How do you report this?

[Ingrid Ingersoll]

Does one report the naked guy at this family pool or the place itself? People there? 

 

 

Edited August 18 by Quartz Mole
Redacted non-G rated image

[Scylla Rhiadra]

2 hours ago, Ingrid Ingersoll said:

Does one report the naked guy at this family pool or the place itself? People there? 

 

 

This is a G rated region?

The person, unless the parcel description invites nudity.

Edited August 18 by Quartz Mole

[Ingrid Ingersoll]

So it's moderate... but a family pool, kids welcome. 

[Fluffy Sharkfin]

1 minute ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

This is a G rated region?

The person, unless the parcel description invites nudity.

It's M rated (says so in the location bar at the top of the screenshot).

Personally I'd report the place and include the screenshot then leave LL to work out who's breaking TOS and deal with them accordingly.  They're the ones that have access to all the chat logs, etc. so they're in a much better position to judge who's at fault.

[Scylla Rhiadra]

Just now, Ingrid Ingersoll said:

So it's moderate... but a family pool, kids welcome. 

Oh. More tricky then. The kids aren't leaving, and the guy isn't getting dressed?

The kids certainly, then, but also maybe they guy. LL will sort it out.

[Simo Vodopan]

I know the location. You report the guy himself. The rules are no nudity. The place itself is fine. Its a Moderate sim.

Edited August 18 by Simo Vodopan

[Love Zhaoying]

4 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Oh. More tricky then. The kids aren't leaving, and the guy isn't getting dressed?

The kids certainly, then, but also maybe they guy. LL will sort it out.

I actually like how we've gone from "but what about the CHILDREN!?!" to, "yeah, the kids shouldn't be there if nudity is allowed and people are nude".

 

[Zalificent Corvinus]

13 minutes ago, Ingrid Ingersoll said:

So it's moderate... but a family pool, kids welcome. 

So you report the Fake Children for remaining in the vicinity of nudity, a clear violation of the current ToS.

 

[Magneto Bashly]

11 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

So you report the Fake Children for remaining in the vicinity of nudity, a clear violation of the current ToS.

 

If it is a family place, and children are welcomed, the adult is the one breaking tos not the children. He is the only one nude in that picture. Also an adult tp in to where children are butt ass naked doesn't mean children are breaking tos, the one who teleported in is.

Without knowing where the place is, and the full context however it hard to say.

He may of just of landed and is still loading.

How would I handle it,

I would wait a few moments ief he still naked, I would pull up the abuse window report it to linden lab, then I would report it to who ever owns the place, and if he is still there after all that, more then likely I would remove myself from the environment for my own safety and the fact I don't wish to be around it.

- Mags.

[Arielle Popstar]

12 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

So you report the Fake Children for remaining in the vicinity of nudity, a clear violation of the current ToS.

 

Pretty sure Governance mentioned it would depend on how long the naked male was there. There seemed to be no requirement for underage avatars having to leave if a random naked avatar were to pop in unannounced and purposely broken the rules for the parcel.

[Love Zhaoying]

50 minutes ago, Ingrid Ingersoll said:

Does one report the naked guy at this family pool or the place itself? [Or] People there? 

Yes. 

[Zalificent Corvinus]

2 minutes ago, Magneto Bashly said:

If it is a family place, and children are welcomed, the adult is the one breaking tos

No.

The "PARCEL OWNER'S RULES" might say no nudity, but they are NOT the ToS. The ToS doesn't say "Parcel Owner's rule are part of the ToS".

Filing an AR against somebody for violating a parcel owner's rules, is a fraudulent AR, and technically a potential ToS violation, if one makes a habit of it..

 

The ToS says non sexual nudity is allowed on M rated regions, so the naked guy is not automatically "reportable"

The ToS also says fake child avatars MUST NOT remain near nudity, so by remaining, they ARE "reportable".

 

5 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

purposely broken the rules for the parcel.

Enforcing parcel owner's rules is on the parcel owner, and/or their appointed junior admins if any. So, how long the guy's been there, that's on the parcel owner. That he IS there, means the fake children SHOULD leave.

 

[Magneto Bashly]

1 minute ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

No.

The "PARCEL OWNER'S RULES" might say no nudity, but they are NOT the ToS. The ToS doesn't say "Parcel Owner's rule are part of the ToS".

Filing an AR against somebody for violating a parcel owner's rules, is a fraudulent AR, and technically a potential ToS violation, if one makes a habit of it..

 

The ToS says non sexual nudity is allowed on M rated regions, so the naked guy is not automatically "reportable"

The ToS also says fake child avatars MUST NOT remain near nudity, so by remaining, they ARE "reportable".

 

Enforcing parcel owner's rules is on the parcel owner, and/or their appointed junior admins if any. So, how long the guy's been there, that's on the parcel owner. That he IS there, means the fake children SHOULD leave.

 

You couldn't be more wrong in your about the TOS, if someone decides to tp around children naked, and the place is child friendly, children avatars aren't required to leave just because they appear out of know where.

Now if I child avatar was to tp into a place where there was expected nudity in that case the child avatar would be in the wrong. I'm sorry, but your wrong.

Q: What if I am hanging out in a Moderate rated region while using a child avatar and someone shows up that is naked?

A: As long as the child presenting Resident is not engaging in adult activities and is not in an area promoting or dedicated to adult activity, then the child presenting Resident will not have action taken against them. Our investigations take context into account, and though we understand that any changes in guidelines can cause concern, please know that our team is careful and thoughtful when reviewing information. As a more direct example, if you are using a child avatar and are shopping or exploring in a Moderate region that is not promoting nudity or sexual activity, and a nude avatar shows up next to you, no action will be taken against you as long as you are not actively engaging in any behavior that sexualizes minors or your child avatar.

 

case closed!

 

Your wrong

deal with it

- Mags

[PermaRuthed]

Report Mr. Birthday Suit to sim owner.

And you might want to add a censor bar over the naughty bits for this forum.

[Theresa Tennyson]

1 minute ago, Magneto Bashly said:

You couldn't be more wrong in your about the TOS

Don't sell her short.

[gwynchisholm]

Poor Dave back there in the background, stock avatar, just wandering around, walks into that mess.

 

[Love Zhaoying]

2 minutes ago, Theresa Tennyson said:

4 minutes ago, Magneto Bashly said:

You couldn't be more wrong in your about the TOS

Don't sell her short.

Is there an Investment Fund? I want in!

[Love Zhaoying]

29 minutes ago, Magneto Bashly said:

You couldn't be more wrong in your about the TOS, if someone decides to tp around children naked, and the place is child friendly, children avatars aren't required to leave just because they appear out of know where.

Now if I child avatar was to tp into a place where there was expected nudity in that case the child avatar would be in the wrong. I'm sorry, but your wrong.

Q: What if I am hanging out in a Moderate rated region while using a child avatar and someone shows up that is naked?

A: As long as the child presenting Resident is not engaging in adult activities and is not in an area promoting or dedicated to adult activity, then the child presenting Resident will not have action taken against them. Our investigations take context into account, and though we understand that any changes in guidelines can cause concern, please know that our team is careful and thoughtful when reviewing information. As a more direct example, if you are using a child avatar and are shopping or exploring in a Moderate region that is not promoting nudity or sexual activity, and a nude avatar shows up next to you, no action will be taken against you as long as you are not actively engaging in any behavior that sexualizes minors or your child avatar.

 

case closed!

 

Your wrong

deal with it

- Mags

Your analysis fails to take the Region ("parcel") Maturity Rating into account.  The Region says "Moderate" in the screen shot, so "nudity is allowed".

"Family Friendly" by itself actually has no meaning.  For instance, there used to be "Family Friendly Nude Beaches" but that is no longer allowed.  

The parcel owner can SAY the location is "Family Friendly", but if it is "Moderate" rated than nudity is allowed per the TOS.

If the parcel is "Adult" rated then no children are allowed there, period.

Your information is sorely wrong, whether you are operating under an "old" understanding or just a misunderstanding of the TOS.

Some of us participated in what must be "100 pages" of posts about the new TOS changes regarding "Child Avatars".

In fact, @Ingrid Ingersollprobably new the answer and was wanting something to talk about, amirite Ingrid?

I think the "who was there first?" question is an interesting one, however.  It is probably irrelevant since NON-SEXUAL NUDITY IS ALLOWED on Moderate regions.

 

Edited August 18 by Love Zhaoying

[Zalificent Corvinus]

4 minutes ago, Magneto Bashly said:

You couldn't be more wrong in your about the TOS

Try quoting the ToS.

 

4 minutes ago, Magneto Bashly said:

Q: What if I am hanging out in a Moderate rated region while using a child avatar and someone shows up that is naked?

A: As long as the child presenting Resident is not engaging in adult activities and is not in an area promoting or dedicated to adult activity, then the child presenting Resident will not have action taken against them. Our investigations take context into account, and though we understand that any changes in guidelines can cause concern, please know that our team is careful and thoughtful when reviewing information. As a more direct example, if you are using a child avatar and are shopping or exploring in a Moderate region that is not promoting nudity or sexual activity, and a nude avatar shows up next to you, no action will be taken against you as long as you are not actively engaging in any behavior that sexualizes minors or your child avatar.

That isn't the ToS, that's a statement of pseudo policy from Governance. it certainly does NOT say that nudity on M rated regions, REGARDLESS of the parcel description saying "child friendly" is any kind of Reportable ToS violation.

So by filing an AR against the naked guy, YOU broke the rules, becausse you deliberately AR'd a non-ToS violation.

 

If you want to report the breaking of the parcel owner's rules to the parcel owner, that's fine, but those are NOT the ToSS, no matter how hard you "stamp your ikkle feets an scweam an scweam an scweam".

 

 

[Arielle Popstar]

17 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

Enforcing parcel owner's rules is on the parcel owner, and/or their appointed junior admins if any. So, how long the guy's been there, that's on the parcel owner. That he IS there, means the fake children SHOULD leave.

 

I have it on good authority, you, that someone trespassing not wanted by the parcel owner, can be AR'ed. You argued this long and hard in other threads about your right to do so.

[Zalificent Corvinus]

Just now, Arielle Popstar said:

I have it on good authority, you, that someone trespassing not wanted by the parcel owner, can be AR'ed. You argued this long and hard in other threads about your right to do so.

No, you have it from me that Criminal Trespasser scumbags, who IM to demand that they be UN-punt-kicked and un-banned are guilty of ToS violating harassment. As are scumbags sending IM spam demanding I take down the banlines that warn them to sod off, and the orb that ensures they do.

Their trespassing isn't their ToS violation, it's what they do AFTER being punted that violates the ToS.

If you are going to use me as an authority, try actually reading what I wrote, rather than making up your own deliberately dishonest version as is your usual style.

 

[Fluffy Sharkfin]

The official FAQ which was released by Linden Lab already clarifies that LL will make the decision on who is right and who is wrong in this situation, just AR any of them and send the screenshot.

There's absolutely no need to rehash this entire argument on the forums when it's up to LL alone to make the determination on if the TOS has been broken and by whom!

[Arielle Popstar]

3 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

No, you have it from me that Criminal Trespasser scumbags, who IM to demand that they be UN-punt-kicked and un-banned are guilty of ToS violating harassment. As are scumbags sending IM spam demanding I take down the banlines that warn them to sod off, and the orb that ensures they do.

Their trespassing isn't their ToS violation, it's what they do AFTER being punted that violates the ToS.

If you are going to use me as an authority, try actually reading what I wrote, rather than making up your own deliberately dishonest version as is your usual style.

 

You've written many things, not all of it totally understandable or easy to interpret. Any case the naked scumbag crashing a kids pool party is obviously in the wrong and would be in many Adult venues too. It's toxic iI tell ya! 

[Ingrid Ingersoll]

14 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

 The Region says "Mature" in the screen shot, so "nudity is allowed".

The region says moderate. 

[Zalificent Corvinus]

One might also want to AR the two avatars that appear to be fake children, one of which looks like it's naked from the waist down, and one of which appears to be totally naked.

Though that could simply be a bad quality screen grab.

Hmmm, is this one of those "Family Friendly Nude Pools" that's changed its description to sneak under the radar on the new ToS?