Help Looking For General Land

[Clem Marques]

6 hours ago, brodiac90 said:

How does billing for tier work? I understand if you have Premium or Premium Plus that your allowance can either be 1024 or 2048 without incurring any extra fees, but say you did get a bigger plot, is the tier maintenance charged to a credit / debit card or do you need to have the lindens in your account? 

If you are Plus, you can own 512m2 for no extra charges. With Premium, you can own 1024m2, and with Premium Plus, you can own 2048. If you go above that, the exact amount of square meters that you used, that went beyond your allowed amount of land, will be charged as a monthly land use fee. The price that they charge is not per square meter, it's a tier system. So if you go even 1m2 above your allowed amount, you will be charged the flat rate that they charge for 512m2 (4 USD). If you have money in your Tilia account, that will be used first. Once there is no money left in there, your credit card gets charged.

The prices are as follows:

If your focus is on land instead of other perks when upgrading your account, I'd recommend being Premium and paying the 1024m2 land use fee. That way your monthly payment to LL will be 11.99 + 7 = 18.99 USD instead of 29.99 USD (Premium Plus)

Also, keep this in mind:

5 hours ago, Qie Niangao said:

Oh, about bigger plots: Did anyone explain group-deeded land yet? It probably won't matter, but if you are holding land just slightly (10%) over your allotment, using a group to own the land can save paying any extra tier. Because land comes in 16m² quanta, it's not exactly 10%, but a group can use

• a 1024m² allowance to hold up to 1120m², or
• a 2048m² allowance to hold up to 2240m²

and similarly for other total allowances including paid-for tier contributions.

This is an extremely useful tip that took me a long time to figure out when I was a new land owner. Highly recommend deeding your land to a group for that sweet, sweet 10% bonus.

[Clem Marques]

10 hours ago, brodiac90 said:

What exactly does the Brown covenant entail and are there other such covenants elsewhere? 

At Brown, you can find these small pillars with information regarding the covenant and building rules for this specific region. If you touch one of them, it will give you a notecard.

    (Location: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Brown/210/130/25)

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Welcome to Brown!  Brown is a controlled building community.  A small suburban area, Brown is the perfect place to build your home if you're looking for a nice, quiet region without the stores and looming towers you might find building elsewhere.

Here are some helpful guidelines to help maintain Brown:

You can own as much land as you want, but your build in Brown MUST be a conventional residence that might be seen in a suburb.  This means that stores, dance clubs, sheep farms, and any other non-house builds are not permitted within Brown.  

Builders are no longer limited to using the Mini-House-in-a-Box. But it's available at the supply stores located around the perimeter of this region.  

**Note: the following zoning regulations will be enforced:
 * No terraforming. The land stays the way it is.
 * No buildings taller than 15 meters.  All buildings must be attached to the ground.
 * You must build within your own property lines.
 * No objects for sale, except within the stalls in the center of the region.
 * No signs permitted.
 * Noisy or flashing textures, particles, excessive and/or looping sounds, or any script that puts unnecessary strain on the region will be removed.

This region is located within a PG-Rated territory. All applicable rules, laws and community standards apply.

[Clem Marques]

10 hours ago, brodiac90 said:

watch out for regions with rental companies and sky boxes etc.

I personally don't think this is an issue, or something to worry about

10 hours ago, brodiac90 said:

Lastly, what projections do people have for General land going forwards? Is the introduction of Mobile and Apple's stance on content likely to see General land become more desirable or about the same as it currently is?

The fact that we cannot access adult land on the SL mobile app might result in an increase in demand for General and Moderate parcels once the app is fully released. The more successful the app ends up being the more likely this will be. Of course, adult venues and adult stores will remain in Adult regions regardless of any of that. But for people who plan on using mobile and just want to have a place to call home, their best bet would be to move out of Adult land. That way they can always access their home, and bring friends over regardless of whether or not they are on mobile.

As much as I love Adult land (and own a good amount of it,) I believe that Moderate land will be the future if the mobile app really takes off. I believe the prices for General land will stay mostly the same, and the prices for Moderate might get a slight increase if the vast amounts of Abandoned Land and the Linden Homes don't meet the increased demand. Will that happen? Most likely not. But it's possible, and something to consider.

Due to General being associated with stricter guidelines/rules, and Moderate's tolerance for nudity and sexual content, Moderate is always easier to sell. There is simply more demand for it, so I agree with what you said here, as a general rule: 

10 hours ago, brodiac90 said:

From the conversation I had last night, the impression I got is that General land is generally harder to sell than Moderate or Adult.

Edited July 13 by Clem Marques

[James Starling]

Thanks once again for everyone's replies and the in world messages I have recieved. It was very interesting reading about Brown and even the article on how not to buy land.

The two parcels Diablo linked at Brown and Celadon were interesting for different reasons, Brown for its zoning rules and history and Celadon for its navigable waters. I also looked at Miramare which like Bay City offers double prims, again, while cheaper than Bay City it was rather pricy.   

However, I now understand how tier works and going out and seeing the parcels that people have linked has given me a greater idea of what is avilable for the going rate so to speak. 

I have my doubts on how successful Mobile is going to be and even if it is, I suspect General parcels will remain just as hard to shift. I have to factor this into my purchasing decision since if I buy somewhere I have to realise it will most likely mean holding on to it for a long time or even taking a loss on it if I decide I want something else. 

I'm somewhat overhelmed but also grateful for all the information I have reciecved so I'm going to spend some time digesting it all and doing more research / looking at more parcels etc. In the meantime I'm tempted to just get a 1024 plot of abanonded land so I can play around with the land menu options while I'm looking at more desireable plots. 

[beethros Karas]

5 minutes ago, brodiac90 said:

I'm tempted to just get a 1024 plot of abanonded land

Here is one for you for free for 2 weeks..
You will be able to use it as I call it "full perm" with few words, same as if you was premium and pay rent to LL. ( free they call it)

Log in to the world, copy and paste this link to your local chat and click to Teleport -->
http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Olber/128/192/43

And here the post of mine as about it, in case you qish to get more details.

WELCOME TO SECOND LIFE !!!

[Diablo Lioncourt]

On 7/12/2024 at 5:19 PM, Love Zhaoying said:

Agreed, I challenge anyone that none of the "Forum Regulars" who do Rentals "stack" rentals of skyboxes. Otherwise, their ads and discussions would reflect that.

I currently live in my own skybox stack.😄

 

[Prokofy Neva]

On 7/12/2024 at 11:17 AM, brodiac90 said:

So an update. 

First just let me thank everyone for the lovely replies. I've even had someone contact me in world and explain things like protected, terrain terraform limits and to watch out for regions with rental companies and sky boxes etc. All very useful to know. 

I had a look at the plots in Bay City and Hyperion and I just don't think I can justify spending $600+ for what is essentially my first foray into land ownership, as nice as the double prims sound. 

Plots in the L$50,000 range seem more reasonable and not as big of a loss if I mess things up. Auctions and the abandoned land route are also possibilities at this point. 

Brown does seem interesting. I have some more questions on that. What is the significance of historic land? Is it merely a sentiment or are there practical differences that effect price? What exactly does the Brown covenant entail and are there other such covenants elsewhere? 

The person I was speaking to in world last night also showed me the colour regions, specifically sage which has a 40 / - 40 terraform limit which I found very interesting. 

Lastly, what projections do people have for General land going forwards? Is the introduction of Mobile and Apple's stance on content likely to see General land become more desirable or about the same as it currently is? I'm not asking to make money but more from the perspective of understanding how hard or easy it will be to sell my plot should the need ever arise if you see what I mean. From the conversation I had last night, the impression I got is that General land is generally harder to sell than Moderate or Adult. I'm sure it's much more complicated than that but as I said it's just a very general impression if you'll pardon the pun 😇

I personally mainly rent land, and don't sell land, but I have been a buyer and occasional seller over 20 years, and here is my advice:

o For God's sake, don't go on the auction. I don't go on the auction now. It is artificially manipulated by land barons who jack up the final sale price by bidding on it -- sometimes in bidding wars -- to drive up the price and keep the price high to profit from it. Very rarely, there is a bargain where the Lindens open bidding at 0.05/meter -- and nobody bites, and you get an entire sim for a song. But it is rare. You have to watch it carefully, have fast reflexes, and be prepared to snipe at the last minute. It really is not worth it, if you are new.

o Stay away from Brown, Boardman, Horizons or any other expensive historic or "the latest ne plus ultra" land. My God, you're new. You need to get the hang of land first, how it feels to run it, and you will likely change it 10 times before you're happy. Do not lock yourself into a heavy financial loss at a price that pays your entire month's groceries in RL at Costco.

o There is a HUD available on the MarketPlace which you put on, fly around, and it shows you where abandoned land is. You could of course see it with your own eyes, if you turn on "property owners" and click on and review empty looking land. The HUD helps.

o A service run by BonnieBots has a website with abandoned land. I find this has errors or out of date information and the HUD is better.

o Also look at properties for sale by end users -- not barons -- that might be $2 or $1.5 and well worth the slightly higher price of abandoned ($1/m).

Then there are lots of things you need to do before you press the button BUY -- turn off "Volume" and "Water" to see if you are buying a full, contiguous plot for sale with no hidden holdbacks known as "donut holes"; sit on the land and check the FPS on the viewer to make sure the area isn't lagged to death by perhaps a pony farm with 50 animals in the sky or something; fly around with a script radar (get the one made by XOPH on the MP for $0); don't be in a hurry. 

Check your neighbours' claim dates. Are they yesterday? All of them? Or last month? You could be sitting in the middle of a flipper's farm where he has held back some lots for sale in the endless baron race to the bottom on the land-for-sale list -- they don't wish to glut their own market. You could be sitting next to a big black box BDSM club with 42 avatars on the sim tomorrow. Stable neighbours with old claim dates are priceless.

 

[Prokofy Neva]

21 hours ago, brodiac90 said:

Thanks once again for everyone's replies and the in world messages I have recieved. It was very interesting reading about Brown and even the article on how not to buy land.

The two parcels Diablo linked at Brown and Celadon were interesting for different reasons, Brown for its zoning rules and history and Celadon for its navigable waters. I also looked at Miramare which like Bay City offers double prims, again, while cheaper than Bay City it was rather pricy.   

However, I now understand how tier works and going out and seeing the parcels that people have linked has given me a greater idea of what is avilable for the going rate so to speak. 

I have my doubts on how successful Mobile is going to be and even if it is, I suspect General parcels will remain just as hard to shift. I have to factor this into my purchasing decision since if I buy somewhere I have to realise it will most likely mean holding on to it for a long time or even taking a loss on it if I decide I want something else. 

I'm somewhat overhelmed but also grateful for all the information I have reciecved so I'm going to spend some time digesting it all and doing more research / looking at more parcels etc. In the meantime I'm tempted to just get a 1024 plot of abanonded land so I can play around with the land menu options while I'm looking at more desireable plots. 

The "zoning rules" in Brown are sadly not enforced as they once were, and rely on busybodies to AR their neighbours -- sometimes wrongfully. You cannot terraform in Brown, and while it is generally very flat, it is annoying as sometimes there are bumps.

Bay City and Miramare are Mole cults with close-knit clubs running them -- give yourself time to understand all this before you wade into the waters of these types of land prices -- which I personally feel are NOT worth it.

The old Teen Grid is SL's best kept secret, in my view. My son was on the Teen Grid; there are some great old parcels with interesting old Linden builds, ample roads and rivers, huge easements. To be sure, the man-boys playing some arcane old Star Wars type game there have littered the area with tall, glowing spires. But you can de-render these, and they aren't everywhere. There are some true waterfront bargains in that area -- I have my own workshop and home there. ALL of it is in G. To find the Teen Grid, look for some of its most famous sims like "Nailsworth" -- many are named for authors like "Tolkien" then travel from there.

Please DO follow your instinct to just get a piece of low cost land for $1/m or even less, and tinker around and be willing to LEAVE without regrets once you understand this better. I don't live today, years later,  in the dilapidated rooming house I lived in as a RL college sophomore; neither should you in SL after awhile.

Edited July 14 by Prokofy Neva

[Clem Marques]

52 minutes ago, Prokofy Neva said:

Please DO follow your instinct to just get a piece of low cost land for $1/m or even less, and tinker around and be willing to LEAVE without regrets once you understand this better.

I fully agree with this advice. Get some really cheap land first and see if you enjoy owning it. It will also help you get a sense of the amount of land you need for your project, which is very helpful. Then consider the other ones if you ever feel like getting an upgrade. Otherwise, if you start off by buying one of the expensive parcels, you might regret your purchase and get stuck with something that is hard to resell, even more so due to the G rating.

Abandoned land is a good option. Take a look at what's for sale on the map too, you might come across parcels that are even cheaper than 1 L$/m2.

[Qie Niangao]

Following up on @Prokofy Neva's comments, I agree that double-primmed Bay City and Miramare are very high priced for what they are. That's especially the case with Miramare which is really of historical interest more than anything else, with infrastructure content created by Lindens* long before Moles were a thing. Both Miramare and Bay City are double-primmed, but the reason I mentioned the western half of Bay City is that it's all G-rated, which I think a child avatar might find reassuring.

Similarly, the old Teen Grid that both Prokofy and I mentioned is all G-rated. I may have done a disservice by suggesting to "start at Hyperion and head southeast" because Hyperion itself is another double-primmed region (actually a copy of Barcola, Miramare's neighbor) and hence very high priced. As Prokofy says, much of the rest of the old Teen Grid is more reasonably priced.

One place where Prokofy and I have long disagreed is the utility of the Auctions for normal landowners. First, it's completely correct that the final, closing price of many parcels is determined by last-minute bot bidding, usually by land flippers who care enough about squeaking out a tiny advantage to actually bother with such shenanigans. These "auctions" are just nothing like an estate or art auction at Christie's or Sotheby's. But it's still possible to get a bargain at the Auctions if you bid what you think a parcel is worth to you and just ignore everything that happens until the auction closes: if you win, you got it at that price or less if nobody's bid approaches yours; otherwise somebody else got it for more than it was worth to you and that's a good outcome too. But trying to treat these auctions as an exercise in competitive bidding will surely lead to disappointment: they just don't work that way.

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*At the moment I have a special attachment to Miramare in particular but I'm also eager for a Mole to make that all moot someday.

[Clem Marques]

6 minutes ago, Qie Niangao said:

But it's still possible to get a bargain at the Auctions if you bid what you think a parcel is worth to you and just ignore everything that happens until the auction closes: if you win, you got it at that price or less if nobody's bid approaches yours; otherwise somebody else got it for more than it was worth to you and that's a good outcome too. But trying to treat these auctions as an exercise in competitive bidding will surely lead to disappointment: they just don't work that way.

  Agreed, 100%

Edited July 14 by Clem Marques

[Diablo Lioncourt]

Auctions are all over the place.They can be a steal or a collosal ripoff. It depends what you're bidding on and who else wants it.

You may have to set your alarm for 2 minutes before the auction ends to have enough time to log in and place that last second bid:))

The "G" parcels I chose are lands that could be split up and sold for considerably more than the current asking price if the project or area didn't work out. Solid investments. Only chosen based on financial criteria.

This isn't typical of g-rated land. Most you'd lose money on buying it at the asking price, or at 1L a m2.

Land in the old teen grid has always struggled to sell or rent, but people who like quiet and seclusion will love that area if they can handle the content rating... If it was moderate it would do well. Adult it would be worth a fortune.

I don't have G rentals because tenants want a sex bed already there or they're going to immediately put one out...

 

[InnerCity Elf]

On 7/13/2024 at 7:52 PM, brodiac90 said:

Thanks once again for everyone's replies and the in world messages I have recieved. It was very interesting reading about Brown and even the article on how not to buy land.

The two parcels Diablo linked at Brown and Celadon were interesting for different reasons, Brown for its zoning rules and history and Celadon for its navigable waters. I also looked at Miramare which like Bay City offers double prims, again, while cheaper than Bay City it was rather pricy.   

However, I now understand how tier works and going out and seeing the parcels that people have linked has given me a greater idea of what is avilable for the going rate so to speak. 

I have my doubts on how successful Mobile is going to be and even if it is, I suspect General parcels will remain just as hard to shift. I have to factor this into my purchasing decision since if I buy somewhere I have to realise it will most likely mean holding on to it for a long time or even taking a loss on it if I decide I want something else. 

I'm somewhat overhelmed but also grateful for all the information I have reciecved so I'm going to spend some time digesting it all and doing more research / looking at more parcels etc. In the meantime I'm tempted to just get a 1024 plot of abanonded land so I can play around with the land menu options while I'm looking at more desireable plots. 

Yes, take your time (s)hopping around. I've bought Mainland several times 😅, and the prices for what really looks like pretty much the same, can vary a lot, and if you spend some time and enjoy "the hunt", you have a chance of stumbling over a better price, cooler sim name, better geography (I love sim corners, but they tend to be pricey), nicer neighbourhood (potentially fleeting factor, of course).

[Prokofy Neva]

On 7/14/2024 at 1:25 PM, Diablo Lioncourt said:

Auctions are all over the place.They can be a steal or a collosal ripoff. It depends what you're bidding on and who else wants it.

You may have to set your alarm for 2 minutes before the auction ends to have enough time to log in and place that last second bid:))

The "G" parcels I chose are lands that could be split up and sold for considerably more than the current asking price if the project or area didn't work out. Solid investments. Only chosen based on financial criteria.

This isn't typical of g-rated land. Most you'd lose money on buying it at the asking price, or at 1L a m2.

Land in the old teen grid has always struggled to sell or rent, but people who like quiet and seclusion will love that area if they can handle the content rating... If it was moderate it would do well. Adult it would be worth a fortune.

I don't have G rentals because tenants want a sex bed already there or they're going to immediately put one out...

 

This is a subjective opinion and a lot of it simply isn't true. This is a thread about helping newbies with land, not cynical land cutters.

No one should have to stress out especially when they are new and set their alarm and refresh their browser and jump through hoops to get virtual land that is available for a ticket to the Lindens for $1/m in many other cases. They shouldn't have to watch helplessly as it is bid up past $1/m because a handful of land barons need to keep prices high to make a profit themselves. This isn't capitalism; this is oligarchy made possible by communism (the platform provider's control of all land disposal and sale, with everything else essentially being a secondary market).

Erm, parcels "split up"? To what size? 16m2 at $1000/meter with an ugly spinning sign or build to help someone "buy back the view"? Not a business plan, but a crime.

Land in the teen grid doesn't "struggle" to sell. I see it go for healthy prices all the time. As in Zindra, as elsewhere on the grid, It can sit there because there are monopolists holding it hostage and not lowering its price (they don't need to; they have a trading tier). Also, it can sit there because man-boys put ugly glowing spires around the sim and people don't want to keep de-rendering them or have friends de-render them as they enter the sim.

The Teen Grid has way more easements and strange Linden Land cuts than the rest of the grid for reasons opaque to me but that's a good thing, less for your cut-throat land cutter new neighbour to despoil.

The Teen Grid has a lot of hills and dales and many old roads, possibly in the belief that teenage kids like to run road races up and down the highway like in "Rebel Without a Cause." But people like driving and the spam cars haven't invaded there as they have elsewhere.

The Lindens deleted some of the old Teen Grid sims (the combat-rated ones), and they didn't want to break with their precedent to change the ratings of sims on their own, or they'd face an epidemic of tickets making this request and face divisions among multiple owners on one sim in this regard.

The reality is that the Lindens no longer have the time to police the sky in G and if you put up a skybox, you are left alone unless your busy-body "Gladys from Bewitched" neighbour ARs you. 

Many landlords like myself have mixed empty and furnished rentals or partly furnished rentals to suit people's different styes. There is a market for G; I'm in it. It's niche, then you dump it if it doesn't rent.

G is perfect for starter land for someone trying to get used to land and how it works.

 

Edited July 20 by Prokofy Neva

[Diablo Lioncourt]

6 hours ago, Prokofy Neva said:

This is a thread about helping newbies with land, not cynical land cutters.

Just curious, what did you do with your first mainland parcel? I ended up selling mine for 15k. To a landlord.

6 hours ago, Prokofy Neva said:

Erm, parcels "split up"? To what size? 16m2 at $1000/meter with an ugly spinning sign or build to help someone "buy back the view"? Not a business plan, but a crime.

I usually cut to 512 to 2048 in size, sometimes 4096 or 8192 for the big sailing parcels. At least 50% of the parcels I sell become rentals or are resold.

6 hours ago, Prokofy Neva said:

G is perfect for starter land for someone trying to get used to land and how it works.

I don't think buying or renting land to later be told you can't have a bed there is a particularly warm welcome.

I personally think Islandia has a lot of good starter land. Its secluded, its the least laggy part of the old world for many, things tend toward nice squares and rectangles, and it has a lot of parcels that can be both flat land or shallow water, as well as flat mountaintops with views of oceans and mountains. Land fluctuates in value widely, which favors long-term developers. And it's all moderate.

Edited July 20 by Diablo Lioncourt

[Prokofy Neva]

3 hours ago, Diablo Lioncourt said:

Just curious, what did you do with your first mainland parcel? I ended up selling mine for 15k. To a landlord.

I usually cut to 512 to 2048 in size, sometimes 4096 or 8192 for the big sailing parcels. At least 50% of the parcels I sell become rentals or are resold.

I don't think buying or renting land to later be told you can't have a bed there is a particularly warm welcome.

I personally think Islandia has a lot of good starter land. Its secluded, its the least laggy part of the old world for many, things tend toward nice squares and rectangles, and it has a lot of parcels that can be both flat land or shallow water, as well as flat mountaintops with views of oceans and mountains. Land fluctuates in value widely, which favors long-term developers. And it's all moderate.

I still have my very first First Land parcel in Refugio on a steep slope of cliff -- which is still waterfront! 

And that's the difference between me and you, Devil.

I was bullied and griefed by a looner oldbie whose business selling overpriced television sets tanked when the Lindens created "media-on-a-prim" available for $0 to anyone. This oldbie doxxed me and threatened RL exposure and constantly bombarded me with particle storms and other griefing nonsense because...I wouldn't sell my First Land. Others on the sim were successfully bullied out of their land so he could have larger holdings. Some First Land he covered up with boards so that it was not visibly for sale -- we didn't have the robust Map we do showing properties of land. Ah, those were the days.

But I clung to my rock like a limpet and started a small rentals business.

In those days I started a program where if a newbie wanted to get rid of their First Land I would take it off their hands. It was often not worth $15K or $5k or even $5L because it was in the middle of a giant postage stamp sheet of 512s divided often in a flat, ugly sim of 65536, filled up with spinning junk and phallic projections and laggy sionchickens. These were astoundingly horrific areas that made the Star Wars Bar and Idiocracy and Futurama landscapes look like bastions of eloquence and good taste.

There was no abandoned land program of $1/m then -- First Land for $1/m for newbies *was* the "abandoned land program" that the Lindens pursued with sims that were less lucrative and would not fetch a good price on their auction -- which was structured differently then and was the manner in which they rolled out entire new regions and sold them -- something they stopped doing more than 15 years ago.

These streches of dog food I acquired did me no good -- if I waited I might sell one for a small price to someone finally consolidating the ridiculous postage stamp sheet of 512s into a larger holding. Sometimes I could rent them out again, but most of the time -- 90% of the time I would say -- they were worthless.

And yet I was harassed and vilified and mocked by oldbies in the old colour sims on the forums for having a program that enabled people to get rid of worthless land, and then rent my good and well-maintained land elsewhere. Eventually I started a tier donation program which I still have today, more's the pity -- another essentially charitable operation for which I was condemned as a greedy and exploitative land baron -- by people who in fact were these creatures on their alts, or who banded together to defend such creatures in some obscure class and culture war -- you know, like they still do today on the forums.

One of those people from whom I bought their steep seaview First Land 512 parcel in Portage was Desmond Shang, newbie from There.com  I then rented to him a nicer seaview parcel in Columbia by the Magellan crash where I saw him struggle at first with the inworld build tools and then produce an amazing spiral stair which I've still kept in some of my old builds (Not everyone knows Desmond Shang made and sold wonderful Victorian style furniture and houses from prims in the early days).

The vision of that spiral staircase on what was a modest no-sail beach in the Lindens' Heterocera land where they wouldn't put teleport functions in at first (in some misplaced bid to be "aesthetic") -- that has always stayed with me and inspired me with awe. It's like the fawn's umbrella that C.S. Lewis first saw in his mind's eye before he wrote all the Narnia tales.

Eventually Desmond moved on from my little rentals -- and the rest is history with Caledonia. My program for which I was treated like some rapacious, grasping Mr. MoneyBags from the Monopoly Game helped a skilled 3d builder and computr programmer with a large RL computer-relate business get his start in SL when he was still doubtful it had anything in it for him and might have given it a pass after his first skirmish in the welcome area with the fence-sitters. Because, yes, many newbies aren't poor Appalachian share-croppers like JD Vance *cough*. You know?

And that's the difference between me and you.

I eventually had to sell the land in Portage for less than its value because of ban lines and ugly builds and the astoundingly annoying problem of not being able to fly to my own land before the Lindens invented smoother void sims -- something for which I was also endlessly mocked on the forums.

I don't tell people they can't have a bed in G. I inform them that G has such-and-such meaning in SL; they're on their own. If they have enemies who want to find ways to AR them, they may find them skybox and its contents flying back into their lost and found.

I think any scheme that creates entire regions with flat 512 squares or even more hilly and picturesque 512 squares is doomed to failure.

 

Edited July 20 by Prokofy Neva

[Diablo Lioncourt]

1 hour ago, Prokofy Neva said:

I still have my very first First Land parcel in Refugio on a steep slope of cliff -- which is still waterfront! 

And that's the difference between me and you, Devil.

 

If my first land had stayed in the project I donated it to and what we built together was still there I'd have continued to enjoy it to this day.

We didn't have a patchwork of ugly because we had a region commune. The tax man killed it after 15 years.

I didn't want to live there after that. It's now part of a themed rental community that spans several sims.

The value to me of that land was long gone when I accepted 15k for it. What I had there originally wasn't something you could put a tangible value on.

[Shyla Starflare]

Hi Prokofy. 

What do you mean about "set their alarm and refresh their browser " ?

Chrome or firefox - either one works for me.

Seems like a good tool if I can get it.

Or anyone else reading this.. pls advise me?  Thanks!

[Prokofy Neva]

32 minutes ago, Diablo Lioncourt said:

If my first land had stayed in the project I donated it to and what we built together was still there I'd have continued to enjoy it to this day.

We didn't have a patchwork of ugly because we had a region commune. The tax man killed it after 15 years.

I didn't want to live there after that. It's now part of a themed rental community that spans several sims.

The value to me of that land was long gone when I accepted 15k for it. What I had there originally wasn't something you could put a tangible value on.

Communal land experiments always end in tears in an autocracy.

Land in Second Life is like a boat in Real Life about which it is said:

"it is a hole in the water into which you pour money."

Virtual land is a hole in the Internet to which you pour money.

People who want to cos-play as landlords can be understood -- everyone either a) plays war b) plays store or c) plays house in a virtual world.

 

[discussionbot]

On 7/14/2024 at 6:25 PM, Diablo Lioncourt said:

You may have to set your alarm for 2 minutes before the auction ends to have enough time to log in and place that last second bid:))

 

Sets alarm

Oh god

[Clem Marques]

32 minutes ago, discussionbot said:

On 7/14/2024 at 7:25 PM, Diablo Lioncourt said:

You may have to set your alarm for 2 minutes before the auction ends to have enough time to log in and place that last second bid:))

 

Sets alarm

Oh god

Too real 🤣

Sometimes the bids get so senselessly high that it makes me wonder if that person and I are even looking at the same parcel.