TyVulpine Buccaneer Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 I was using an older version, and was regularly getting 100+ FPS, but today when I went to log on, got notice saying the viewer was out of date and I needed to update. Okay, updated and now my FPS is a mere 15-18 despite same settings. Help.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Henri Beauchamp Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 If your PC is ”too old” (5 years or more) or ”too weak” (no discrete GPU) to run the PBR renderer at decent frame rates, you can try the Cool VL Viewer: it got both the PBR renderer and the legacy ALM/forward renderer. You will be able to choose which one to use, in real time (CTRL ALT P to toggle between them), depending on the circumstances (such as standing in a place where there is PBR stuff around, or not, for example) and/or on PC processing power vs the complexity of the scene to render. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charalyne Blackwood Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 My framerate got so bad (3-8), and nothing I did would fix it (change graphics levels, turn everything in the "Advanced" tab off, standing nakie on a big flat rock in the middle of a lake at midnight when there's a full moon out), I ended up completely uninstalling FS and deleting it's existence completely off my machine, then reinstalling it. I suggest this as a positively last resort, as returning my viewer settings back the way I had them has been a time consuming nightmare. But, when I walk into a club people are still dancing instead of turning into an oil painting. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candide LeMay Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 35 minutes ago, Charalyne Blackwood said: I suggest this as a positively last resort, as returning my viewer settings back the way I had them has been a time consuming nightmare. https://wiki.firestormviewer.org/fs_backup_settings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charalyne Blackwood Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 14 minutes ago, Candide LeMay said: https://wiki.firestormviewer.org/fs_backup_settings I skipped saving my settings because I wanted to make sure one or more of them wasn't to blame. I know they aren't all back like they used to be, but so far I don't miss anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilgrey Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 one thing that helped me was whitelisting firestorm and other viewers i use for sl. https://wiki.firestormviewer.org/antivirus_whitelisting also i just switched to alchemy viewer bc it's less laggy for pbr than fs was. https://alchemyviewer.org/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filz Camino Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 (edited) On 7/12/2024 at 6:32 AM, TyVulpine Buccaneer said: I was using an older version, and was regularly getting 100+ FPS, but today when I went to log on, got notice saying the viewer was out of date and I needed to update. Okay, updated and now my FPS is a mere 15-18 despite same settings. Help.... if by "same settings" you mean the graphics slider is set to the same position, you don't actually have the same settings, you quite possibly have a bunch of new graphics features turned on that are affecting the frame rate. to turn these off - make sure "screen space reflections" and "mirrors" are un-ticked, set "reflection detail" to "static only" and set "reflection coverage" to "none" and you may hopefully see an improvement. I also had very bad frame rate just after installing the new viewer, but that seemed to be fixed by clearing the cache in Settings/Network & Files / Directories so it might be worth trying that. unfortunately, if you were using the old viewer with Advanced Lighting Model (ALM) turned off, then you are going to see a fps reduction because it is no longer possible to turn off ALM in the new viewer. Edited July 13 by filz Camino 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyVulpine Buccaneer Posted July 17 Author Share Posted July 17 On 7/13/2024 at 2:30 AM, filz Camino said: if by "same settings" you mean the graphics slider is set to the same position, you don't actually have the same settings, you quite possibly have a bunch of new graphics features turned on that are affecting the frame rate. to turn these off - make sure "screen space reflections" and "mirrors" are un-ticked, set "reflection detail" to "static only" and set "reflection coverage" to "none" and you may hopefully see an improvement. I also had very bad frame rate just after installing the new viewer, but that seemed to be fixed by clearing the cache in Settings/Network & Files / Directories so it might be worth trying that. unfortunately, if you were using the old viewer with Advanced Lighting Model (ALM) turned off, then you are going to see a fps reduction because it is no longer possible to turn off ALM in the new viewer. I stepped back to a previous version, and that helps for now (back up to 60+ FPS). Someone in the Firestorm support suggested getting a dedicated graphics card (my 1.5 year old computer has an integrated card), so will look into that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davlos Karsin Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 I was forced to install a newer version of Firestorm even though the dated version was stable and ran very well. Got fed up, installed 7.1.9 (74745) and had a horrendous experience despite having the following PC hardware: i7-3700F 32gb Crucial DDR5-5600 RTX 4080 Samsung Evo 980 It was 100% not a hardware issue but either Firestorm messed up, or the base binaries provided by Linden was hot garbage. But neither did it help that Firestorm reps or devs in the inworld Firestorm support channel swore up and down that everything was alright even though my PC was struggling at 12FPS. Went down one step to version 6.6.17 (70368) and everything was fine. Just checked Firestorm's site and it appears that they made 6.6.17 (70368) unavailable for download. I don't know why they are so determined to jam a non-functioning client down our throats. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahKB7 Koskinen Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 2 hours ago, Davlos Karsin said: Just checked Firestorm's site and it appears that they made 6.6.17 (70368) unavailable for download. It's still there and working. I just tried it. Link: https://wiki.firestormviewer.org/fs_older_downloads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyVulpine Buccaneer Posted August 2 Author Share Posted August 2 Yeah, that's the one I'm using now. Only problem I have now is that if I'm in a large crowd, SL will crash on me. That kind of worries me because September is Medieval Month in Raglan Shire, my favorite time of the year in Raglan, and the contests tend to get a lot of people together for the contests (Golden Bow, Stabby Stabby (swordfighting tournament), and Joust). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 5 hours ago, Davlos Karsin said: I was forced to install a newer version of Firestorm even though the dated version was stable and ran very well. Got fed up, installed 7.1.9 (74745) and had a horrendous experience despite having the following PC hardware: i7-3700F 32gb Crucial DDR5-5600 RTX 4080 Samsung Evo 980 It was 100% not a hardware issue but either Firestorm messed up, or the base binaries provided by Linden was hot garbage. But neither did it help that Firestorm reps or devs in the inworld Firestorm support channel swore up and down that everything was alright even though my PC was struggling at 12FPS. Went down one step to version 6.6.17 (70368) and everything was fine. Just checked Firestorm's site and it appears that they made 6.6.17 (70368) unavailable for download. I don't know why they are so determined to jam a non-functioning client down our throats. Did you follow the advice on the Firestorm website before choosing (no one was forced) to.download the PBR viewer? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davlos Karsin Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 15 hours ago, SarahKB7 Koskinen said: It's still there and working. I just tried it. Link: https://wiki.firestormviewer.org/fs_older_downloads Thanks for the link. They tried to hide this by providing this link https://wiki.firestormviewer.org/doku.php?id=downloads at the https://www.firestormviewer.org/windows/ frontend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davlos Karsin Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 13 hours ago, Rowan Amore said: Did you follow the advice on the Firestorm website before choosing (no one was forced) to.download the PBR viewer? Don't attempt to mislead people in this thread. Firestorm has laid out their plan on only supporting the previous 3 builds. It's only a matter of time before all users are forced to download their PBR viewer where the lighting is overly harsh, the performance is worse than Cyberpunk 2077 at launch and Firestorm's cheerleaders like you are in absolute denial that their own Jira is useless in addressing issues. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 20 minutes ago, Davlos Karsin said: Don't attempt to mislead people in this thread. Firestorm has laid out their plan on only supporting the previous 3 builds. It's only a matter of time before all users are forced to download their PBR viewer where the lighting is overly harsh, the performance is worse than Cyberpunk 2077 at launch and Firestorm's cheerleaders like you are in absolute denial that their own Jira is useless in addressing issues. You didn't answer my question but okie dokie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nofunawo Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 (edited) 9 hours ago, Davlos Karsin said: Thanks for the link. They tried to hide this by providing this link https://wiki.firestormviewer.org/doku.php?id=downloads at the https://www.firestormviewer.org/windows/ frontend. Yes, just a genius, with a black belt in reading, is able to find the older downloads: Edited August 3 by Nofunawo 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aishagain Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 9 hours ago, Davlos Karsin said: They tried to hide this They have done nothing of the sort. The above post shows the link clearly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmeliaJ08 Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 On 8/2/2024 at 12:22 PM, TyVulpine Buccaneer said: Yeah, that's the one I'm using now. Only problem I have now is that if I'm in a large crowd, SL will crash on me. That kind of worries me because September is Medieval Month in Raglan Shire, my favorite time of the year in Raglan, and the contests tend to get a lot of people together for the contests (Golden Bow, Stabby Stabby (swordfighting tournament), and Joust). Help > About Firestorm Can you copy/paste the output of that here? just curious. Also what do you mean by crash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyVulpine Buccaneer Posted August 4 Author Share Posted August 4 On 8/3/2024 at 7:00 AM, AmeliaJ08 said: Help > About Firestorm Can you copy/paste the output of that here? just curious. Also what do you mean by crash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmeliaJ08 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 (edited) 36 minutes ago, TyVulpine Buccaneer said: I think you'll want to take this to a thread in the General Discussion forum, "General Second Life Tech Discussion" or "Second Life Viewer" forums, that's a crash that seems like it might be fixable, that's an out of memory error I think. Never seen that specific crash though, I usually get a bugsplat message on a hard crash like that. Edited August 4 by AmeliaJ08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrie Juran Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 On 8/2/2024 at 9:53 PM, Davlos Karsin said: Don't attempt to mislead people in this thread. Firestorm has laid out their plan on only supporting the previous 3 builds. It's only a matter of time before all users are forced to download their PBR viewer........ I count twelve different viewers available in the Third Party Viewer Directory https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Third_Party_Viewer_Directory . Add in the official LL Viewer as the unlucky 13th and you have lots of choices. So who is misleading who when you claim all users will be forced to use Firestorm. No one is forced to use Firestorm including you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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