Linden Labs on the issue of the influx of virtual land

[BjRazzz Qinan]

I would like to know what the stance of LL is on the new market created by all these crypto junk games that are trying to make them selves look good when LL did this formula many years ago and what LL is doing to attract the people who genuinely aren't grifters but are the refugees who want a good experience.  There is clearly a market. 

[Scylla Rhiadra]

1 hour ago, BjRazzz Qinan said:

what LL is doing to attract the people

lol

[Scylla Rhiadra]

1 hour ago, BjRazzz Qinan said:

I would like to know what the stance of LL is on the new market created by all these crypto junk games that are trying to make them selves look good when LL did this formula many years ago and what LL is doing to attract the people who genuinely aren't grifters but are the refugees who want a good experience.  There is clearly a market. 

Sorry. To be less facetious, it's unclear at the moment that LL is doing anything to raise its public profile and attract the attention of new residents. In fact, in recent weeks, they've shut down their blogger network, and been quiet, verging on disturbingly silent, on social media platforms.

There has been the suggestion that they are, perhaps, "retooling" or doing training seminars or something. So maybe they'll burst back into the limelight in September with an exciting new media strategy. But I am a bit sceptical. Marketing has never been LL's strong suit.

[Clem Marques]

1 hour ago, BjRazzz Qinan said:

all these crypto junk games that are trying to make them selves look good

Don't equate that crap with SL.

[Love Zhaoying]

3 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

in recent weeks, they've shut down their blogger network

I believe that I saw a post after Strawberry returned (so it was temporary) after her personal loss.

[Scylla Rhiadra]

7 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

I believe that I saw a post after Strawberry returned (so it was temporary) after her personal loss.

Strawberry does indeed seem to be back, which is good to see. The Blogger Network, however, is not.

[shireena1]

Its Linden Lab! (not labs)

[Gabriele Graves]

I don't even.

Is this somehow about NFTs that claim you own land in place that you can't use for anything except selling to another gullible idiot?

[Zalificent Corvinus]

12 minutes ago, Gabriele Graves said:

I don't even.

Is this somehow about NFTs that claim you own land in place that you can't use for anything except selling to another gullible idiot?

Yeah, another crypto-bro trying to tell us we should be converting SL into a marketplace for Fake Money Crypto-Crap Not Effing True Financial Fraud Ponzi Scheme Scam Tokens backed by Blag-Chain, because it's "The Futurenesss!"

 

Edited August 19 by Zalificent Corvinus

[animats]

Few of the NFT operations ever went live with an operating metaverse. M2 has a demo version of Somnia, which uses NFTs, but M2's technology is so costly to operate that they only turn on their world for special events. Like most crypto stuff, it's mostly about crypto stuff, not about doing anything with NFTs. Yuga Labs, the Bored Ape people, seem to be losing money and fading away, along with most of the NFT market. Decentraland continues to plug along. The most recent Decentraland NFT item sale was for US$0.16, for an item so ugly you couldn't give it away in SL. What's left of the low-end crypto market is a lottery now, with a new memecoin or two every day on Reddit. They don't even pretend that the coins are good for anything. None of this is a threat to SL.

The real competition is Roblox, which is insanely huge and not crypto oriented. Yes, half the users are still under 13, but there are 80 million daily average users. They've spent billions on R&D, and it shows. (SL could learn from their clothing system.)

[Scylla Rhiadra]

I may be wrong, but my sense was that the OP was suggesting that SL could provide an actual, substantive alternative, a good "experience" (their word) instead of an empty virtual real estate bubble.

But maybe I'm mistaken?

[Gabriele Graves]

1 minute ago, animats said:

The real competition is Roblox, which is insanely huge and not crypto oriented. Yes, half the users are still under 13, but there are 80 million daily average users. They've spent billions on R&D, and it shows. (SL could learn from their clothing system.)

They've also been banned in Turkey to protect the children from child exploitation: https://theconversation.com/roblox-was-just-banned-in-turkey-to-protect-children-whats-australia-doing-236489

[Gabriele Graves]

4 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

I may be wrong, but my sense was that the OP was suggesting that SL could provide an actual, substantive alternative, a good "experience" (their word) instead of an empty virtual real estate bubble.

But maybe I'm mistaken?

Seeing as I have no real idea what the OP was talking about, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Edited August 19 by Gabriele Graves

[Zalificent Corvinus]

4 minutes ago, animats said:

The real competition is Losing-Money-Hand-Over-Fist-Blox

Fixed that for you, CrapBlox is as irrelevant as always.

[Scylla Rhiadra]

7 minutes ago, Gabriele Graves said:

They've also been banned in Turkey to protect the children from child exploitation: https://theconversation.com/roblox-was-just-banned-in-turkey-to-protect-children-whats-australia-doing-236489

While I don't want to downplay the very real dangers of predators on Roblox, Turkey is not exactly a "liberal" country, and has a history of banning a variety of social media platforms, often for reasons having to do with things that the conservative, Islamist agenda of the Erdogan's government finds "offensive." So, I'd take that with a grain of salt.

Edited August 19 by Scylla Rhiadra

[Gabriele Graves]

1 minute ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

While I don't want to downplay the very real dangers of predators on Roblox, Turkey is not exactly a "liberal" country, and has a history of banning a variety of social media platforms, often for reasons having to do with things that the conservative, Islamist agenda of the Erdogan's government finds "offensive." So, I'd take that with a grain of salt.

I don't doubt you but equally, I wouldn't want any child of mine near the platform unless I could be very sure it wasn't true.  The article here that shows their rebbutal also notes that this isn't the first time these allegations have been levelled against them, by others:

https://gamerant.com/roblox-turkey-ban-response/

[Scylla Rhiadra]

1 minute ago, Gabriele Graves said:

I don't doubt you but equally, I wouldn't want any child of mine near the platform unless I could be very sure it wasn't true.  The article here that shows their rebbutal also notes that this isn't the first time these allegations have been levelled against them, by others:

https://gamerant.com/roblox-turkey-ban-response/

Of course. As I say, I'm not trying to understate the dangers -- although I don't know enough about it to comment very intelligently.

I'm just a bit suspicious of Turkey's motives, really, and I certainly wouldn't use their example as a justification for blocking a particular platform.

Roblox is not really a terrible good parallel with SL in any case, for lots of reasons. They may have some tech innovations we might consider, but their audience, and their business model, is entirely incompatible with LL's.

[JeromFranzic]

8 hours ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

Fixed that for you, CrapBlox is as irrelevant as always.

*Shields herself as she is thinking of going into Roblox or Minecraft next, ... needs a doc to monitor her virtual world addiction*

[Cynite00]

11 hours ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Marketing has never been LL's strong suit.

 

8 hours ago, animats said:

The real competition is Roblox, which is insanely huge and not crypto oriented. Yes, half the users are still under 13, but there are 80 million daily average users. They've spent billions on R&D, and it shows. (SL could learn from their clothing system.)

 

[Sid Nagy]

8 hours ago, animats said:

The real competition is Roblox, which is insanely huge and not crypto oriented. Yes, half the users are still under 13, but there are 80 million daily average users. They've spent billions on R&D, and it shows. (SL could learn from their clothing system.)

But they still burn money every year to cover their losses.
So there must be a flaw in their system.

[Rick Nightingale]

9 hours ago, Gabriele Graves said:

Is this somehow about NFTs that claim you own land in place that you can't use for anything except selling to another gullible idiot?

You used to be able to get that with a certain whisky; no NFT's required. I own three square feet (in three separate 'parcels' of 1sq.ft each) of Scottish Highlands somewhere. I must visit them one day!

[Solar Legion]

... The Crypto 'clones' are nothing more than scam attempts and anyone falling for them is not looking for anything even remotely like Second Life - they are looking for a quick buck.

Said 'clones' are not in any way a 'competitor' either. nor is Roblox, IMVU, VR Chat and similar (the only one that actually came even remotely close was NEOS and that ended up tethered to a POS Crypto).

So to recap:

1. There is no 'issue'
2. People pretending that there are actual 'competitors' to Second Life are vastly stretching things to suit their narratives
3. We have yet to see any actual competition

[Madi Melodious]

I once read on a "popular geek base news site with a green theme" that the only way to make money in crypto is to.

1. start an exchange
2. talk lots of people in to trusting your exchange
3. then pocket all the money and disappear into the night

Makes sense to me.

[Ksenia Elcano]

On 8/18/2024 at 6:07 PM, BjRazzz Qinan said:

I would like to know what the stance of LL is on the new market created by all these crypto junk games that are trying to make them selves look good when LL did this formula many years ago and what LL is doing to attract the people who genuinely aren't grifters but are the refugees who want a good experience. 

To attract new people, LL added PBR, EEP, and brought mentors back.