Question: is this against the covenant/maturity rating or not?

[Clem Marques]

I decided to get a Linden Home for my alt - a trad. I began to decorate it, and when I was almost fully done, I stepped outside to add a few things to the garden area. That's when I noticed the house of one of my neighbors. All of the windows are fully open/uncovered, so the interior of the house is visible without having to cam into their home to see it. Unfortunately, every single wall of the house is covered in large RL nude pictures of the parcel's owner in different poses. No, I am not making this up. Yes, I know it's crazy. I have never come across this in Belli before.

The pictures are all indoors, but they are very clearly visible from the street due to their size and position, and the open windows.

Is this allowed? Or is there something in the covenant or TOS/maturity ratings that forbids this, since Bellisseria is Moderate (not Adult)?

I'm not sure, so I'd love to get the input of others regarding this situation. I won't AR it unless I know for sure it's not allowed.

Thanks in advance.

Edited November 20 by Clem Marques

[Love Zhaoying]

Since the problem "art" is not "behind closed doors" (is visible to the public), that would SEEM to go against the covenant..

 

[Teresa Firelight]

it cant hurt to AR it.. the worst that happens is that the governance staff decides not to act on it.

On another note, for yourself personally after you are done ARing.... you can use the "Derender and Blacklist" option in firestorm to never see it again, whether or not governance acts promptly on your AR

 

[Love Zhaoying]

Make sure to include pictures with any AR - hopefully it won't make you look like a voyeur!

Personally, I'd hate to switch to Firestorm only for something like this.

[Rowan Amore]

56 minutes ago, Clem Marques said:

I decided to get a Linden Home for my alt - a trad. I began to decorate it, and when I was almost fully done, I stepped outside to add a few things to the garden area. That's when I noticed the house of one of my neighbors. All of the windows are fully open/uncovered, so the interior of the house is visible without having to cam into their home to see it. Unfortunately, every single wall of the house is covered in large RL nude pictures of the parcel's owner in different poses. No, I am not making this up. Yes, I know it's crazy. I have never come across this in Belli before.

The pictures are all indoors, but they are very clearly visible from the street due to their size and position, and the open windows.

Is this allowed? Or is there something in the covenant or TOS/maturity ratings that forbids this, since Bellisseria is Moderate (not Adult)?

I'm not sure, so I'd love to get the input of others regarding this situation. I won't AR it unless I know for sure it's not allowed.

Thanks in advance.

Nudity, in and of itself, is not Adult and is permitted in Moderate regions.  Unless they are nude and engaged in adult activity or it's obscene (think porn shots and not Playboy), I doubt LL will remove it but it never hurts to try.

[Love Zhaoying]

1 minute ago, Rowan Amore said:

Nudity, in and of itself, is not Adult and is permitted in Moderate regions.  Unless they are nude and engaged in adult activity or it's obscene (think porn shots and not Playboy), I doubt LL will remove it but it never hurts to try.

Understood - since Nudity is ok, visible photos of RL nudity should be OK too.  That makes sense..

[Clem Marques]

24 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

Unless they are nude and engaged in adult activity or it's obscene (think porn shots and not Playboy), I doubt LL will remove it but it never hurts to try.

Good point. They're not necessarily engaged in adult activity in the pictures, but the person is fully naked in all of them, Playboy style. So maybe it's fine (?) I think I will just move to a new house instead of ARing that person, it's free anyway. But rather frustrating, since I moved out of an adult-rated region precisely to avoid that type of thing.

[Clem Marques]

1 hour ago, Teresa Firelight said:

On another note, for yourself personally after you are done ARing.... you can use the "Derender and Blacklist" option in firestorm to never see it again, whether or not governance acts promptly on your AR

Thanks for the tip. That feature in Firestorm is extremely useful. The only thing that bothers me is that, even if I can't see them anymore, my guests would still be faced with the neighbor's nudes, and that could be unpleasant/inappropriate depending on the person. I think I'd rather move elsewhere and forget about it, problem solved.

[Synndalicious]

Do you mean I can run naked outside my Belli house? lol 

[Rowan Amore]

1 hour ago, Clem Marques said:

Thanks for the tip. That feature in Firestorm is extremely useful. The only thing that bothers me is that, even if I can't see them anymore, my guests would still be faced with the neighbor's nudes, and that could be unpleasant/inappropriate depending on the person. I think I'd rather move elsewhere and forget about it, problem solved.

Actually, looking again at what belongs in Adult, it says...(So I can surmise that RL nudity belongs in Adult and NOT Moderate)

The Adult designation applies to Second Life regions that host, conduct, or display content that is sexually explicit, intensely violent, or depicts illicit drug use.  A region must be designated Adult if it hosts, advertises, or publicly promotes:

•  
• Photo-realistic nudity.

Edited November 20 by Rowan Amore

[Love Zhaoying]

28 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

Actually, looking again at what belongs in Adult, it says...(So I can surmise that RL nudity belongs in Adult and NOT Moderate)

The Adult designation applies to Second Life regions that host, conduct, or display content that is sexually explicit, intensely violent, or depicts illicit drug use.  A region must be designated Adult if it hosts, advertises, or publicly promotes:

•  
• Photo-realistic nudity.

I wonder what that will mean / if it will change when someday, presumably, our avatars are "photo-realistic" without using photo processing / AI tools?

[Blush Bravin]

Some avatars are already pretty photo-realistic, IMO. But this is new to me. I never saw that stipulation before. Guess I wasn't reading the TOS closely enough.

[Lyric Demina]

3 hours ago, Rowan Amore said:

A region must be designated Adult if it hosts, advertises, or publicly promotes:

•  
• Photo-realistic nudity.

Interesting!  But is it public promotion if it's inside a private home, even if the windows are open, is the question for governance.  I suppose this is the "case by case" basis category.

[Clem Marques]

16 minutes ago, Lyric Demina said:

Interesting!  But is it public promotion if it's inside a private home, even if the windows are open, is the question for governance.  I suppose this is the "case by case" basis category.

The parcel's owner has the location listed on her profile, and no security orb, so the "porn" is fully accessible. And it can be seen from the outside. So maybe it could be considered "public promotion". Not fully sure.

[animats]

Please don't do that in Bellessaria. Move to Zindra or Horizons. There's plenty of space and nobody will be bothered.

There's less adult activity in Zindra than there used to be. Someone just moved in across the street from my motorcycle shop, and set up a house with snow and Xmas decorations. Gentrification is arriving.

[Nika Talaj]

I would check their profile to see if any nude RL photos are there.  If so, profiles are supposed to be rated "General", because any account can view them.  Thus, suggestive nudity, of an avatar or RL, can be AR'd.

Adult content FAQ: 

Quote

 

What about profiles?

Content in profiles must be General, and must obey the Terms of Service and Community Standards.

 

 

In an AR of the profile, one could mention that RL nude pics are also clearly visible from outside their parcel in a Linden Home region, and give a SLURL to it.  Worth a try.

[Clem Marques]

13 hours ago, Nika Talaj said:

I would check their profile to see if any nude RL photos are there.  If so, profiles are supposed to be rated "General", because any account can view them.  Thus, suggestive nudity, of an avatar or RL, can be AR'd.

Adult content FAQ: 

 

In an AR of the profile, one could mention that RL nude pics are also clearly visible from outside their parcel in a Linden Home region, and give a SLURL to it.  Worth a try.

The owner of the parcel has a RL nude as her profile picture, and a link to the linden home in her picks, telling people to go look at it. Good point, it might be a good idea to mention both things in a single report, if I decide to AR.

13 hours ago, animats said:

Please don't do that in Bellessaria. Move to Zindra or Horizons. There's plenty of space and nobody will be bothered.

Fully agree.

[Katherine Heartsong]

2 hours ago, Clem Marques said:

The owner of the parcel has a RL nude as her profile picture, and a link to the linden home in her picks, telling people to go look at it.

I'd say that's promoting right there, full stop.

[Lyric Demina]

Just now, Katherine Heartsong said:

I'd say that's promoting right there, full stop.

If it were my decision to rule on it, I'd fully agree.

[Love Zhaoying]

2 hours ago, Clem Marques said:

The owner of the parcel has a RL nude as her profile picture, and a link to the linden home in her picks, telling people to go look at it.

If you DID gaze into the cavernous maw of despair (assumed to be shown in their RL photos, "Hustler" style), would it gaze back? Or would it wink at you? I'd be afraid of falling in!

 

[diamond Marchant]

1. My experience with a similar situation suggests that Governance will not act on your report.

2. Governance appears to be prioritizing which violations they act upon, although it is not clear (to me) what their priorities are.

3. It is important to file ARs even if they are not acted upon, so that management is made aware of these issues.

4. While you are waiting... use non-escalating counter measures. You can politely ask the perp to remedy the issue. You can  build/rez things that block the view. You can abandon the Linden Home and get a new one.

[Love Zhaoying]

If only you could sneak in and draw mustaches on the pictures!

[Sparkle Bunny]

I would definitely AR before moving on, unless it was a sufficiently amazing location otherwise that I didn't mind derendering the porn.