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Hello there, 

Let me just start by saying that the only land I've ever 'owned' is a Linden Home so I'm very new to this so any and all help would be very much appreciated. 

My main requirement is that the land has to be General. I'm thinking of getting perhaps a 1024 or 2048 size plot of land which would be covered by either Premium or Premium Plus tier. 

I've heard abadoned land is quite a good deal if you can find a good plot but I've no idea how to go about finding one although the ticket process seems fairly simple once you do. I don't wish to limit myself to abandoned land though if it is fairly easy to buy land on General sims. 

What should I be considering? How do I go about getting one of the more desireable plots of land? Are there things to avoid? Basically I don't know what I don't know lol.  

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3 minutes ago, brodiac90 said:

How do I go about getting one of the more desireable plots of land?

I found my piece of a great seafront on Auctions, so definitely keep an eye on those. Other than that, just panning around on the World Map around your favourite places looking at land for sale/abandoned land is also a good way. But prices might be ridiculous around the more desirable areas of course, so if you don't mind waiting, Auctions can be great. 

 

6 minutes ago, brodiac90 said:

Are there things to avoid?

Bad neighbours, awful decor, predatory micro parcels, etc. so definitely have a good look around at the spot in world before ever buying and making sure you're not surrounded by the absolute crazies of SL.

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37 minutes ago, discussionbot said:

I found my piece of a great seafront on Auctions, so definitely keep an eye on those.

Where can you see where land is being auctioned? 

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49 minutes ago, brodiac90 said:

What should I be considering? How do I go about getting one of the more desireable plots of land? Are there things to avoid? Basically I don't know what I don't know lol.  

Personally, if I plan to get some General land later, I plan to reach out to the of the trusted SL Real Estate experts from the Forums.

Maybe one of them will see your thread and reply.

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A couple of places that have the advantage of being all G-rated regions clustered together:

  • Western half of Bay City, so Falmouth and everything to the west. Pricey. Not quite as pricey as the eastern half of Bay City, though.
  • The former Teen Grid, which I think they call the "Sharp Continent" which contains G-rated snippets of the Mainland's "main attractions" sewn together. Start at Hyperion and head southeast. Some expensive, some not that bad.

But if price is an object, as suggested Auctions are probably a good place to start.

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I like to use the search function in the Firestorm viewer to find land, but sometimes I just map hop and look for abandoned spots. The easiest way I've found to locate those is to use a HUD, like this one, which is what I use: https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/ti-Land-Survey-HUD/6775289.

As @Qie Niangaonoted, there are a bunch of G regions with double prim allowances in Bay City. I can recommend that option if you want to be sure that folks are complying with the maturity ratings rules (ARs for violations of those seem to get handled very quickly in Bay City). To the east, in Nova Albion, you'll find other double prim G rated regions (EDIT: actually, I think just Miramare is double prim/G rated). Yes, prices are higher, but if you pay attention, you can find more reasonable prices, and definitely watch for auctions (though land flippers tend to jump on the double prim stuff).

Personally, if I didn't want to be in Bay City, I'd go out exploring with that HUD I linked above, and see what I can get for cheap going the abandoned land route. That way, if you don't like it later, you won't be out much. Mainland is unpredictable and there are no guarantees that what looks good today will still look good tomorrow!

EDIT: I forgot to mention all the original SL regions off to the east of Nova Albion. Not double prim, but lots of G rated spots. It's a cool place to be if you like SL historical locations, but some of the parcels can get a bit crazy with the higher terraforming limits.

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@brodiac90,

Here's the two g-rated parcels I'd buy if I was going to buy something that's on the market right now. These are both exceptionally good historic parcels, especially for their asking prices.

http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Brown/180/224/25

http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Celadon/152/25/21

 

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3 hours ago, Diablo Lioncourt said:

http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Brown/180/224/25

I second this recommendation. If you're looking for something smaller in the Brown region, this is also an option: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Brown/224/68/40 (1024m2). I almost bought this one for myself a while back, lol. Pricier price per m2 but fits within the size limitation you described. Brown is a region with specific rules that prevent certain high/ugly or commercial buildings, it's a residential zone. So it might interest you more than other places if you're not a fan of the visual chaos that takes place on most of the Mainland.

I took a look around, and here are a few other good G-rated parcels that are currently for sale:

10 hours ago, Qie Niangao said:

Western half of Bay City, so Falmouth and everything to the west. Pricey. Not quite as pricey as the eastern half of Bay City, though.

This recommendation is also good, due to the double prims. You can build using twice the usual amount of prims that a 1024m2 or 2048m2 parcel would provide you. But the price is very high - cheaper than the M-rated parts of Bay City, though.

If you're not willing to spend much on land, I highly recommend buying abandoned land for 1 L$/m2 and using a skybox. Very cost-effective.

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So an update. 

First just let me thank everyone for the lovely replies. I've even had someone contact me in world and explain things like protected, terrain terraform limits and to watch out for regions with rental companies and sky boxes etc. All very useful to know. 

I had a look at the plots in Bay City and Hyperion and I just don't think I can justify spending $600+ for what is essentially my first foray into land ownership, as nice as the double prims sound. 

Plots in the L$50,000 range seem more reasonable and not as big of a loss if I mess things up. Auctions and the abandoned land route are also possibilities at this point. 

Brown does seem interesting. I have some more questions on that. What is the significance of historic land? Is it merely a sentiment or are there practical differences that effect price? What exactly does the Brown covenant entail and are there other such covenants elsewhere? 

The person I was speaking to in world last night also showed me the colour regions, specifically sage which has a 40 / - 40 terraform limit which I found very interesting. 

Lastly, what projections do people have for General land going forwards? Is the introduction of Mobile and Apple's stance on content likely to see General land become more desirable or about the same as it currently is? I'm not asking to make money but more from the perspective of understanding how hard or easy it will be to sell my plot should the need ever arise if you see what I mean. From the conversation I had last night, the impression I got is that General land is generally harder to sell than Moderate or Adult. I'm sure it's much more complicated than that but as I said it's just a very general impression if you'll pardon the pun 😇

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3 minutes ago, brodiac90 said:

Brown does seem interesting. I have some more questions on that. What is the significance of historic land? Is it merely a sentiment or are there practical differences that effect price? What exactly does the Brown covenant entail and are there other such covenants elsewhere? 

From the inimitable @Prokofy Neva:

https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Color_Sims

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The default price of the titles of  a Mainland 1024m parcel  is just L$1024
The fact that some people (including my self) raising the price to rediculus high amounts is because of greed issues.

LL sell parcels at (G) Regions for 1024 or 2048 linden Including blue, Varney, or whatrever... "historical" or as been said, "prime"!

Here are some parcels LL sells in (G) areas today:
http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Barete/48/80/2
http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Qinglong/190/46/2

Is NOT recommended to buy expensive lands and/or big changs when someone is new.
The best is to go premium for a month or two..
Paying only for the tier of 1024 ( they call it free)
And learn all about the LAND MENU because that is what makes someone enjoy what they paid for!
Then they will know exactly how much of land they want to use ( prim wise)
Meanwhile, they can spend L$100 or L$200 to rent , not from LL , but from an individual ( including my self) so they can COMPARE the prices between LL and individuals , as well as the policy issues!

Thats my 2 cent, after I ve been called to reply!
Wish you to find exactly the land you looking for!
With Kind Regards,


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P.S. Thank you love ;)
P.S. And no! They didnt ment me as to be aware of!
P.S. The last time someone ask help like this, here ,  they end up buying a simple waterland whitch they told its sailable. They paid heeps and when they tried to sell it  (as sailable) they was blaming me of shaming them because it Wasnt a sailable and they was asking an arm an a leg for it..
 

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How does billing for tier work? I understand if you have Premium or Premium Plus that your allowance can either be 1024 or 2048 without incurring any extra fees, but say you did get a bigger plot, is the tier maintenance charged to a credit / debit card or do you need to have the lindens in your account? 

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It's been a while, but when my land allowance exceeded my tier limits the extra charge came out of my VISA.  The fact that tier does not have more graduated increases has always been one of my pet peeves - go one meter over your tier limit and you are paying for the next higher bracket.  

My general advice when starting out would be to find an inexpensive parcel within your tier limits and learn as you go.  

 

An older article on "How Not To Buy Land" https://thesecondlifetourist.blogspot.com/2016/07/draft-how-not-to-buy-real-estate-in_79.html (has not been updated). Based on my mistakes, which I still make. Seems I always "buy high and sell low."

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42 minutes ago, brodiac90 said:

 is the tier maintenance charged to a credit / debit card or do you need to have the lindens in your account? 

Tier is charged in US$, not L$. I'm paranoid enough to always keep a zero US$ Tilia balance so I don't know this part for a fact, but I believe Billing will first take any existing Tilia US$ balance before charging to the Payment method you've set up for "Land, premium and other recurring fees" on the Billing Information page of the dashboard. (For obscure historical reasons, mine is set to use PayPal, but you can assign a credit card to that instead.)

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Oh, about bigger plots: Did anyone explain group-deeded land yet? It probably won't matter, but if you are holding land just slightly (10%) over your allotment, using a group to own the land can save paying any extra tier. Because land comes in 16m² quanta, it's not exactly 10%, but a group can use

  • a 1024m² allowance to hold up to 1120m², or
  • a 2048m² allowance to hold up to 2240m²

and similarly for other total allowances including paid-for tier contributions.

[ edit: may as well add the following ]

I don't think anybody mentioned this. To find a very cheap small parcel to start with, treating it as more or less disposable when you move on to something else, you can just start with a basic search of all G-rated Mainland currently for sale, sorting by L$ price. Those will include some real stinkers, so buyer beware (e.g., make sure the land area is reasonably contiguous, etc.) but there are likely real bargains in there too.

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4 minutes ago, Cedric Brown said:
5 hours ago, brodiac90 said:

and to watch out for regions with rental companies

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I mean, who would want to own land next to/in regions with rental parcels/skybox stacks? F that. 

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http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Tenjin/128/128/14

 

I like this area, roadside,  protected waterfront, enough flat land to build on. You should also try negotiating a lower price when you see something you like. It can't hurt. Be careful though, I think I spotted a rental company parcel nearby. 😉 ....... Oh, I have noticed prices coming down in general...patience

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2 minutes ago, discussionbot said:

I mean, who would want to own land next to/in regions with rental parcels/skybox stacks? F that. 

Not all rental companies operate skybox stacks.  Some layout gorgeous parcels (even if they are all similar to each other) with great landscaping, etc.

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3 minutes ago, Cedric Brown said:

Good luck finding those regions without a rental company in it

Huh? Plenty of those around, including my current seafront region. 

 

3 minutes ago, Gabriele Graves said:

Not all rental companies operate skybox stacks.  Some layout gorgeous parcels (even if they are all similar to each other) with great landscaping, etc.

For sure, I was including them all. I’ve often been bitten with bad neighbours who get a rental and remove all the good default landscaping with their own even more worst things, so it’s probably wise to be vary of being surrounded/being in close vicinity of rentals. 

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37 minutes ago, Gabriele Graves said:

Not all rental companies operate skybox stacks.  Some layout gorgeous parcels (even if they are all similar to each other) with great landscaping, etc.

Agreed, I challenge anyone that none of the "Forum Regulars" who do Rentals "stack" rentals of skyboxes. Otherwise, their ads and discussions would reflect that.

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