Linden Lab is not doing anything to ban a Age-Play Ring that i keep reporting!

[Lonewolf Lightworker]

i have reported a age-play ring for 4+ months now and i added pics, movies, and even added text. proof,

proof of the owner admiting to even "cartoon child porn" in his sim, and this is what the owner said, whicth i added to the reports i just made all morning long today..

""[00:34]  (*****.*****): its all drawn pornography, drawn kiddy porn is not illegal in an adult sim""

 

i made the name not show in this form just so no 1 can report me..

 

so.. if he admited to that then why has'nt Linden Lab banned the age play group yet? i have been watching it for 6 months and nothing has happend =/ i watched the players i reported and trhey still come Online and still ageplay.. 

 

do you think i need to tell the Germany police about what Linden Lab is leting players do, just to have the mess start over agin like in the year 2004 and in 2007? back then it took Germany Police to make Linden Lab work harder on baning Age-Players by saying if they do not try to, then Germany will make Second Life "iliggle to play" to German Players,.. "yes i know usa and china and japan and other contrys will still be able to play second life" but German Players will no longer be allowd to..making Linden lab lose a lot of $... so tell me LL.. is this what you want me to do? ...is this what i will have to do to yall? 

 

mabey some second life players can IM me in the game and i can tell you all about the age-play group and how it works, then you cna help me get it banned somehow.. Thank You! =) 

 

and yes i my english and spelling sucks! no need to tell me :) 

[Sy Beck]

I see that you've already raised this http://community.secondlife.com/t5/General-Discussions/dose-anyone-havedoes-anyone-have-any-contact-info-on-the-police/m-p/320651#M133044 and have already confirmed to yourself that the assertion that drawings are not illegal is correct.  I'd advise you to raise the subject individually with LL for their view on the matter, though I'm sure they will just point you to the relevant guidelines.  An AR is not going to give you a response of their decision on the particular person you refer to.

I'm sure any Google search will give you contact details of the German police or why not report to your own country's authorities if you want to go that route.

[Maelstrom Janus]

Age play its a disgrace all those 400 years + vampires being allowed to run around and pick on us 40 somethings !!

:smileyvery-happy:

[Dresden Ceriano]

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Lonewolf Lightworker wrote:

mabey some second life players can IM me in the game and i can tell you all about the age-play group and how it works, then you cna help me get it banned somehow.. Thank You! =)

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Brilliant.... now you're advertising it.

...Dres *wonders if this would be considered spam*

[Ariel Vuissent]

Do you know they're doing anything other than looking at drawn images? Because as awful as that might seem to you, they're right - it's not illegal. Looking at RL child porn is, but not drawn stuff, I'm pretty sure. If you have proof that they're actually age-playing - group chat logs about it, personal chat logs, local chat - then you have something valid to report. If it's just speculation based off of pictures...Good luck with that.

[Orca Flotta]

German police? Are you really that daft? LL are a company based in the United States of America, which is a bit outside off German jurisdiction. Remember that big dipper in between Europe and America ... Atlantic ocean or what it's called?

[Michaelatv Destiny]

This poster brings up a valid thread, I actually remember how I heard about second life, not from the web or a friend,

It was actually a Sky news breaking story of a childrens abuse playground. This business reared it ugly head again in 2007 as said, And The UK govenment at that time, nearly decided to ban United Kingdom players from using Second life.

Our LEGAL rules in this country are very strict, its an offence, even to depict or draw porn like cartoon child images or videos in this country, even to have such images on your computor  can be an offence here. A lot of people in uk, stopped visiting a lot of the adult parts of SL at the time. because reporters were going in and looking for content or, maybe some home office snoopers, would be looking for offenders.      Anime cartoons, have always been a favourite art form for me, but any under age content, which in Anime, there is a fine line to what is and what isnt,  I delete or put on a CD, just to be on safe side.  Differant countries have differing regulations, But I know germany and many other EU states have outlawed looking/ or engaging in acts, even in a virtual world such as second life, which has any connection to kiddy pixel sex or abuse. The OP, is very right to be concerned.

I well remember the Long threads in here, of that time, and I supported the Child Avatar groups, when I was invited to visit some of them at  the sims they lived in. 

 

Sadly this sim owner is, going to attract press attention soon, if he is not careful, and any bad publicity for the genuine Children players is always going to be a bad thing for them again.     LL will only act, if A news story breaks and someone from LL will have to answer some questions. sadly,    ARs and other complaints rarely seem to get addressed these days!!

[Maelstrom Janus]

Ironic complaints about child porn here and on the same forum someone complaining about attempts to tighten up on internet control....

cant have it all ways folks....

[Theresa Tennyson]

Here in the States you'll occasionally find ads on the Internet screaming "THE TRUTH ABOUT ACAI BERRY - IS IT DANGEROUS?" and then when you click on them you'll read "No, Acai Berry is wonderful and will make you eight feet tall and bulletproof - buy some from ME."

Reading the original poster's message I immediately suspected that this was his/her group and they're trying to get people interested in sexual ageplay to contact them to "find out about it." If this is what they want? Busted! If somehow it ISN'T? All they're really doing is advertising it like other posters have said.

[Michaelatv Destiny]

Ariel, just like to correct you on what you said, " looking at  cartoon child images" is not Illegal. "

However i can assure you that in the UK at least, it is an offence., even more so, if it involves any sexual nature, Instant arrest here, and your computor confiscated as evidence!!

[Maelstrom Janus]

Yes but the irony is a man can go and get an underage girl pregnant in the uk and get away with it....

[Ariel Vuissent]

Not in the US, which is where I'm from and where LL is based. If the individual were looking at the images in the UK (or another country where doing so is illegal), they could get arrested there, but LL, being US-based, is unlikely to do anything just for LOOKING at cartoon-drawn images. LL is bound by US laws; users are bound by the laws of whatever country they are in, of course.

ETA: LL is unlikely to do anything until and unless there is a public scandal/outcry about the issue. Either way, posting in the forums "this group is bad, IM me and I'll tell you all about it" isn't the most effective way to get something done.

[Griffin Ceawlin]

Go ahead and keep reporting, Lonewolf. Why you feel the need to keep harping about it here or why you have such a hardon for this group that you followed here from Meta7... only you can answer.

ETA: LL takes allegations of ageplay very seriously. If your "evidence" was anywhere near credible, LL would act on it.

[PeterCanessa Oh]

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Lonewolf Lightworker wrote:

...do you think i need to tell the Germany police about what Linden Lab is leting players do

Yes - go for it.  You have your case documented, so there is no reason not to report it.  Whether or not this specific activity is illegal in the USA, if it is illegal in Germany then the police will take up the case.

That means puppet France will too, abject debtors Italy, Portugal, Spain and (of course) Greece will have to.  Ireland probably won't join in out of bloody-mindedness but will ban everything as anti-Catholic so the effect will be the same.  Austria will keep internet access open for philosophical considerations, Benelux because they hate being seen to do what Germany and France want amd Monaco so they can charge for it.  Britain will take twice as long to introduce a law twice as restrictive that doesn't work anyway and then blame it on 'the EU'.

[Michaelatv Destiny]

Yes Mael, Well the laws an ass!!:matte-motes-angry:   sometimes,   Where ever you live!   UK Teen pregnancys are highest in europe, but, Still a boy under of the age of consent can still be be done, But then, he can't be named for legal reasons. Its all Crass laws from Victorian times, which still is here in 2011. Yes, boys get girls pregnant, and mostly, as you say, they get away with it, but if some one tried to open a USA style bookshop, with Booths for guys or girls to have anonymous sex with, in UK  thatsso illegal!!    but in my book, it keeps a balance. Rather like Brothels, some people say, if you legalise them, you take some of the undersirables off the streets, but, of course, theres always going to be those that are attracted to children, and that's something society has to live with.

[Perrie Juran]

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Sy Beck wrote:

I see that you've already raised this 

http://community.secondlife.com/t5/General-Discussions/dose-anyone-havedoes-anyone-have-any-contact-info-on-the-police/m-p/320651#M133044

 and have already confirmed to yourself that the assertion that drawings are not illegal is correct.  I'd advise you to raise the subject individually with LL for their view on the matter, though I'm sure they will just point you to the relevant guidelines.  An AR is not going to give you a response of their decision on the particular person you refer to.

I'm sure any Google search will give you contact details of the German police or why not report to your own country's authorities if you want to go that route.

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Thank you for pointing that thread out.

Please notice closely what he said there:

"ok so i found a open sim game that uses the secondlife data and it is Online,"  (my emphasis)

I am now seriously wondering if what he found is NOT part of the grid.  Open Sims do use SL software. 

To the OP, were you logged into Second Life when you found this.  If it was on what is known as "Open Sims" Linden Lab would have no ability to do anything about it beyond possibly passing your report on to the police.  And here in the U.S.  for better or for worse, cartoon porn is not illegal.

[Michaelatv Destiny]

Love that posting peter!! UK decency regulations  system is a joke. Did you know two guys can make out in a UK sauna, but technically, if a third was to join in, thats illegal. Fortunetely Saunas have to be licensed as a club in UK, which covers them.

But still, no one opens any adult cinemas in UK, because of that law in simple terms.   Shame really, look  at all that tax income from hundreds of Bookstores & Theatres that would open up.    letting guys and there wifes have some fun. like they do in States. Mind you, british are not clever with Sexual health, and proberly there would be a huge increase in STDs. Anyway, getting off subject, and its time for tea.:matte-motes-grin:

[Syo Emerald]

Are we talking about the same USA? I mean the USA where naked skin is much more censored than any kind of violence, where a halfnaked breast causes more trouble than having a weapon at home? :matte-motes-bashful-cute-2:

So why did you want to laugh about the UK?

[Innula Zenovka]

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Michaelatv Destiny wrote:

This poster brings up a valid thread, I actually remember how I heard about second life, not from the web or a friend,

It was actually a Sky news breaking story of a childrens abuse playground. This business reared it ugly head again in 2007 as said, And The UK govenment at that time, nearly decided to ban United Kingdom players from using Second life.

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 I'm sure you're right, but I don't recall reading anything  at the time about HMG nearly deciding to ban us from using SL, and an admittedly quick search on Google leaves me no better informed.

You wouldn't be able to point me to a news story about this, would you?

[Michaelatv Destiny]

I would laugh Syc, but I do live in Uk, which has the most peadophile population almost anywhere, Gary Glitter springs to mind, as well as many prominent names in showbiz and other higher offices, caught with child porn on there computors.

As far ar US law is concerned, its very aparent, it depends which state you live, instead of Our One country the UK.

The bookstores and theaters for gay /bi guys and there Bi girlfriends to enjoy "buddy Booths" I think they call them , in the USA, is legal, in almost every state. There is some states like NY which has about 20 of these at least, if anybody knows  Squirt, you can see all the listings for canada, US and mexico.

Your charactisation naked breasts versus Guns, is typical of almost all governments who act as your nanny, and I do so hate cencorship of any kind. true, some vunerable people of the community in any country, need protection from grooming etc etc.

But what we talking here, is consenting adults, that should have the right to go to a Place and have naughty times, as long as its not in a Public place, (like George Michael did)

It makes me wonder where the laws came from governing the USA.  owning a gun or rifle, especially, if its been seen in the open, even a deactivated one,(which could be made active again)  is almost a dead cert jail term offence in UK unless its got a license, , which is very hard to get!    (Not the BB ball ones).

can't see the logic of someone making a complaint about a womans boobs, when americans kill each other in noted school massacres, because the USA gun lobby always seem to have to have free hand to use the right to hold arms going back centuries.

This of course is not a new problem, for years, I been trying to buy adult items on Ebay, but as soon as log in, im told im been blocked from accessing adult items, because of decency laws, which may breach uk regulations.   Also it has a lot to do with Paypal, who, for a long time, will not, even if it means they lose income,   allow there buying procedures to purchase adult  items.  Funny really, when you think, that Virtual vibrators, Pussys and cocks which do everything can be bought almost anywhere in Second life, but Paypal don't seem to take  notice of that consideration!!

 

As far as naked skin is concerned, in other parts of europe even the adverts have naked breasts or a cartoon **bleep** chasing a **bleep**, advertizing condoms etc.

Its all very confusing, and thats why theres so many grey areas in the adult market between countries. The bottom line is, that age play groups rearing its head in SL again, should be investigated and closed by LL as part of their TOS, but I wonder if age play is mentioned as being against  the new TOS that was revamped in 2010?

Im surprised that a half naked breast gets any sort of mileage in US, when 1, they allow almost anybody to own a killing machine, and secondly to allow, people to openly go and pay a booth in a Bookstore and have naked sex, will all and sundry.

[Michaelatv Destiny]

Hi, unfortunetly I can't as it was a long time ago now, What I can tell you, that it was a big story back then, not once, but twice, It wasnt' only UK residents that may have been banned from accessing SL. I  remember some other european countries were considering it too.

What lead to us, still being in SL today, was down to some innacurate reporting at a later date, some reporters were making avatars and looking around for evidence, well the playground had already gone, But one of them, met a normal Child Avatar, and he tried to make out to this person he was interested. As we know now, Chlld Avatars are adults like ourselves, met many over my time in SL, took them sailing, shopping, and they were all 20-40 something.  You can still find stores that you can buy pretty girls frocks and things, for child avatars.

These discussions about child Avatars etc, is a complex and sometimes still a grey area. But The Child Avatar that was approached by this reporter in guise made a complaint, to LL, when ARs and other matters were looked into within 24 hours.  The result, was that, it was proved, that the child in question, was in fact an adult, NOT an underaged child, which lots of news stories, wrongly said they were.   That satisfied the countries that were uncomfortable allowing its citizens to perhaps interact with 7 year olds, when in FACT that wasn't the case.

[Michaelatv Destiny]

Innula, I found the Skynews report from 2007 on google, not giving url here, just search "Skynews investigates peadophile playground called wonderland."

[Ceka Cianci]

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Michaelatv Destiny wrote:

I would laugh Syc, but I do live in Uk, which has the most peadophile population almost anywhere, Gary Glitter springs to mind, as well as many prominent names in showbiz and other higher offices, caught with child porn on there computors.

As far ar US law is concerned, its very aparent, it depends which state you live, instead of Our One country the UK.

The bookstores and theaters for gay /bi guys and there Bi girlfriends to enjoy "buddy Booths" I think they call them , in the USA, is legal, in almost every state. There is some states like NY which has about 20 of these at least, if anybody knows  Squirt, you can see all the listings for canada, US and mexico.

Your charactisation naked breasts versus Guns, is typical of almost all governments who act as your nanny, and I do so hate cencorship of any kind. true, some vunerable people of the community in any country, need protection from grooming etc etc.

But what we talking here, is consenting adults, that should have the right to go to a Place and have naughty times, as long as its not in a Public place, (like George Michael did)

It makes me wonder where the laws came from governing the USA.  owning a gun or rifle, especially, if its been seen in the open, even a deactivated one,(which could be made active again)  is almost a dead cert jail term offence in UK unless its got a license, , which is very hard to get!    (Not the BB ball ones).

can't see the logic of someone making a complaint about a womans boobs, when americans kill each other in noted school massacres, because the USA gun lobby always seem to have to have free hand to use the right to hold arms going back centuries.

This of course is not a new problem, for years, I been trying to buy adult items on Ebay, but as soon as log in, im told im been blocked from accessing adult items, because of decency laws, which may breach uk regulations.   Also it has a lot to do with Paypal, who, for a long time, will not, even if it means they lose income,   allow there buying procedures to purchase adult  items.  Funny really, when you think, that Virtual vibrators, Pussys and cocks which do

everything

can be bought almost anywhere in Second life, but Paypal don't seem to take  notice of that consideration!!

 

As far as naked skin is concerned, in other parts of europe even the adverts have naked breasts or a cartoon **bleep** chasing a **bleep**, advertizing condoms etc.

Its all very confusing, and thats why theres so many grey areas in the adult market between countries. The bottom line is, that age play groups rearing its head in SL again, should be investigated and closed by LL as part of their TOS, but I wonder if age play is mentioned as being against  the new TOS that was revamped in 2010?

Im surprised that a half naked breast gets any sort of mileage in US, when 1, they allow almost anybody to own a killing machine, and secondly to allow, people to openly go and pay a booth in a Bookstore and have naked sex, will all and sundry.

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we are only 200+ years old..give us time to catch up lol

and as far as those school shootings..those were not from legit gun owners..they did not have the right to have arms legally..

 

[Innula Zenovka]

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Michaelatv Destiny wrote:

Innula, I found the Skynews report from 2007 on google, not giving url here, just search "Skynews investigates peadophile playground called wonderland."

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Yeah, I remember that.  It's written up here and, later, here.  It was also reported in The Register.

However, what I don't remember, and what I can nowhere find reported, is that, as you put it, "The UK govenment at that time, nearly decided to ban United Kingdom players from using Second life."  

And I'm rather surprised The Register, at least, didn't pick it up.   Do you have any recollection of where you might have seen reports that HMG were considering banning us from using SL?  And what changed their minds?

[Michaelatv Destiny]

yeah sweety perhaps, but the right for any American to own a gun, even if licensed, still gives an uncomfortable feeling to many here. You can only legally get a licence in UK to own a gun, if your a registered pest controller, maybe a farmer protecting livestock,  or a very controlled member of a sporting club etc.  There are no normal life instances, where you are allowed to own a firearm.   I would love a replica Walther PPK to go with my large james Bond collection, but even fake guns in this country are frowned upon, and more than one person wielding a fake gun in the last 15 years+ has been shot dead by Police marksmen.

 

The only PPK like that  you can legally buy in UK, without a licence is A CO2 gas propelled PPK.177  BB, which at £180 isnt going to make me rush out to get it.  Even then, take it outside, in a public place, someone may see it, and ring the police, hence the firearm squad will come, will take it as being a real gun regardless,    and thats when you at risk from mistakingly being shot.:matte-motes-agape: