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I agree. There are many things that cause people to quit SL and sometimes I'm sure that a culmination of things cause it.

There have many things that the decision makers at LL have done over the years that have caused my heart to sink, and most of those things didn't affect me in the slightest - except that disheartened feeling each time. I sometimes get disheartened when reading the forum, that LL have had a huge amount of time working on the marketplace and still they can't get it to work properly. Xstreet and OnRez managed it, but LL can't manage it. It's just another thing that I find disheartening even though it doesn't affect me at all.

But it was the very idea of trading without the need for any presence whatsoever in SL (except a magic box, and even that's intended to disappear), and the idea that that's the way it's all evolving, with the result that SL is the lesser for it, that disheartened me enough to start this thread.

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Phil Deakins wrote:

That's true about the peak. I think we all knew that many of the 85k-90k were bots, some of which were mine
:)

lol i remember hehehehe

but you guys had to do what you had to do back then..

i had always thought that if LL would have moved faster or caught on to the upswing and advertised more when they left the teen k's they would have really took off like a face book in a way..

 

but while facebook and whatever that otherone was called..myspace were taking off..they sat on it..maybe it was that the grid wasn't ready for that kind of influx or something?

i just remember back then everyone wondering when the grid was gonna explode when we hit 30k LOL

now it seems like thats their direction..

did they just not recognise they had the potential to join that train or were they just not ready for that train?

 

 

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WADE1 Jya wrote:

What i think is a potential solution is something like this.

Its tempting to think oh throw out the marketplace, its competing with inworld places/experiences...

Yet what is missing is
only the connection
between the marketplace & all that great missing inworld experience. we simply need to better connect the marketplace to all that social & rich content that is only found inworld. right now marketplace is muffling the inworld, yet in future i think lindens will set up the marketplace to be used as a voice to amplify the inworld experience!

Reading some of linden's stated future goals for marketplace - i see a point in future where marketplace & inworld enmesh together ....not appearing as two seperate places... it will all join. A seller without an inworld presence would need one to compete in this scenario, much to lindens benefit.

Quite right.  The only thing is that the "stated future goals for marketplace" have included that integration ever since LL bought out the private marketplace websites.  It is the only reason for LL to own it, but instead they've wasted all this time on trivial crap.  Meanwhile, Marketplace merchants applaud, stupidly oblivious that getting their petty features implemented has racked up opportunity cost that threatens the whole platform.

What's troubling right now is that they've chosen to implement "magic boxless" Inventory-transfer transactions.  That may be the easiest path to reducing the plague of failed deliveries, but it achieves this only by isolating Marketplace even further from the sims and Land and in-world experience.  One step forward, two steps back.  Again.

 

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this merchant not applauding marketplace "tools" at all.  applauding the concept as a convenience for customers who don't care to shop inworld - and there are many different styles of shopping. 

not sure which petty features got implemented.  Do tell!  the one I was waiting for got pulled.

it was very rough year for some merchants using marketplace.  looks like many figured out how to make it work in spite of things.  Most were not oblivious about stuff at all - much was a sock in the gut.

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Ceka Cianci wrote:
...but while facebook and whatever that otherone was called..myspace were taking off..they sat on it..maybe it was that the grid wasn't ready for that kind of influx or something?

i just remember back then everyone wondering when the grid was gonna explode when we hit 30k LOL

now it seems like thats their direction..

did they just not recognise they had the potential to join that train or were they just not ready for that train? 

They weren't ready. I remember the 1.7 update [late 2005 IIRC] that turned SL into 'Grey Life' for the best part of a week. It just so happened that it coincided with a major rave review in some major US magazine and n00bs were raining out the sky at every welcome area the next day. Very few of them stayed on.

Sadly the back-end hardware wasn't up to the job. Which is a shame. It's improved vastly over the years with concurrency levels [yeah, everyone whines about them being low] that people could only have dreamed of and would have probably killed the grid stone-dead back then.

At least it's still here and evolving. Which has to be a good thing.

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Ceka Cianci wrote:


Phil Deakins wrote:

That's true about the peak. I think we all knew that many of the 85k-90k were bots, some of which were mine
:)

lol i remember hehehehe

but you guys had to do what you had to do back then..

 

I loved my bots. The system I created for them was beautiful, and a joy to behold :)

 

 


Ceka Cianci wrote:

i just remember back then everyone wondering when the grid was gonna explode when we hit 30k LOL

I remember users saying that "We all know what happens. When concurrency hits 30k, SL crashes." That was when concurrency reached 30k quite often and the grid crashed quite often. The SL system was living on the edge at that time but LL put a good deal of work into scalability and things have improved a lot since then - concurrencywise, that is.

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Phil Deakins wrote:


Ceka Cianci wrote:


Phil Deakins wrote:

That's true about the peak. I think we all knew that many of the 85k-90k were bots, some of which were mine
:)

lol i remember hehehehe

but you guys had to do what you had to do back then..

 

I loved my bots. The system I created for them was beautiful, and a joy to behold
:)

 

 


 

   omg who could forget how much you loved them LOL

 

    i actually enjoyed how in RA you were so proud of them..it would bug the crap out of some people lol

 

    still..at least you had time and effort into your work and something to sell that people wanted hehehe..

 

    without them someone else with bots would have stepped up in that spot..

 

    clubs were the worst because it was a past time thing  for residents..clubs with owners with no experience would just pop up over night and bam instant 40 bots and sploders pulling sploader bots racking up traffic moving up the list with nobody really ever going there..

 

    that and bot filled free sex clubs.

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Mickey Vandeverre wrote:

not sure which petty features got implemented.  Do tell!  the one I was waiting for got pulled.

You got me there.  I gave up on Marketplace back when Pink was running the show, and never understood most of the requests that were being made.  Back then, a coterie of Marketplace merchants fell all over themselves to praise her for every tiny tweak, but it's possible they've gotten smarter and realize that, however pleasant it might be for purchased items to be delivered more reliably, for example, it just isn't going to matter if it means there's not enough stuff happening in-world to motivate a critical mass of logins any more.

But I do remember one thing that was requested, however many years ago that was, which seemed obvious and trivial to implement on any sensible commerce platform -- and which I notice must still be on the wish list: collapsing multiple colors / variations into a single listing.  I know that because whenever I try to search Marketplace for anything, the first four pages of matches are invariably every color in the rainbow applied to some spuriously named slutwear.

So that's even more depressing: Not only have they not done the one important thing that would actually benefit SL, they evidently haven't even made short-term improvements local to the Marketplace itself.

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I know I would spend muuuuch less money(and time) in SL if it weren't for Marketplace.:D I just don't have time to tp around and wait for things to rez. I also refer more unusual styles... and those are much easier to find on marketplace. And I prefer to shop alone so the soical part isn't inmprtant either. One way one can get people in worl is to make demos only available in world.:)

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Ceka Cianci wrote:

omg who could forget how much you loved them LOL

 

actually enjoyed how in RA you were so proud of them..it would bug the crap out of some people lol

hehe. I enjoyed RA and its community feel, and I enjoyed those "discussions" - a lot :) No forum system that LL has produced since then has come close to what RA was.

 


    that and bot filled free sex clubs.

Ooo. That reminded me of a couple of things. One was a 50L for 30 minutes of sex place, with avatars who didn't talk - the poster said that they wouldn't respond. I'd never heard of bots at the time but that's what they were. I should add that I was there with a female friend who wanted to put her poster ad in the reception. She was an escort and they did place those ads there for a weekly fee.

The other thing was a chat with a female customer. By that time I had bots on demo sex beds, as I still do. The idea in the discussion was to put up some sex beds away from the store's main area, where people could get their jollies with bots for free, as some people did occasionally with the demo bots - including that customer! I didn't do it though. I think the new adult rules came along quite soon afterwards.

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They did make one improvement, and that was adding a search within your individual store, which is very handy if you have more than say 50 items listed.

I don't think they've addressed the adding multiple colors in one listing, though.

They added a super option over a month ago that allowed you to place and control whatever you wanted on the first entry page.  Right now, you get the best sellers, but that means people will see the same thing over and over when they arrive at your front page, and those will continue to be best sellers as a function of being placed on first page.  So your new items go to the very last page, unless someone uses new item search.

The day they did that, some of my christmas stuff ended up on first page, and started selling again!  so it was very clear that people tend to buy from the first page big time.  Was also very very good sales days the two or three days that feature was in place, as we were able to go in all day and rearrange items for a fresh look.

But there was a glitch on it for some, and they removed the feature, and I've not noticed a peep or an update at all since then.

Many are requesting store categories to organize.  And many are requesting the ability to offer several product lines within a store.  I'm waiting patiently for both of those, in fact have a product line that is just sitting in workshop until that happens.

I really don't know what they do all day.  Have not seen any other new features, and the months drag on.

All of the above and more are conveniences and enhancements for the shoppers as well.   Narrows down the time they have to spend searching.

 

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Couldn't afford $5 a month tier - really? Couldn't afford a tiny parcel with this glut of land?

It's entirely possible some people just want to maximize profit going in, and eliminate costs. I doubt (most) people can't afford land, when it's never been cheaper, RL or SL.

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there are several magic box rentals around 10l$ per box.

my MP profits can go straight to my bank.

no need for a store, just 10 l$ a week for 1 prim.

makes me wonder how many don't bother with SL anymore and just collect the MP profits.

a lot i imagine.

i'll probably do the same.

 

 

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