Spying on groups?

[Selena Hirons]

Hi, I have an odd question. I have a land group that is both hidden in my profile and hidden on search, and yet it seems a stranger was able to access the members list.  I am wondering if there is some illegal spy tool being used. I tested it with an alt and it was invisible.   Perhaps I'm  missing something here, but I feel like I am being "illegally" stalked.

[Persephone Emerald]

Did you hide your members list in your group, or did you just hide the group?  When I had a neighbor with a land group on mainland, I would look at their group profile. I might even be able to join it, so I can fly through without worrying about ban lines. I'm nosy, so I could see if they had enough tier for their land or not. The members list wouldn't mean anything to me, but I imagine someone could see that & mine information from it if they wanted to do so.

[discussionbot]

21 minutes ago, Selena Hirons said:

I am wondering if there is some illegal spy tool being used

No.

It’s likely you may not have set adequate permissions settings in the group to make the member list invisible to non-members, double check and fix that. 

[Selena Hirons]

Can you tell me where to check that please?

[Rowan Amore]

I believe it's in the Roles tab of the group.   Select a role and whether to show or not show using the check box.

[Selena Hirons]

Ok I found that but reveal members was unchecked so that is not the issue.

 

[Selena Hirons]

Thank you for the replies, I still don't understand what's happening, but I appreciate your taking the time.

 

Edited August 2 by Selena Hirons

[Qie Niangao]

1 hour ago, Selena Hirons said:

Ok I found that but reveal members was unchecked so that is not the issue.

That setting is specific to each role, so for example members in the Owner role are (always?) revealed. And there's an Ability that can be assigned to some roles that allow members in that role to "Change Role names, titles, descriptions, and whether Role members are publicly revealed" so some member in a role with that ability could expose every member in every role, perhaps temporarily.

Not knowing anything about this group or its members, I can only speculate that one place to look for leaks might be among current or past group members.

[Lucia Nightfire]

There are illegal TPVs that can show your hidden groups in your profile.

There are illegal TPVs that can also see what visible and hidden groups you belong to on aditi while the viewer is connected to agni.

I've had someone show me this before.

[Selena Hirons]

@ Lucia    I have a feeling that is what is going on, it was a very tiny group and half of them were my alts..   What's agni?

 

[SpiritSparrow Skydancer]

Is it possible they opened up group chat and got a list of people that way?

 

[Persephone Emerald]

11 hours ago, Selena Hirons said:

@ Lucia    I have a feeling that is what is going on, it was a very tiny group and half of them were my alts..   What's agni?

Agni is the beta grid or testing grid. It's a small part of SL that is normally inaccessible to users. It used to be easier to get into it, but lately one needs to put in a support ticket to get access to it.

[Lita Jannings]

21 hours ago, Lucia Nightfire said:

There are illegal TPVs that can show your hidden groups in your profile.

There are illegal TPVs that can also see what visible and hidden groups you belong to on aditi while the viewer is connected to agni.

I've had someone show me this before.

Those illegal viewers can do alot more. Like joining your group, or ejection members, changing roles. even removing group owner rights. The later happen to me 10 plus years ago as I was a group owner but the other owner wanted me gone. so my owner rights were removed and I was then ejected from the group.

[Selena Hirons]

I guess there is no defence for that kind of stuff...

[Lucia Nightfire]

12 hours ago, Persephone Emerald said:

Agni is the beta grid or testing grid. It's a small part of SL that is normally inaccessible to users. It used to be easier to get into it, but lately one needs to put in a support ticket to get access to it.

Agni is the main grid. Aditi is the beta/testing grid.

[Lucia Nightfire]

3 hours ago, Lita Jannings said:

Those illegal viewers can do alot more. Like joining your group, or ejection members, changing roles. even removing group owner rights. The later happen to me 10 plus years ago as I was a group owner but the other owner wanted me gone. so my owner rights were removed and I was then ejected from the group.

Illegal TPVs cannot exceed group role abilities and allow a group owner to eject/downgrade another group owner.

A Linden can, though.

There was a time when certain non-Linden support staff could as well, like the Scout accounts.

Someone may have convinced support that they were the original group owner or that you were inactive or whatever plausible, but incorrect reason and support believed it without following protocol.

Never underestimate the power of interns, whether Linden or other.

I've seen some major mess ups.

[Lita Jannings]

20 minutes ago, Lucia Nightfire said:

Illegal TPVs cannot exceed group role abilities and allow a group owner to eject/downgrade another group owner.

A Linden can, though.

There was a time when certain non-Linden support staff could as well, like the Scout accounts.

Someone may have convinced support that they were the original group owner or that you were inactive or whatever plausible, but incorrect reason and support believed it without following protocol.

Never underestimate the power of interns, whether Linden or other.

I've seen some major mess ups.

This happened in 2012 so been some time ago. The thing about it was I was a group owner and when you make someone a group owner no one else can remove you from the owner role, but it happened to me. I didnt leave the group. Needless to say it was something that went wrong between me and the other group owner and he found a way to take away my owner rights.

[Kalegthepsionicist]

On 8/4/2024 at 8:42 AM, Lucia Nightfire said:

Illegal TPVs cannot exceed group role abilities and allow a group owner to eject/downgrade another group owner.

A Linden can, though.

There was a time when certain non-Linden support staff could as well, like the Scout accounts.

Someone may have convinced support that they were the original group owner or that you were inactive or whatever plausible, but incorrect reason and support believed it without following protocol.

Never underestimate the power of interns, whether Linden or other.

I've seen some major mess ups.

thats scarry, so

is there guarante that the Linden employre itself as  person will not play SL as well and posibly create drama .