Hello Other Sim Where Are You -- The Bug Is Back

[Luna Bliss]

I thought this bug was fixed but it's back. I can't see into the other adjacent region until I fly into it. Very annoying because often I create designs to include the views from adjacent sims.

Using the updated Firestorm 7.

[Zalificent Corvinus]

1 minute ago, Luna Bliss said:

I thought this bug was fixed but it's back

Nonononononono, you said it your self, several times, there are NO problems with Bloatstorm 7, only people who lack artistic sensibilities and discernment claim there are problems and fail to see the beauty of "Ruined-By-PBR" Bloatstorm 7.

 

[Luna Bliss]

3 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

7 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

I thought this bug was fixed but it's back

Nonononononono, you said it your self, several times, there are NO problems with Bloatstorm 7, only people who lack artistic sensibilities and discernment claim there are problems and fail to see the beauty of "Ruined-By-PBR" Bloatstorm 7.

I never said there was zero problems. Perhaps increase your reading comprehension?  I dunno...

[WeFlossDaily]

1 hour ago, Luna Bliss said:

there are NO problems

I'm not having any problems.

1 hour ago, Luna Bliss said:

only people who lack artistic sensibilities and discernment claim there are problems

Everything looks good on my machine. Did you remember to whitelist the new version of Firestorm in your anti-virus software?

/me continues to deliberately crop quotes . . .

Behold:

1 hour ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

Bloatstorm 7

Okej. So That was mean of me, I apologize, Luna. I  couldn't help myself. I wanted to illustrate how some of the Super PC users treat ppl like me on the low-end when I complain that PBR sets the bar too high for my potato.

Soooo can we all get in the same boat now and sail to Firestorm Island and explain to the devs that they might have absolutely and completely botched PBR in some kind of crazy way nobody has figured out yet. If just one programmer used ChatGPT, it could explain all of the problems we've seeing with PBR. Ya, everybody is divided on PBR, but as it currently stands, the future of SL may very well depend on somebody finding a missing parenthetical bracket that compiled anyway. You know, the { <-- thingys --> }

Also, only the owner can control this boat. And it's sinking pretty fast.

Wait! What if somebody wrote some of the code in the LL viewer with ChatGPT . . . ?

Edited July 21 by WeFlossDaily
Corrected names on quotes.

[Luna Bliss]

41 minutes ago, WeFlossDaily said:

2 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

there are NO problems

I'm not having any problems.

2 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

only people who lack artistic sensibilities and discernment claim there are problems

Yes...I was referring to problems regarding the new way PBR renders...the lovely increase in light properties...no problem there., and especially not the problem some are experiencing with low fps and crashing.

This does not mean there are not problems in other areas (with the new Firestorm release), although I'm not sure these particular bugs pertain to Firestorm or PBR issues.

Another bug...when I have only 3 group messages I can't delete them...it's stuck!

[Sid Nagy]

Firestorm fixes things only for the better. Where would LL be without them.
It's not a bug. but a free extra feature. 

 

[discussionbot]

2 hours ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

only people who lack artistic sensibilities and discernment claim there are problems and fail to see the beauty of "Ruined-By-PBR" Bloatstorm 7

This is great, it think it should be included in LL’s & Bloatstorm 7’s TOS:

“Before complaining about performance please check your artistic sensibilities.”

Edited July 21 by discussionbot

[Luna Bliss]

There's too many insensitive clods in SL.  No doubt about it.

[Arielle Popstar]

5 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

I thought this bug was fixed but it's back. I can't see into the other adjacent region until I fly into it. Very annoying because often I create designs to include the views from adjacent sims.

Using the updated Firestorm 7.

Not seeing that problem. Is there an adjacent region to see or do you need to up your draw distance?

 

My view out my front door.

 

[Zalificent Corvinus]

3 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

There's too many insensitive clods in SL

 

6 hours ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

only people who lack artistic sensibilities and discernment claim there are problems and fail to see the beauty of "Ruined-By-PBR"

 

And that ladies and gentlemen of the Jury, concludes the case for the prosecution, the accused continues to claim that people who don't like PBR are lacking in artistic sensibilities and discernment, and are "insensitive clods".

 

[Theresa Tennyson]

3 hours ago, discussionbot said:

This is great, it think it should be included in LL’s & Bloatstorm 7’s TOS:

“Before complaining about performance please check your artistic sensibilities.”

Theresa Tennyson thinks about some of the "before" pictures that have been posted.

Theresa Tennyson says nothing.

[WeFlossDaily]

4 hours ago, discussionbot said:

“Before complaining about performance please check your artistic sensibilities.”

/ me spits coffee all over the wall on accident . . .

[animats]

15 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

I thought this bug was fixed but it's back. I can't see into the other adjacent region until I fly into it.

Which region? I have some tests for this.

 

[animats]

Something is intermittently failing for the DNS lookup for the servers that work through Akamai. That is, assets, login, and forums. SL region servers seem to be OK.

For those who understand DNS lookup:

Sometimes it works:

john@user-desktop:~$ dig asset-cdn.glb.agni.lindenlab.com

; <<>> DiG 9.18.18-0ubuntu0.22.04.2-Ubuntu <<>> asset-cdn.glb.agni.lindenlab.com
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 25847
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 5, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 65494
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;asset-cdn.glb.agni.lindenlab.com. IN    A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
asset-cdn.glb.agni.lindenlab.com. 1 IN    CNAME    secondlife.lindenlab.edgesuite.net.
secondlife.lindenlab.edgesuite.net. 1 IN CNAME    a948.c.akamai.net.
a948.c.akamai.net.    1    IN    CNAME    user-att-70-228-72-0.a948.c.akamai.net.
user-att-70-228-72-0.a948.c.akamai.net.    1 IN A    23.67.33.80
user-att-70-228-72-0.a948.c.akamai.net.    1 IN A    23.67.33.78

;; Query time: 0 msec
;; SERVER: 127.0.0.53#53(127.0.0.53) (UDP)
;; WHEN: Sun Jul 21 23:51:07 PDT 2024
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 204

 

And sometimes it doesn't work.

john@user-desktop:~$ dig asset-cdn.glb.agni.lindenlab.com
;; communications error to 127.0.0.53#53: timed out
;; communications error to 127.0.0.53#53: timed out
;; communications error to 127.0.0.53#53: timed out

; <<>> DiG 9.18.18-0ubuntu0.22.04.2-Ubuntu <<>> asset-cdn.glb.agni.lindenlab.com
;; global options: +cmd
;; no servers could be reached

This appears in world as content not appearing, or taking a long time to appear as the viewer retries, or as login failing to even get started. I've seen all three of those in Firestorm 7 and in Sharpview now. My own Sharpview reports:

Domain "asset-cdn.glb.agni.lindenlab.com", error: "failed to lookup address information: Temporary failure in name resolution" 0 of 3 retries left.

Sometimes the viewers can push past this by retrying. Sometimes not. Eventually viewers give up retrying and objects and textures are missing. And if something is in cache, it will show up. So where you've been recently matters.

Edited July 22 by animats
More info

[Luna Bliss]

Thanks for checking this out, @animats!

[animats]

If you see this, please report roughly where you are in the world. This may be local to specific Akamai cache servers. I'm in Northern California.

[animats]

Is this still going on? I discovered that my own problems were due to a bug in Linux's systemd DNS resolver. That's probably not what's causing problems for others.

[Luna Bliss]

2 hours ago, animats said:

Is this still going on? I discovered that my own problems were due to a bug in Linux's systemd DNS resolver. That's probably not what's causing problems for others.

It happens once in awhile....can't detect any rhyme or reason to it.  When it does the sim never rezzes in no matter how long I stand there...so some kind of connection problem between the 2 regions it seems..

[PheebyKatz]

1 hour ago, Luna Bliss said:

It happens once in awhile....can't detect any rhyme or reason to it.  When it does the sim never rezzes in no matter how long I stand there...so some kind of connection problem between the 2 regions it seems..

Do you know, or are you able to contact, anyone in the "vanished" region? Like, especially when it's in its non-visible state?

It may or may not actually be offline; someone could simply be mucking around with the region's privacy/visibility settings or something.

I think animats could probably test it and find out if he's aware of what region it is, he's pretty smart about this stuff.

Edited July 27 by PheebyKatz

[Luna Bliss]

7 hours ago, PheebyKatz said:

8 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

It happens once in awhile....can't detect any rhyme or reason to it.  When it does the sim never rezzes in no matter how long I stand there...so some kind of connection problem between the 2 regions it seems..

Do you know, or are you able to contact, anyone in the "vanished" region? Like, especially when it's in its non-visible state?

It may or may not actually be offline; someone could simply be mucking around with the region's privacy/visibility settings or something.

I think animats could probably test it and find out if he's aware of what region it is, he's pretty smart about this stuff.

A friend and myself own the two regions so nobody is messing with any settings.

This was a bug happening frequently years ago....surprised to see ti back.

Yes animats came out there to try and see what the problem is.  I'll submit a support ticket I guess if it happens too much. Not really concerned about what I see as I can easily fly into the other sim and get things right, but it's a public park so want it to be right for the visitors.

[Luna Bliss]

grrr...happens when standing in the other sim too and looking toward the adjacent one...

The visible part is just a sky box with the root on the region I"m in, so is why it's viewable, but the water area of the sky box should have loads of store content visible.

Edited July 28 by Luna Bliss

[Aethelwine]

I had a similar experience yesterday sailing through the Bellisseria waterway between the stilts. The region ahead was black on the minimap and not showing infront of me. I had no control over my vehicle presumably from the previous region crossing so I entered the region. In the past I would have said it would 100% result in a crash, this time however it didn't, Half way into the region I got control of my boat back and the region appeared. I am in the UK.

[Luna Bliss]

18 minutes ago, Aethelwine said:

I had a similar experience yesterday sailing through the Bellisseria waterway between the stilts. The region ahead was black on the minimap and not showing infront of me. I had no control over my vehicle presumably from the previous region crossing so I entered the region. In the past I would have said it would 100% result in a crash, this time however it didn't, Half way into the region I got control of my boat back and the region appeared. I am in the UK.

yeah it's weird...for awhile I thought the other sim was just going through a reset...but when it never came back I flew into it and whooosh it appeared.

One sim is on a Magnum server and the other is not...wonder if that affects it...a lack of coordination between the 2 types or something.

[Zalificent Corvinus]

10 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

One sim is on a Magnum server and the other is not...wonder if that affects it...a lack of coordination between the 2 types or something.

Magnum is one of the "RC channels", along with Bluesteel, and Le'Tigre ( and apparently Cake ).

RC Channels are where LL uses all of us as unpaid non-volunteer crash test dummies, to see if the next version of the Server code is merely ordinary broken or if it's "LL Broken".

 

Communication problems between Main Channel Regions and RC regions, or even DIFFERENT RC Regions, should be regarded as "Working As Intended".

 

Remember, there's "Broken" and then there is "LL Broken".

 

Edited July 28 by Zalificent Corvinus

[Qie Niangao]

7 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

One sim is on a Magnum server and the other is not...wonder if that affects it...a lack of coordination between the 2 types or something.

If this is on the main grid, I don't think it should matter right now because every channel seems to be running the same server version, which you can check in the release notes linked Help/About. Theoretically the same version could have different configuration parameters, but I haven't heard that was happening. BlueSteel was supposed to get the "Summer Fun" release this week but it doesn't seem to have happened on the region (Tenera) that I checked earlier.