Eirynne Sieyes Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 I went to the Fifty Linden Friday Birthday Party today. The ground was gray and everything else was slow, even after reverting to the pre-PBR FS viewer. Enough! I logged out and have been online for similarly short visits only a handful of times in the past two or three weeks. I was counting on finding a really high-end, very bright 16-inch touch-screen mobile workstation with the August and Labor Day weekend sales, but not one laptop is to my liking. So, I guess I won't be online much for now. How about you? How is your non-PBR SL looking? 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeFlossDaily Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 6 minutes ago, Eirynne Sieyes said: Fifty Linden Friday Birthday Party I didn't notice the ground. Took awhile to get in, but the sim loaded pretty fast because I wasn't rendering others or their textures. I walked around with minimal rubber banding, probably bumped into a few ppl, but nobody seemed to mind. I bought what I came to get and left. Most places still look okej without PBR. It's rate of infection has been greatly slowed down Don't be afraid to just block DoS attack style avatars and turn the ocean into a desert. Most ppl here hate for for having an aggressive anti-PBR opinion. My advice would be don't quietly leave. Stick around and make a stand. Now is a better time to say that PBR is a dumpster fire then later. Later it will be too late. I too cannot afford a new PC. It sucks. I feel it's important for ppl to say that PBR is causing them problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eirynne Sieyes Posted August 28 Author Share Posted August 28 @WeFlossDaily Make the viewer show friends only. That's speeds up events tons! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeFlossDaily Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 4 minutes ago, Eirynne Sieyes said: Make the viewer show friends only. That's speeds up events tons! At crowded events, nobody else gets rendered and I might even go as an orb. =] 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicDelMoro Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 3 hours ago, Eirynne Sieyes said: .... I was counting on finding a really high-end, very bright 16-inch touch-screen mobile workstation with the August and Labor Day weekend sales, but not one laptop is to my liking. So, I guess I won't be online much for now. .... What no one tells you about buying a new computer : Even if you have the money to buy a new PC, this change is never easy. I compare it to moving home, everything is out of place, you have to get used to new softwares because some old ones don't run on the new PC anymore. And a lot of new adjustments, downloads etc. In short : changing PCs is pure hell, I hate it and try to avoid it as much as possible, even if I have the money. So I think it's really stupid of Linden Lab to think we're going to change our PCs just because they decided to change their software . A dumb solution would be to buy a new PC "just to play SL"... LOL .I think the LL team lacks modesty, SL is not the center of the universe and never will be . 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Nova Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 1 hour ago, RicDelMoro said: What no one tells you about buying a new computer : ... That's why I insist on a proper desktop computer, at least for SL. A Laptop is all the manufacturer's choices. When you build a desktop properly, you can retain a lot of the old one, and then enhance it in stages going forward. It helps to run a proper operating system, that is ArchLinux in my case, as Windows and Apple are, like Laptops, someone else's choices. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rasterscan Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 4 hours ago, Eirynne Sieyes said: How about you? How is your non-PBR SL looking? Ground turned grey too 😩 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milissa Rossini Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 (edited) I 1000% hate PRB. I've struggled to install/uninstall the Firestorm PRB 5 times. I am not sure my avatar appearance to other without PBR, but I found less likely I would login with PRB viewer. I am a sea lover, the PRB totally take away the ocean replacing a fake sea without images reflection on shore, boat object. Ocean just like a piece of shinning plastic. Beside, no matter what PBR eel i used, I just feel uncomfortable. Maybe our avatar mesh head, skin all not optimized for PBR as well. I love SL just like a piece of art on screen, but PBR make is something else. I never could feel any 1% benefit from PBR, but it take all that I love from SL. Edited August 28 by Milissa Rossini 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discussionbot Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 1 minute ago, Milissa Rossini said: I am a sea lover, the PRB totally take away the ocean replacing a fake sea without images reflection on shore, boat object. Ocean just like a piece of shinning plastic. This is the sole reason why I’m sticking with a non-PBR viewer until they fix the fugly mess that is PBR water. Idk what they were thinking. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 8 minutes ago, Milissa Rossini said: Ocean just like a piece of shinning plastic. Beside, no matter what PBR eel i used, I just feel uncomfortable. Maybe our avatar mesh head, skin all not optimized for PBR as well. I love SL just like a piece of art on screen, but PBR make is something else. I never could feel any 1% benefit from PBR, but it take all that I love from SL. I am sure you've tried this, but have you looked at new EEPs that have been designed specifically for PBR? They can help a lot, and a search on the MP will pull up a lot of good free ones now. The other thing you can do, at least on your own land, is create a reflection probe, that will allow you to adjust the lighting. Although I know this is a pain to do. As for the water . . . yeah . . . 7 minutes ago, discussionbot said: This is the sole reason why I’m sticking with a non-PBR viewer until they fix the fugly mess that is PBR water. Idk what they were thinking. . . . this is why I'm keeping an old version of Black Dragon around. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discussionbot Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 1 hour ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: The other thing you can do, at least on your own land, is create a reflection probe, that will allow you to adjust the lighting. Although I know this is a pain to do. I wonder if Governor Linden is about to walk a round doing this for every piece of protected sailing water sim 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 1 minute ago, discussionbot said: I wonder if Governor Linden is about to walk a round doing this for every piece of protected sailing water sim Governor Linden isn't even going to do it for his actual tenants in Bellisseria so . . . um, no. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extrude Ragu Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 (edited) So many people seem to turn straight towards laptops when it comes to computer upgrades and I get the impression a lot of people think they want laptops but they really don't. I mean, if it's for work you're not gonna wanna lug around a heavy gaming laptop and brick every day anyway and then for Holidays most people don't travel that often and you'll want to be enjoying your holiday anyway not playing SL. 99% of the time you're gonna be using it with your neck craned down and your wrists at an awkward angle because laptops are not ergonomic in the slightest, it's going to perform worse and make a lot of noise whilst doing it whilst simultaneously costing you twice as much and being twice as likely to fail, with 1/4 of the ability to repair it when it does. Is a laptop really worth the hassle for some semblence of portability? If all you want to do is lounge on the couch why not just use a cheap tablet to remote into your desktop? Edited August 28 by Extrude Ragu 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chic Aeon Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 For those of you that haven't been paying attention (and I was one for awhile) the Firestorm NON-PBR viewer will NOT be retired and will always be available. So folks DO have a choice (if they want to use Firestorm of course) I thought they did a good job at the FLF bash and put down prim (legacy) grass on top of the PBR ground texture so it wasn't ALL gray. My FPS were fine at 86 but I always have people turned off LOL so there is that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orwar Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 25 minutes ago, Chic Aeon said: I thought they did a good job at the FLF bash and put down prim (legacy) grass on top of the PBR ground texture so it wasn't ALL gray. Yes, because what you really want at a shopping event is a whole lot of trees and grass to clog up the rendering pipeline. Went on quite the derendering spree before I could start browsing the actual booths with some sort of timely appearance of their contents. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extrude Ragu Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 A lot of these shopping events are just really poorly optimized. The people who tend to run these events tend to be social engineers rather than software engineers. Need people who understand technical things like object occlusion, trim sheets, draw calls yada yada putting these places together. Better yet, instead of this whole FOMO thing where we try to get the whole grid into one region on one day, how about we return to regular malls so that we don't all but gauruntee a horrible laggy shopping experience for everyone? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chic Aeon Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 11 minutes ago, Orwar said: Yes, because what you really want at a shopping event is a whole lot of trees and grass to clog up the rendering pipeline. Went on quite the derendering spree before I could start browsing the actual booths with some sort of timely appearance of their contents. Actually "I" was pleased with the look of the event and happy that it wasn't just white boxes in a building with products. So at least one of us was happy. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 2 hours ago, Orwar said: Yes, because what you really want at a shopping event is a whole lot of trees and grass to clog up the rendering pipeline. I love to shop at pretty places....bring on the nature!!!!!!!!!!! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeathcliffMontague Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 3 hours ago, Extrude Ragu said: So many people seem to turn straight towards laptops when it comes to computer upgrades and I get the impression a lot of people think they want laptops but they really don't. I mean, if it's for work you're not gonna wanna lug around a heavy gaming laptop and brick every day anyway and then for Holidays most people don't travel that often and you'll want to be enjoying your holiday anyway not playing SL. 99% of the time you're gonna be using it with your neck craned down and your wrists at an awkward angle because laptops are not ergonomic in the slightest, it's going to perform worse and make a lot of noise whilst doing it whilst simultaneously costing you twice as much and being twice as likely to fail, with 1/4 of the ability to repair it when it does. Is a laptop really worth the hassle for some semblence of portability? If all you want to do is lounge on the couch why not just use a cheap tablet to remote into your desktop? I use a laptop for various reasons these days. I've done my due time on desktop rigs, been there, done that. But laptops can be ugraded too. I just think folks need an education on what a MOBO and upgradeablity is, what an iGPU is, what ventilation is and how to avoid certain pitfalls 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discussionbot Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 24 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: I love to shop at pretty places....bring on the nature!!!!!!!!!!! I agree, I quite like it when they make an effort to do something more interesting. It’s not too taxing on friends only mode anyway I don’t think. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 2 minutes ago, discussionbot said: 28 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: I love to shop at pretty places....bring on the nature!!!!!!!!!!! I agree, I quite like it when they make an effort to do something more interesting. It’s not too taxing on friends only mode anyway I don’t think. Yes, some of those events are designed really well! After not shopping much in SL for so many years I was impressed to see what people were doing with full-sim builds like these. Efficiency is important, but not if it eliminates too much of the beauty. Not easy to find the balance sometimes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmeliaJ08 Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 I use a laptop primarily since I'm not good at managing multiple machines and making sure I have everything I need... It has a dGPU etc and can certainly play games and SL without much issue but I plug into a Thunderbolt GPU when I'm at home, it works like a sort of dock and provides power too. Not for everyone but it works for me, my only desktop PCs are for testing things I'm repairing really. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingrid Ingersoll Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 16 hours ago, Eirynne Sieyes said: I went to the Fifty Linden Friday Birthday Party today. The ground was gray I'm not really sure why they made the ground PBR. Unless you want refections from the puddle and things in a rainy day scene, it doesn't make much sense. You can see the reflections in the spot around the campfire. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillyWH Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 Anytime I go to a shopping even I automatically derender everyone but friends . It helps a lot I liked the FLF bash build . A big thing about these events is they run for long enough but everyone wants in Right Now. And if you wait a little while it will be mostly empty. Going with EEPs Made for PBR makes a huge difference. Especially with the water. There are a bunch of free and low cost on MP and I've picked up a few as gifts in world (at stores). And some have EEP setting for both PBR and non PBR. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 4 hours ago, Ingrid Ingersoll said: I'm not really sure why they made the ground PBR. Unless you want refections from the puddle and things in a rainy day scene, it doesn't make much sense. You can see the reflections in the spot around the campfire. With PBR we can apply high-resolution textures that enable terrain realism -- before PBR the 'rock' part of terrain looked too flat. I was really impressed with the ground there, but not the water. I"m looking forward to the texture transforms coming that will allow even more blending between terrain levels: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/PBR_Terrain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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