Specifc rez only area

[CerberusBindweed1]

Hey All, 

I am not sure if this is the correct area to make this post but please let me know of the correct one if I made a mistake.

A group I am a part of has its own private land on Second Life that we have set to only allow a small handful of people to rez objects to prevent people rezzing random stuff everyone.

We are wanting to have a store set on the land with an area in the store set to be a changing room and only in the changing area can people without permission rez their purchases with an auto return item to purchases if left on that section of the store for 15minutes.

Is this possible and if so, how can this be done?

Edited July 20 by CerberusBindweed1
To have post make better sense

[Rowan Amore]

Yes, it's possible.  You'll have to subdivide an area of the store where the changing rooms are...

Joining and subdividing land - Second Life Wiki

You can then set rez rights in that parcel while keeping it off in the rest of the land.

[Xeriko Melnik]

What @Rowan Amore said... but why don't you use one of those systems/scripts that let people wear the item to unpack instead? (I'm assuming it's apparel or accessories). That way, you won't need to worry about subdividing the land, rezzing permits or autoreturn.

[Qie Niangao]

I'd suggest that the open-rez parcel, besides having that 15 minute auto-return, also be deeded to a different group. That way, rezzing is also limited to the land impact capacity of just that separate parcel and when it exhausts that capacity, it has no effect on the rest of the land.

[ETA: Since these are changing rooms, it might also be good to dice up that open-rez area into smaller parcels, one per changing room, that can be set so avatars are mutually invisible on different parcels. Just a suggestion.]

Edited July 21 by Qie Niangao

[diamond Marchant]

13 hours ago, Qie Niangao said:

Since these are changing rooms, it might also be good to dice up that open-rez area into smaller parcels, one per changing room, that can be set so avatars are mutually invisible on different parcels. Just a suggestion.

As I understand it, the only way to prevent peepers on mainland is do these 3 things... have your changing room/parcel at ground level,  uncheck "Avatars on other parcels can see and chat with avatars on this parcel", and TURN ON banlines (which defeats overhead peepers).

If you think this is silly, you are right... the banlines part makes it not usable as a public changing room unless some tricky scripting is used that bans everyone from the changing room except the person using it.

Personally, I would  never use a public changing room . I always TP to my secure home to try things on. I also don't recall ever being in a store that claimed their changing areas are secure.

[Qie Niangao]

3 hours ago, diamond Marchant said:

As I understand it, the only way to prevent peepers on mainland is do these 3 things... have your changing room/parcel at ground level,  uncheck "Avatars on other parcels can see and chat with avatars on this parcel", and TURN ON banlines (which defeats overhead peepers).

If you think this is silly, you are right... the banlines part makes it not usable as a public changing room unless some tricky scripting is used that bans everyone from the changing room except the person using it.

Personally, I would  never use a public changing room . I always TP to my secure home to try things on. I also don't recall ever being in a store that claimed their changing areas are secure.

I'd certainly never want to claim anywhere in SL is "secure" nor "private". I suppose there's some risk of giving people who use the changing rooms a false sense of privacy just by disabling viewing and chat from outside the "changing parcel" borders,  even if there's no signage to that effect. I don't have a strong intuition about that, one way or another. But FWIW, the intent was just to have some control of cam invasion by Peeping Noobs hanging around the changing areas.

I remember it's limited to 50m above ground level, so yeah, it's easily defeated from overhead. Now that I think about it, though, isn't the effect of whitelist banlines also limited to the same height?* So that would require a "security" script to explicitly blacklist ban each avatar caught flying above that level.

But also I don't know that I ever actually tried it to make 100% sure it works. In particular, I do not know that it's necessary to enable banlines for the basic functionality to work as long as the peepers don't get on the parcel, but I don't recall ever testing that.

Some ancient history: a friend once owned and ran a garden parcel full of changing rooms for landless newbies, on Dallows across from the Forums Cartel hangout in Allana. This was long before the "parcel privacy" setting existed (and newbies still needed to acquire a "flight feather" to get above some low altitude on their own steam, etc). I remember spending a long time on successive generations of door scripts that merely limited users to one per room, completely ignoring cams because there was simply nothing more than a prim wall to deter camming. (I think the main concern, really, was to keep the Anshe-aspiring escorts from inviting their johns in with them.)

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* except on private estate regions with "Block Parcel Fly Over" set.

[BilliJo Aldrin]

7 hours ago, diamond Marchant said:

As I understand it, the only way to prevent peepers on mainland is do these 3 things... have your changing room/parcel at ground level,  uncheck "Avatars on other parcels can see and chat with avatars on this parcel", and TURN ON banlines (which defeats overhead peepers).

If you think this is silly, you are right... the banlines part makes it not usable as a public changing room unless some tricky scripting is used that bans everyone from the changing room except the person using it.

Personally, I would  never use a public changing room . I always TP to my secure home to try things on. I also don't recall ever being in a store that claimed their changing areas are secure.

I guess you have never gone shopping au natural then 😂

[Sylvia Tamalyn]

6 hours ago, Qie Niangao said:

Some ancient history: a friend once owned and ran a garden parcel full of changing rooms for landless newbies, on Dallows across from the Forums Cartel hangout in Allana. This was long before the "parcel privacy" setting existed (and newbies still needed to acquire a "flight feather" to get above some low altitude on their own steam, etc). I remember spending a long time on successive generations of door scripts that merely limited users to one per room, completely ignoring cams because there was simply nothing more than a prim wall to deter camming. (I think the main concern, really, was to keep the Anshe-aspiring escorts from inviting their johns in with them.)

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* except on private estate regions with "Block Parcel Fly Over" set.

Wow, I hadn't thought about those changing rooms in years, and that just sent me on a forums archives search rabbit hole. Seeing again some old names that I also haven't seen in years made me smile, so thanks for that memory

[AmeliaJ08]

On 7/22/2024 at 1:07 PM, BilliJo Aldrin said:

I guess you have never gone shopping au natural then 😂

I once got quite frustrated during a particularly laggy weekend shopping session and not wanting to tp out of a store just said screw it and got nekkid to try the demos on. Someone actually IM'd me and told me I was disgusting and rude haha.

I wouldn't normally do this but some times needs must.

People are wild. Is there an option to automatically reject all IM's? like a super unavailable so I don't even have to see their silliness when I turn it off. I often completely derender everyone else in a store but it'd be good if you could really pretend they don't exist.

 

 

Edited July 25 by AmeliaJ08

[BilliJo Aldrin]

1 hour ago, AmeliaJ08 said:

I once got quite frustrated during a particularly laggy weekend shopping session and not wanting to tp out of a store just said screw it and got nekkid to try the demos on. Someone actually IM'd me and told me I was disgusting and rude haha.

I wouldn't normally do this but some times needs must.

People are wild. Is there an option to automatically reject all IM's? like a super unavailable so I don't even have to see their silliness when I turn it off. I often completely derender everyone else in a store but it'd be good if you could really pretend they don't exist.

 

 

I believe you can set it so that you only receive ims from people on your friends list

[Blush Bravin]

Anyone can change clothes without getting naked. It's quite simple.

[Love Zhaoying]

1 hour ago, Blush Bravin said:

Anyone can change clothes without getting naked. It's quite simple.

I wonder if there's a "changing booth" (curtains or etc.) that you can wear?

..not that it's needed..

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/CCHANTAL-Wearable-Changing-Room-Change-your-Outfit-in-Public/18966049

[Qie Niangao]

1 hour ago, Blush Bravin said:

Anyone can change clothes without getting naked. It's quite simple.

I wonder what they teach newbies at orientation these days.

I wonder that because today I was shopping for simple shiny dress shoes, tried searching Marketplace, wound up somewhere that was selling "PBR" shoes, bought the in-world demo because there wasn't one on Marketplace, and was delivered a box. Like in the old days, this box was not scripted to unpack itself either automatically on attachment nor on touch, and of course the store parcel was no-build so I had to manually pull one of the shoes from the object's contents into an Inventory folder so I could wear it. (It was garbage, of course; I found it from Marketplace.)

Now, for a newbie it can't be that obvious nor that easy to wear a box, edit it to get at its contents, and simultaneously open an Inventory window in order to drag a product from one to the other first in order to finally be able to wear it.

Makes me nostalgic for newbies wearing houses.

 

[Love Zhaoying]

9 minutes ago, Qie Niangao said:

Now, for a newbie it can't be that obvious nor that easy to wear a box, edit it to get at its contents, and simultaneously open an Inventory window in order to drag a product from one to the other first in order to finally be able to wear it.

Makes me nostalgic for newbies wearing houses.

Peeve: Too many ways to unpack things! Wear vs. Wear and touch vs. Rez vs. Rez and touch vs Rez and unpack..

[Blush Bravin]

14 minutes ago, Qie Niangao said:

I wonder what they teach newbies at orientation these days.

I wonder that because today I was shopping for simple shiny dress shoes, tried searching Marketplace, wound up somewhere that was selling "PBR" shoes, bought the in-world demo because there wasn't one on Marketplace, and was delivered a box. Like in the old days, this box was not scripted to unpack itself either automatically on attachment nor on touch, and of course the store parcel was no-build so I had to manually pull one of the shoes from the object's contents into an Inventory folder so I could wear it. (It was garbage, of course; I found it from Marketplace.)

Now, for a newbie it can't be that obvious nor that easy to wear a box, edit it to get at its contents, and simultaneously open an Inventory window in order to drag a product from one to the other first in order to finally be able to wear it.

Makes me nostalgic for newbies wearing houses.

 

Yep, I agree having an auto open on attachment is my favorite way to unpack a purchase. Though I have read in these very forums some who have been down right nasty at having boxes auto open and would rather rez a box and unpack it. *shrugs* To each their own.

But my comment was in reference to having to get nude to demo something at an event. While someone brand new to SL might not understand how to change clothes without getting naked, anyone who's been in SL for even just six months should understand the mechanics well enough to put on clothes before taking clothes off to prevent being naked. That said, even that isn't full proof as we all know the lag monster can totally trip us up even when we have the best of intentions.