Bree Giffen Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 It's a conspiracy I tell you. A conspiracy by all the clothing stores in SL! If nudity becomes a trend in SL that means profits would plummet! We have to wear clothes. We have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pussycat Catnap Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Venus Petrov wrote: It is not just the banner. It is also the question. One might expect this of a newbie. This OP has been around for 7 months, owns a business, has a website, etc. She also agreed to the ToS when she first signed on to SL so the simple answer would be 'it is against ToS'. I didn't realize it was a ToS violation to start discussions on the forums with questions. Or is it only a ToS violation if you have a signature that includes a graphic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kascha Matova Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Ishtara Rothschild wrote: koto Nizna wrote: if you can see naked( full frontal) actors in any national television program in your country today then its ok to be naked all the time in any sim in secondlife. ... I think that's for the sim owner to decide. My sim is divided into two areas: A store, where I expect people to leave their clothes on (even RL sex shops have a no-nudity policy), and a nude beach, where visitors may dress or undress however they like. It doesn't matter if a sim is rated adult, there might still be a dress code. I'm going to go with if you see the wrong actors naked in full frontal in any national television program in your country tonight at midnight then starting tomorrow, long before the sun comes up "it" will have decided to never be okay again in life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishtara Rothschild Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 WADE1 Jya wrote: [...] Could an accurate simulation of an Amazon tribe or a Japanese hot springs ever be considered "Moderate" in Second Life? Seems not, but very often simulations of violence & death get a free pass. What does this say about our culture? You're correct when it comes to RL laws in Western countries, especially the USA (some Western European countries are more eager to censor violent video games and movies, while allowing nudity in daytime TV commercials). But Linden Lab are actually quite even-handed when it comes to sex and violence, seeing that both is considered adult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishtara Rothschild Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 I agree that this looks suspiciously like an ad campaign (for a traffic gaming system, no less). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishtara Rothschild Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Pussycat Catnap wrote: [...] Ask almost any 'indigenous person' who's landed in the 'first world' now what they think of how they're home culture has been interpreted and be prepared for hours of angry comments about 'western idiots getting it all wrong.' You're easiest source of this is any Native American - people who are all around Americans, and yet US 'scientists' still work very hard to force wrongful interpretations of them down the throats of everyone else... Would be -very- interesting if a pack of these so-called scientests showed up and starting declaring odd things about Anglo-Americans, and calling the Anglos missinformed about their own culture when they tried to correct them... While we can never rule out Western cultural bias, science has come a long way. For example, the languages of Indigenous people used to be regarded as more primitive than Western European languages in the past, which was usually judged by their proficiency in English once they had learned to speak it as a second language. Especially in the media, Indigenous people were often shown to speak some fantasy language that consisted of a few repetitive syllables only. But when linguists started to study and classify indigenous languages, it turned out that they were a whole lot more complex than the languages of the industrialized Western World. In some cases, the leading caste used an entirely different language than ordinary people and had their words translated by interpreters. According to John McWhorter, it almost seems as if the more technologically advanced a society is, the more primitive and grammatically simplified their language becomes. Just look at the English language with its particularly simple grammar and its lack of honorifics and formal pronouns. (The same is currently happening to the Japanese language as their social hierarchy is becoming less complex). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honerken Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 AmyNevilly wrote: I mean, we're all pixels? Why are peach coloured ones discriminated against? Can't naked pixels live in harmony with clothed ones? Mainly because of jerks like me. When I see a naked woman, I going to feel something. I'm pretty sure you seen some videos of perverts at nude beaches? As long as people consider nudity sexual, it's not goijg to become a norm anytime soon, especially here in the west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kascha Matova Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Ish you must tell me the secrets of your blissful ignorance one of these days. Simply must. I've had many opportunities to see and talk to Ron Jeremy having done so much work myself (not as an actress mind you) in the adult industry, where he knew or worked with a few of the production companies I contracted and worked for. And it is for this reason, that I beseech you. How have you denied his belly to yourself so successfully? It is as unavoidable as death and taxes! BLECCH!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceka Cianci Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 most people i know have cable or satelite tv..regular tv is for when those go offline for some reason..there are lots of nude things in all hours of the day..heck we even get spartacus gods of the arena and blood and sand..and now we are getting it through our internet also.. regular tv in the U.S. would not be the best way to judge what americvans watch during the day.. some may choose sheltered life on regular tv..but there is a choice not to be so sheltered as well.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syo Emerald Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 I don´t live in the USA and I don´t know how it came that people mentioned TV in this discussion. But I think its a different thing I you (or your avatar) is nude or surroundet by nude people or if you watch some one who is nude on TV. Different feeling and to be onest, the shows where people are shown complete nude are just for the one kind of...hmm..lets call it special entertainment. In SL I won´t want to be part of a setting that maybe is conected to the picture of this entertainmentshow by just visiting a normal sim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceka Cianci Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 i'm willing to bet there are more perved minds at a beach full of wet bikinis and swim trunks than at an all nude beach where there is nothing left to the imagination of whats under there.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceka Cianci Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 glad to hear i am not normal..i'd hate to miss the next season of spartacus lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WADE1 Jya Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 "i'm willing to bet there are more perved minds at a beach full of wet bikinis and swim trunks than at an all nude beach where there is nothing left to the imagination of whats under there" This is very true! People at a nude beach... unless they are a total newbie to it.... nobody is like omg everyone here is naked! & OMG I am naked! We are just totally used to it as a way of life, thinking little of it, it is just a very comfortable way to exist. If anything people are much more discrete & polite as obviously it is rude to be staring at others in the nude and also people's personal space is respected more. You do see the leering, ogling, or other aggressive, annoying behaviors more at clothed beaches. Also at a good nude beach, there is always some people around who are vigilent to kick out pervs very quick, delete their photos if they are doing that.... etc. I've seen them do that once or twice. Incidents & problems are very rare. There is also less fights or aggression in general... it is the most peaceful environment I have experienced. I was just there yesterday and should have applied sunscreen... got sunburn everywhere... ouch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honerken Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Now why would a perv need to use his imagination when he can see all the glory at a nude beach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceka Cianci Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 honerken wrote: Now why would a perv need to use his imagination when he can see all the glory at a nude beach? i said there are more perve minds at a beach with bikini's and swim trunks than at a nude beach.. they both have perves..just more where people are wearing something.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Undercroft Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Surely not walking around naked in SL in locations where it's not expected is simply showing respect to the sensibilities of others. I've seen many occasions where male avatars strip off in an attempt to shock, intimidate and sexually harrass female avatars. Pathetic though it may be (especially when the avatar in question is one of the starter avatars and has no more display in terms of tackle than a mangina), some people do find this distressing and I can understand why. There's plenty of places to go in SL if nudity is your thing. Speaking for myself, I find SL nudity (at an appropriate location) strangely liberating and the behaviour and quality of conversation is, generally, very good at the well run nude beach I regularly attend. Nudity loses its ability to shock at such places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melita Magic Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Ian Undercroft wrote: Surely not walking around naked in SL in locations where it's not expected is simply showing respect to the sensibilities of others. This. Sometimes people who are new want the feeling of dominating the virtual world they find themselves in and want to impose their own sensibilities wherever they go. Or they think it's a free for all. But mostly, Second Life isn't like that. Just like in real life the people who pay teh bills for that piece of land have their own ideas and usually set rules according to those. Then there is the issue of TOS/land rating, and also, that you can get yourself, the person next to you and possibly the land owner in trouble - for land rating/TOS issues or if you are naked next to an obvious child avatar for example. I know it's just pixels but since many skins have at least 'those parts' photosourced it is still a bit like showing porn to strangers without asking. Some will shrug it off, others will be offended. And some people might have a child over their shoulder at home, or be somewhere they don't want a closeup of a 'part' (I'm trying to be rated G here, forum TOS) walking by their vision while they were zoomed in on a potted plant in Second Life. For instance. And frankly if it's me personally answering - I think to just wander the grid in bedroom gear or naked on purpose is tacky. Nude beaches, or other places with permission, go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueray Darkes Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 I'm not religious but I like to stay clothed for the majority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pussycat Catnap Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 Ian Undercroft wrote: Surely not walking around naked in SL in locations where it's not expected is simply showing respect to the sensibilities of others. That depends. Many people are in SL for a chance at a self liberation they cannot achieve in RL. As such bringing in RL norms and problems (see my essay earlier in the thread) is what they find to be disrespectful and off-putting. Ie: If you try to bring your RL hangups into SL, you're disrupting what they see as SL's purpose: self or social liberation. What one user brings in as the 'proper sensibility' is not going to be the same as another. As such - its best to just assume that ToS appropriate conduct -will- occur in a ToS appropriate region. Enter anywhere M or A, and expect nudity unless the location clearly says otherwise. Its basically the same issue as objecting to someone putting an ugly build on their land (something I often object to): your opinion of what's good to put on the land is not the same as other's. We can wish others would adhere to our sensibilities, but wish is all we can do; unless they cross the line of the ToS / Maturity-rating. So its best to just adjust expectations and assume that conduct which can be done will be done - and go elsewhere if it bothers us. - One reason I no longer spend much time on A-rated land. I keep a shop there, but that's it. The differences in what is allowed on M and A are moderately close to my tolerance level for 'sensibilities' others have that differ from my own. If I couldn't stand public nudity at all, I'd retreat to my G-rated lots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceka Cianci Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 men walking around with no shirts on thinking it is ok when i am shopping or out dancigng in a club or at anyplace in sl need to be put in check then..that or i'm just gonna start going toppless the second i see one lol.. they are not considered nude..but if i were to take my top off and stand next to them..it would be me that was considered the one that was nude.. maturity ratings show it is ok to be nude in mature and adult lands...just not general.. Mature and adult lands unless a sim owner or parcel owner doesn't want it on their land then that should be respcted..otherwise the same respect should be paid to someone nude as well as clothed.. people should expect to see nudity on mature lands just as they should be expecting it on adult.. normal is decided by the rules and land owners..not by people saying..just b'cause.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindal Kidd Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 Why is it not acceptable to walk around naked? Because then you don't have any pockets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aili Panthar Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Amy, I agree with you. Even with realistic skins it's not real nudity and according to the TOS everyone has to be at least 16 to join SL. We're all adults or young adults here, I don't think seeing pixel boobies and prim peeners is gonna traumatize anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melita Magic Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Aili Panthar wrote: Amy, I agree with you. Even with realistic skins it's not real nudity and according to the TOS everyone has to be at least 16 to join SL. We're all adults or young adults here, I don't think seeing pixel boobies and prim peeners is gonna traumatize anyone. But see, if it's "pixel" then why do they feel "free" and "liberated" to run around like that? Why would it matter to them either? Can't have it both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceka Cianci Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Sure you can hehehe thats the great thing about virtual worlds that allow it and immersion that can come with it...Ethics that count change from land line to land line..not user to user..in other words..another user pushing their ethics onto another user is wrong in a place where it is allowed.. "oh thats just not right put some clothes on".. "well the rules say it is allowed so i don't think i will" thats all this is really about..people dragging their RL ethics into a virtual world where we are allowed to be as free as these rules say we can..it's users trying to cramp less freedoms on others than themselves trying to make others fit into their second life and not respecting the second lives of others.. have you ever felt good about an outfit? a pair of boots or hair that fit just right or a set of eyes that changed the whole look of your face? if you have then you can see how someone can get that same feeling from a shape and skin.. it being right or wrong is not up to me or you or anyone else unless they come into our land where we may or may not allow it..that or are on General running around.. I don't run around nude myself..well not all the time hehehe..i love a lot of the fashon i buy and how it fits me..i feel good about it..it's only just a bunch of pixels..but so is all the art and everything that we can see and interact with on the net.. it's the internets atoms.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melita Magic Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 What I meant was, they can't claim that it is "only pixels" and it's silly for others to react, when the feeling of being sexy or rebellious or freeeee while running anywhere (key word, anywhere, which is what this topic was asking, right?) depends upon other people's reaction to it. Or else why wouldn't they feel just as sexy, rebellious, or freee alone on their home parcel without any pixel clothes on? Action/reaction, part of physics I gather, and part of all human interactions. We're all still human, after all; no matter which persona we choose to place before others here. We don't "drag our morals in with us" they are just there; people don't change upon log in. They are who they are. But all that philosophy aside, if someone's getting a charge out of running around inappropriate places naked (and they know that some people will feel that way - they don't 'expect' it in a shopping mall, park, roleplay zone, etc.) then they are doing so with full knowledge they are affecting other people. Negatively in some cases. I mean the classic case is the noob running around a sandbox with a giant peenor. He isn't looking for a reaction? So are the ones who want to feel 'hot' by running around in a skin we can all buy. Like with most things it's the why that counts. (Anyhow my point was to say that to claim it doesn't matter and then to feed off the reactions - even imagined ones - in whatever way is a double standard, and fooling oneself if not others.) If I were JUST speaking for myself? Unless someone is over my shoulder who has NO clue what I'm looking at or why (i.e. why is there a cartoon hooker running by?) I could not care any less about pixel nudity. Aside from my rules, which is another story and concerning other people's comfort levels and my unwillingness to deal with the mess that usually comes with it (escorts plying their wares, people sexually harassing others who come to my place for peace, etc.) After this amount of time in Second Life I could not do more than stifle a yawn at pixel nudity. BUT, I also know first hand that for many it's upsetting and for that reason I find it inconsiderate. Now that said too - I do know that sometimes the nudist is working thorugh some emotional damage, and I've in the past offered rating-appropriate land to wander nude on to people I know, if no one else is there. They never take me up on it. The only real thing I bristle at in this debate is the implication by some that anyone who has ANY objection to pixel nudity MUST be a prude - too facile. Intelligent people can do better than that slur. I've talked with too many who were in tears because someone ran at them naked, to know any differently - it DOES matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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