature adults here and name calling isn't necessary. That's all I'm saying. And I can see both sides of the situation, those who don't care and those that do care and I didn't  know that was in TOS, thanks for telling me, I learn something new everyday.

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Thanks for the warning, what bothers me is the system retains info from the avatars without permission & doesnt give people a choice to not participate in it.

I don't like my info being used without my say no matter what

There should be a way to make a person invisble to this system.

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you wrote" The OP may well have good intentions (didn't I also state this before), but slagging off any organisation, with or without proof, here on these forums, is against the Terms of Service."

Proof or what? that they are biting without permisssion? its on their site. its in their documentaion. 

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Agree with you, we need an option other than being dead in thier system of not participating. like the galic necklace or being invited to the bite with yes/no option.

 

My comparing it to a rapist still holds true, but i could of compared it to RL abuse of others, like bullies or molesters. The control of others is still there.Therefore it's Similar . it allows its players to CONTROL the other person's right to not play and or be involved!

As for me having any gride against the creators of progeny. the anser is NO, i only wished they would of considered  their system as a whole. That thier system can be abused with the empowerment it gives it users.

I don't need a looking glass to know what is going on. I opened my eyes and with them open, i am seeing something lidens labs needs to get involved in and fix.

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Martin Emerald wrote:

Agree with you, we need an option other than being dead in thier system of not participating. like the galic necklace or being invited to the bite with yes/no option.

 

My comparing it to a rapist still holds true, but i could of compared it to RL abuse of others, like bullies or molesters. The control of others is still there.
Therefore it's Similar
. it allows its players to CONTROL the other person's right to not play and or be involved!

As for me having any gride against the creators of progeny. the anser is NO, i only wished they would of considered  their system as a whole. That thier system can be abused with the empowerment it gives it users.

I don't need a looking glass to know what is going on. I opened my eyes and with them open, i am seeing something lidens labs needs to get involved in and fix.

Martin, I appreciate you are very emotionally disturbed by this particular system. You've voiced your opinion loud and clear.

In my opinion, there are plenty of worse things in Second Life that LL need to "get involved in and fix", but attempting to trouble-cause on a forum, and flame at anyone who does not share your own opinion, is certainly not the right way to go about getting Linden Lab involved.

What I do advise is what I advise to everyone, in Second Life or in Real Life - if you see anything that does not sit right with you, if anyone sees anything that does not seem right, or legal, or is discomfiting, then we all have a responsibility to report it to the appropriate authorities. 

In short, if anyone is offended by the vampire system they can and should report it inworld via the Abuse Report system.  It would be wholly wrong of Linden Lab to just swoop in and decide to remove it, just because you particularly don't like it. 

It is nothing like rape, but to you obviously it is, which does suggest you have had some kind of real life trauma that is making you have such harsh judgement, and I suggest you seek help in real life for that.

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