Can someone confirm Homesteads can be split into parcels and sold/rented if the land is set to group?

[Thal Zapatero]

Hello,

TLDR; title sums it up

I'm really hoping you guys can help me. I'm at least 90-95% sure this is possible. But maybe it's not possible with an homestead?

I was trying to help my girlfriend attract renters by adding ways to advertise and one way is converting to group land and setting the parcels "for sale" (even though it's really renting) so you can set it for sale and it can be seen from the map. It's typically sold cheap, $1L even, and then you pay "tier" to the actual owner of the region. It would also take some burden off her because with it being group owned I can help more. I know this is possible with a full region. I asked my ex and we used to get land like that. And she says she's never lived on mainland. 

Well first a lot of prims got returned to her (prims got distributed instead of being in one pool). It was a mess... piles of objects in her inventory that didn't want to rez back out. She got a lot of that put back out and we got her DJ board working again but when she set a parcel for sale it told her friend her monthly land fees will stay the same at $60 which is wrong. I took her friend to one of the neighboring full regions that had plots for sale and it told her the same thing, but told me I would stay at $0.00 so then I knew it was something in her account. I finally found where that's a setting for your "budget" and I had forgotten I'd actually happened to me like 8 years ago or more.

Anyway... I sent all this info to my girlfriend.  She didn't say much except it won't work. Obviously it worked to some degree or she wouldn't have been able to set the plot for sale. Also, I can see on the neighboring full regions the land that is for sale is owned by the group and the occupied parcels all say they are owned by different people. I started to try to explain but I'm afraid that's going to upset her. It's a confusing subject. I remember it confusing me way back.  So I thought... maybe I could get a few of you guys to chime in and say yes you've rented land out like this yourself, especially if it's a homestead not a full region?

Thanks

Edited August 6 by Thal Zapatero

[Qie Niangao]

3 hours ago, Thal Zapatero said:

when she set a parcel for sale it told her friend her monthly land fees will stay the same at $60 which is wrong. I took her friend to one of the neighboring full regions that had plots for sale and it told her the same thing, but told me I would stay at $0.00 so then I knew it was something in her account.

That warning about monthly land fees really only refers to Mainland purchases; that friend is evidently paying US$ 60 per month for Mainland tier. Whatever they'd owe the Estate region owner in rent is handled by whatever means the owner uses for collection (usually some sort of rental box), not paid through the Lab's land tier system.

As I think you correctly surmised, the stuff got returned to your girlfriend because the land got deeded to group without the objects being set to that group before auto-return was enabled. On group-owned land, objects really need to be set to group if auto-return is non-zero.

But the thing is, if you use the Estate land sales for rental, I don't think the land will remain deeded to group, will it? It'll be owned by whomever bought it, and hence each parcel will have its own land impact allotment, separate from each other parcel on the region. Right? 

According to the Knowledge Base, "Homesteads are approved for rental use within the Region limitations we have set" so it should be possible to use them the way you suggest, and there seem to be plenty of examples.

 

[Thal Zapatero]

3 minutes ago, Qie Niangao said:

That warning about monthly land fees really only refers to Mainland purchases; that friend is evidently paying US$ 60 per month for Mainland tier. Whatever they'd owe the Estate region owner in rent is handled by whatever means the owner uses for collection (usually some sort of rental box), not paid through the Lab's land tier system.

As I think you correctly surmised, the stuff got returned to your girlfriend because the land got deeded to group without the objects being set to that group before auto-return was enabled. On group-owned land, objects really need to be set to group if auto-return is non-zero.

But the thing is, if you use the Estate land sales for rental, I don't think the land will remain deeded to group, will it? It'll be owned by whomever bought it, and hence each parcel will have its own land impact allotment, separate from each other parcel on the region. Right? 

According to the Knowledge Base, "Homesteads are approved for rental use within the Region limitations we have set" so it should be possible to use them the way you suggest, and there seem to be plenty of examples.

 

Not exactly but kinda sort of lol. I was worried about that and had her check her monthly usage just to make sure. It's a budget setting, I'd ran into it before. I know in this example it's mainland but when you buy a parcel on private land it gives the same error message. Now... your tier itself doesn't actually go up but that's part of the message and why it freaked them out. It says "keep your monthly land use fees at $60" and she only owns a premium plus home and pays for premium plus annually. But in a way yes because private land purchases do not count towards your tier costs. So really that message shouldn't even be shown for private region purchases.  They describe it here:

 

Good knowledgebase info thanks

[Thal Zapatero]

I know I asked specifically about homesteads but can a couple of full region owners that rent out parcels confirm they do it too?

[Alwin Alcott]

what is possible on full regions is possible on homesteads, but sellling group owned land will make it individual owned .. groupsettings will not longer be in place and only estatemanagers/estate owners will have their regionwide powers... also on the sold land, but the group will loose that.
but as homesteads often are rented or not fully owned as estate it will be more complicated and certain methods  won't work.

note; rentals on homesteads aren't always working that well, the resources on those regions are limited, in Li and scripts.. to many users will have a bad influence on performance.

Edited August 6 by Alwin Alcott

[Thal Zapatero]

9 hours ago, Qie Niangao said:

But the thing is, if you use the Estate land sales for rental, I don't think the land will remain deeded to group, will it? It'll be owned by whomever bought it, and hence each parcel will have its own land impact allotment, separate from each other parcel on the region. Right? 

 

8 hours ago, Alwin Alcott said:

what is possible on full regions is possible on homesteads, but sellling group owned land will make it individual owned .. groupsettings will not longer be in place and only estatemanagers/estate owners will have their regionwide powers... also on the sold land, but the group will loose that.
but as homesteads often are rented or not fully owned as estate it will be more complicated and certain methods  won't work.

note; rentals on homesteads aren't always working that well, the resources on those regions are limited, in Li and scripts.. to many users will have a bad influence on performance.

I think when it's purchased it stays in the same group but the one that buys it has the option to change it. When I found the Homesteads with rented/sold plots some of those had the group changed. But the full regions around her homesteads all have the same group as the non rented ones. And like I said, the actual owner displayed changes from the group to the individual.

 

And yeah we know homesteads are have less resources. She's just looking to get a few people to help with the cost not be a land baron you know. If it becomes popular she can always upgrade them. 

[Alwin Alcott]

3 minutes ago, Thal Zapatero said:

 

I think when it's purchased it stays in the same group but the one that buys it has the option to change it

it changes to the new owner, OR if the new owner buys for group, to the group he has as active( can be ány group)
The owning group will loose it, unless the buyer is member of it and buys for it ..very unlikely

Edited August 6 by Alwin Alcott

[Thal Zapatero]

27 minutes ago, Alwin Alcott said:

it changes to the new owner, OR if the new owner buys for group, to the group he has as active( can be ány group)
The owning group will loose it, unless the buyer is member of it and buys for it ..very unlikely

Well I'd already said ownership changes from group to the new person. As far as the group... there's some reason why the groups for the lands around hesr are all the same as the the plots set for sale/rent. I don't know if they were offered incentives to keep the group or if the the group (not the owner which can also be a group) stays the same.

As interesting as the subject is and it would be good to know, I'm really trying to keep this topic tied to people that have set their private region to group and sold/rented them out. Knowing people have done that is so much more reassuring than reading a web page that sounds like it should work. What happens to the group setting after really don't affect that. But it's good to keep in mind the group can be changed by the tenant. I might need to pursue that later. 

 

Thanks : )

[Rowan Amore]

I've rented on full estates and homesteads.  The only time I did rent on a homestead, it was divided quarterly which gave me a nice size parcel without the huge cost of that same size on a full estate.  I'd probably do that again if I were to rent privately again.