Question re: Linden Home

[RuRu Macbain]

I've been looking all over trying to find an explanation of the difference between 'set' land to group and 'deed' land to group for a Linden home and just can't find it anywhere.

If my partner and I are both owners in a group, are the only members of the group, and my Linden home is 'set' to group, will we have to pay at the end of the month?

I ran into an issue with this a year or so back and I can't remember how it transpired but I wound up being faced with extra payment for a Linden home that was not over my land size / prim allotment for my account.  It all had to do with having the land in a group and I can't remember the particulars of the situation.

My reason for asking all of this is because if I cannot set the land to group without being charged extra, it leaves a person no alternative than to leave rez open for the other person using this home. This endangers the other parcels by leaving the land open to grief.

I am also confused about the covenant as it says in one spot land cannot be set to a group then in another spot says that it can. 

Also in the covenant, it says this. 

As a Premium Account holder, you are eligible for live chat and ticket support from our Support Portal. If you need support for your Linden Home:

    1. Go to https://support.secondlife.com/ and submit a ticket.
    2. Select the Land and Region ticket type.
    3. Under the resulting dropdown, select Linden Homes.

I tried to submit a ticket, but this selection (2) was not available to me. 

The whole thing has left me confused.   Am I not allowed to share my home with another person without having to pay more?   If my partner has their own Linden home, will being owner in the group that I set my linden home add to their land use fees?

Please advise;

Kindest Regards

Ruru
 

[Nika Talaj]

17 minutes ago, RuRu Macbain said:

If my partner and I are both owners in a group, are the only members of the group, and my Linden home is 'set' to group, will we have to pay at the end of the month?

I ran into an issue with this a year or so back and I can't remember how it transpired but I wound up being faced with extra payment for a Linden home that was not over my land size / prim allotment for my account.  It all had to do with having the land in a group and I can't remember the particulars of the situation.

Not usually, no.

Linden Home parcels must be owned by a single avatar; they cannot be owned by or deeded to a group.  However, they CAN be set  to a group on the "general" tab in the About Land dialog.  This entitles any member of that group to rez items on the parcel; it has nothing to do with ownership or tier.

To own a Linden Home, an avatar must be premium or premium plus, which gets them 1024 (or 2048) m2 of tier, which can be used to claim a Linden Home.  HOWEVER.  If that avatar uses up any of that tier on other land holdings, for example if they belong to a group where every member automatically donates tier for a mainland parcel, then they probably will not have enough tier to cover everything, and will be charged.  Even if they only are short on tier for a small portion of the month.  Could this be what happened before?

As to your support question, I don't have time now to take a look, sorry.

[Henry Blackwood]

3 hours ago, RuRu Macbain said:

As a Premium Account holder, you are eligible for live chat and ticket support from our Support Portal. If you need support for your Linden Home:

    1. Go to https://support.secondlife.com/ and submit a ticket.
    2. Select the Land and Region ticket type.
    3. Under the resulting dropdown, select Linden Homes.

I tried to submit a ticket, but this selection (2) was not available to me. 

You have to sign in to your account on the tickets page. It really isn’t obvious when you go to it that you’re not signed in. There is a button at the top is called ‘my tickets’, clicking on that will take you to the sign in page and once signed in you’ll see your account name at the top and the extra categories become available in the drop down boxes.

Edited July 26 by Henry Blackwood
Checked the page to ensure accuracy

[Theresa Tennyson]

6 hours ago, RuRu Macbain said:

I've been looking all over trying to find an explanation of the difference between 'set' land to group and 'deed' land to group for a Linden home and just can't find it anywhere.

If my partner and I are both owners in a group, are the only members of the group, and my Linden home is 'set' to group, will we have to pay at the end of the month?

I ran into an issue with this a year or so back and I can't remember how it transpired but I wound up being faced with extra payment for a Linden home that was not over my land size / prim allotment for my account.  It all had to do with having the land in a group and I can't remember the particulars of the situation.

My reason for asking all of this is because if I cannot set the land to group without being charged extra, it leaves a person no alternative than to leave rez open for the other person using this home. This endangers the other parcels by leaving the land open to grief.

I am also confused about the covenant as it says in one spot land cannot be set to a group then in another spot says that it can. 

Also in the covenant, it says this. 

As a Premium Account holder, you are eligible for live chat and ticket support from our Support Portal. If you need support for your Linden Home:

    1. Go to https://support.secondlife.com/ and submit a ticket.
    2. Select the Land and Region ticket type.
    3. Under the resulting dropdown, select Linden Homes.

I tried to submit a ticket, but this selection (2) was not available to me. 

The whole thing has left me confused.   Am I not allowed to share my home with another person without having to pay more?   If my partner has their own Linden home, will being owner in the group that I set my linden home add to their land use fees?

Please advise;

Kindest Regards

Ruru
 

There should be no problem with setting the land to a group. That's what you need to allow your partner to rezz items. It should have no effect on your tier payment. I don't know why your account was charged extra before, but if you have group-owned land you're charged for the amount of tier donated to that group rather than just the amount of land you/the group owns.. Make sure you're not donating more tier than the amount of land you have.

"Deeding" to a group means that the group itself is the owner of something/some place instead of an individual account. I'm 99% sure that it's not possible to deed a Linden Home lot to a group.

When it says you can't set the "Linden Home" to a group, it's referring to the building itself and not the land it's sitting on. Due to how Linden Homes are set up, the house itself isn't really "yours" like an ordinary object would be. It also doesn't count against the land impact of your lot.

[Blush Bravin]

Set to group is used to control permissions of the land. It allows people within that group to use the land as permitted by the group roles description in the group. Deed to group controls ownership of the land. No Linden Home may be owned by a group, it can and oftentimes is the best avenue for allowing friends to use your home for various reasons to set the land to group.

You have to be really careful in donating tier to a group because once you donate it you are charged for that tier whether or not the tier is actually used for a land purchase. So, if you mistakenly thought you needed to donate tier to your friend because you were sharing a home, you could end up paying the tier fee even if that sqm wasn't being used. And in that case you'd both end up paying tier for a home when only one of you needed to actually pay the fee.

[Teresa Firelight]

ok the KISS Explanation

In Mainland, groups can own land. This is accomplished by either purchasing the land for a group or by deeding existing land to a group. There is a catch -- the group mush have enough Tier Allowance to own the land. If it is a 1024 sqM parcel, then some combination of group members must donate 1024 sqM to the group. It does not matter to LL which group members donate how much land allowance.. the only thing that matters is that the total donated amount is enough for the land that the group owns. When land is deeded to a group, the individual group members can rez there without setting the group tag.

There is an advantage of deeding land to a group. LL gives an extra 10% Land allowance. E.g., if 1024 is donated to the group, then the group can actually have 1120 sqM of land, because of that extra 10%.

(BTW, if you own mainland and set the land to a group without deeding that land so that the group owns it, then all group members will have to wear their group tag to rez there.)

In Bellisseria, groups are NOT allowed to own land, only individual premium (or premium plus) avatars can own land. The land may be set to a group. If it is, then any group member can rez there by simply wearing the group tag. If the group member isnt wearing the group tag, SL wont allow them to rez there.

Edited July 26 by Teresa Firelight