Diablo Lioncourt Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 (edited) The game is rough, my friends. Two weeks on the market, below government price, and this new "land flipper" has not yet gotten any bites on this one! Edited June 8 by Diablo Lioncourt 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Melody Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 So far, I count 36 Moderate region parcels now for sale by Lindens. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJoyful Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 7 hours ago, Diablo Lioncourt said: this new "land flipper" has not yet gotten any bites on this one! Hopefully making the land For Sale will help reduce the swathes of Abandoned Land. Also, I hope Governor Linden will add some more infrastructure (roads, paths, possibly some updated landscaping) for the inland portions of Mainland if large parcels if large inland parcels doesn't sell fast enough. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beethros Karas Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 I never liked land flippers.. They was Always desrtroying Mainland. I do love this "new" flipper as its been called! There is a GOD seems to! THANK YOU pixeled God! 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 Maybe the parcels were confiscated from users who were banned? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persephone Emerald Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 9 hours ago, Diablo Lioncourt said: The game is rough, my friends. Two weeks on the market, below government price, and this new "land flipper" has not yet gotten any bites on this one! At least they don't have to worry about paying tier on it. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diablo Lioncourt Posted June 9 Author Share Posted June 9 (edited) 17 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said: Maybe the parcels were confiscated from users who were banned? Seriously, a lot of them appear to be plots abandoned by multiple people that were "repaired"/merged together, and then just placed for sale with no attempt to cut into tier-friendly sizes or usable shapes. If these were auctioned off without breaking them up, someone might place a single bid, get them for .5/m2, and then cut them into a bunch of more user-friendly plots for cheap sale or rent. This just makes it easier and faster. They all appear to be in regions that are usually "awake" due to avatars there or in an adjacent region, and they don't seem to include any land they'd actually get much for by auctioning it off. This, and them putting the Mainland rules in the "buy land" interface, may indicate they're going to be making further changes to help repopulate mainland.... Edited June 9 by Diablo Lioncourt 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 11 minutes ago, Diablo Lioncourt said: This just makes it easier and faster. You don't have to find abandoned land, put in a ticket, and wait. Agreed. 11 minutes ago, Diablo Lioncourt said: This, and them putting the Mainland rules in the "buy land" interface, may indicate they're going to be making further changes to help repopulate mainland.... Sounds legit! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extrude Ragu Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Sounds like a promising development Maybe if LL are working on the mainland tidying things up, it would be a good opportunity to add some more walkways and roads between plots of land, to make mainland exploration more viable on foot/by car 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persephone Emerald Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 17 minutes ago, Extrude Ragu said: Sounds like a promising development Maybe if LL are working on the mainland tidying things up, it would be a good opportunity to add some more walkways and roads between plots of land, to make mainland exploration more viable on foot/by car Roads and other Linden owned space between parcels also reduces overhang from neighbors and makes it easier to travel (walk or fly) without running into someone else's parcel. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliJo Aldrin Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Anything to increase interest in mainland is a good thing 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diablo Lioncourt Posted June 10 Author Share Posted June 10 (edited) 13 hours ago, Extrude Ragu said: Maybe if LL are working on the mainland tidying things up, it would be a good opportunity to add some more walkways and roads between plots of land, to make mainland exploration more viable on foot/by car They currently have a handful of people who go around and terraform and re-merge the abandoned parcels for the entire grid. These people also handle the requests for abandoned land and setting up the auctions, and who knows what else. Its a big grid, and large parts of it are asleep a lot of the time (minimal cloud resource use/cost). The more avatars are usually present in an area (higher computing cost), the more likely the land specialists are to "do something" about abandoned land there. I've seen them take land that was previously in use and mark it "pending protected" or "not for sale" occasionally, but I've never seen them actually add objects to this land, or any moles come after them and make improvements. It will be exciting to see what else may change. Edited June 10 by Diablo Lioncourt 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diablo Lioncourt Posted June 10 Author Share Posted June 10 (edited) If it was my show, I'd look at the clusters of grid edge & "shallow coast" regions that always have people, and also a lot of abandoned land, and offer a new type of simplified "community land partnership" where a land businesses agrees to buy up the abandoned land in such a region (possibly at 2L/m2), in exchange for the ability to add one or more new private sims directly adjacent to these regions (or 1 sim away, with Linden water in between, etc). These businesses would have every incentive to create easements and enhance the access and value of all their land. They'd need to in order to rent it out, or sell it for enough profit to justify their investment. And they'd want to maintain a presence & infrastructure there to bring traffic to these new sims. I'd offer this option to all sim that have the avatars there and the geography to allow it. Note I did not say anything about removing any Linden oceans, roads, etc. New sims would be added where existing land stops and transitions to void. IMO, this would be the easiest and most profitable way to bring new life to the mainland. LL would be minting new private sims and also getting mainland sims they already pay to keep running filled up. This would bring in additional revenue right away without them having to do much additional work. Edited June 10 by Diablo Lioncourt Removed stuff about ZIndra. No AL there! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 17 minutes ago, Diablo Lioncourt said: IMO, this would be the easiest and most profitable way to bring new life to the mainland. Right, well - your idea seems sound. But, if the point was really to "sell abandoned land because it wasn't getting claimed", that seems like a valid thing to do. The point isn't necessarily to "profit" from selling that abandoned land, but to add the land back to the "land resource", hoping it gets used etc. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJoyful Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 2 minutes ago, Diablo Lioncourt said: These businesses would have every incentive to create easements and enhance the access and value of all their land. They'd need to in order to rent it out, or sell it for enough profit to justify their investment. I'm pretty sure any single owner can attach Private Estates to existing Mainland providing they attach at least 12 Regions (Can be 1 Full and 11 Homesteads) AND provide public access through the land and sign a contract stating they agree to this and its maintenance and the extra fee for the contract is US$500, plus the usual set up fee per Region. I'm sure this isn't in everyone's budget but I also think it isn't out of everyone's budget either. ♥ Mainland, thousands of contiguous Regions of land is unique to Second Life among ALL other virtual worlds and it IS Second Life's biggest and best difference... and what makes this virtual world a real place to me. Navigating routes to destinations, using the Map, seeing what's going on around our Homes, eye-rolling at the neighbours plywood box platform or low hanging skybox or admiring a truly beautiful build, living this virtual life and seeing other green dots on the mini-map is a genuine comfort and reassurance that each green dot you encounter is a connection to a real person, whether they are a bot, afk, posting in social media, chatting in discord... we're not alone in this big small world. ♥ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJoyful Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 7 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said: The point isn't necessarily to "profit" from selling that abandoned land, but to add the land back to the "land resource", hoping it gets used etc. This is so true! There is a cost to keeping Abandoned Land online, it is an expense (probably a pretty large one!) for Linden Lab. Even if its just used as a 'prim bank' for another landowner in the Region and left empty, its an expense LL won't have to deduct from the income we're paying to LL. If the Lab's land expense is reduced, Linden Lab will naturally be able to reduce tier prices for us (as they have already done) ♥ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diablo Lioncourt Posted June 10 Author Share Posted June 10 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said: The point isn't necessarily to "profit" from selling that abandoned land, but to add the land back to the "land resource", hoping it gets used etc. LL needs to get as much revenue as possible from the resources they use. They're in business to make money ("profit") and provide value to users any way they can, for as long as they can. Selling land is a small part of that picture, but its part of the end game. Sorry if the way I worded it wasn't clear. Edited June 10 by Diablo Lioncourt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diablo Lioncourt Posted June 10 Author Share Posted June 10 (edited) 35 minutes ago, BJoyful said: I'm pretty sure any single owner can attach Private Estates to existing Mainland providing they attach at least 12 Regions (Can be 1 Full and 11 Homesteads) AND provide public access through the land and sign a contract stating they agree to this and its maintenance and the extra fee for the contract is US$500, plus the usual set up fee per Region. I'm sure this isn't in everyone's budget but I also think it isn't out of everyone's budget either. ♥ Exactly. My idea was to create a lower threshold that would incentivize a bunch of newer, smaller additions to the parts of mainland that are most in use and also have the most abandoned land present, where its physically possible to do without the time investment of moving/changing existing sims. I don't see converting this purchased mainland AL into an estate as viable for a lot of reasons. So raise the price, and make them buy a fair chunk of it (such as quarter sim or more, half sim or more, whatever) to get this new privilege. But require a lower number of sims for the community gateway if they buy up some mainland, and maybe allow Premium Plus members to do this will all homesteads sims:) That might get people who'd didn't even know it was possible to consider it. Edited June 10 by Diablo Lioncourt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJoyful Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 7 minutes ago, Diablo Lioncourt said: I don't see converting this purchased mainland AL into an estate as viable for a lot of reasons. I don't think that will ever happen, and hopefully never will happen, but having beautiful Estates attached to Mainland dramatically improves the Mainland around those areas. Building Bellisseria close to Mainland has made a terrific improvement in Mainland values there and concurrently has been updated by new owners. I really like the idea of an incentive of some sort to potential 'attached to Mainland' Estate prospective purchasers ♥ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 16 minutes ago, Diablo Lioncourt said: 33 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said: The point isn't necessarily to "profit" from selling that abandoned land, but to add the land back to the "land resource", hoping it gets used etc. As a business, LL needs to get as much revenue as possible from the resources they use. They're in business to make money and provide value to users any way they can, for as long as they can. Sorry if the way I worded it wasn't clear. Sure. I left out, if LL tries to profit from the SALE of the abandoned land, then they are directly competing with others who sell land. So, I assume some of the discussion agrees with that (thus the ironic topic, "SL's Newest Land Baron"); nobody wants SL to complete with others selling land. At the same time, probably nobody would cry if LL competed with the biggest and most profitable "Land Barons". 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJoyful Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 2 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said: nobody would cry if LL competed with the biggest and most profitable "Land Barons". I'm not familiar with many Mainland Land Barons but so far my Mainland is mostly the large adjacent continents and the new Mainland Covenant appears to address some of my definition of eyesores with the Lab's right to relocate, rename, change maturity of Regions, etc. I'm sure LL has no interest in competing with SL Realtors and if they happen to reduce land-cutting while selling off AL WoOoooooOHooOo! 🥳 Maybe some talented SL Realtors will grab this cheap land and improve it before selling? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diablo Lioncourt Posted June 10 Author Share Posted June 10 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said: nobody wants SL to complete with others selling land. But they're the biggest and oldest land pimp on the grid, and they'll never be as fast or efficient as the little guys:) Their auctions in areas like Horizons, Bay City, etc can go for more than what it would cost you to just buy that double-prim 1024 from another resident! And its 100% profit to them. For many other places, however, they will always need private land businesses to do most of the the work for them. By design. Their end game with land is about the tier. My idea gets more tier paid tomorrow without a bunch more work and disruption to existing users today. I don't think it puts LL any more into the land business than they've already placed themselves. It may add more small, private, Belli-like places. Mini Blakes. That enhances the value of nearby maindland and keeps it alive. That's the real point. Land sale money, sim setup money, and any additional fees are just a bonus for them. Edited June 10 by Diablo Lioncourt 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qie Niangao Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Short of some sizeable influx of mobile players or something, the Land products fit a zero-sum game to a close approximation. If the Lab succeeds in filling up more abandoned Mainland, most of that new occupancy will come from Mainlanders leaving their existing holdings, some from one Linden Homes continent or another, and some from Estates. Some vanishingly small amount may come from non-landowners suddenly enticed by available Mainland—and actual net increase of total land in service—which would be great but realistically it's pretty unlikely to pay anybody's salary for more than a few minutes a month. Nonetheless, it may be very worth doing to protect the existing level of land ownership. Losing Mainlanders doesn't always result in gains anywhere else. Even merely shifting demand among the different Land products is usually the result of a pricing change (a long tick-tock of reduced tier vs Estate fees) or some dramatically changed product (such as Bellisseria's improvements over the old Linden Homes). It's convenient to have some abandoned land already set for sale, and other things suggested here may help Mainland compete better with the other Land products, but that seems pretty deep in the margins to me. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theresa Tennyson Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 1 hour ago, Diablo Lioncourt said: They currently have a handful of people who go around and terraform and re-merge the abandoned parcels for the entire grid. These people also handle the requests for abandoned land and setting up the auctions, and who knows what else. Its a big grid, and large parts of it are asleep a lot of the time (minimal cloud resource use/cost). The more avatars are usually present in an area (higher computing cost), the more likely the land specialists are to "do something" about abandoned land there. I've seen them take land that was previously in use and mark it "pending protected" or "not for sale" occasionally, but I've never seen them actually add objects to this land, or any moles come after them and make improvements. It will be exciting to see what else may change. These sales apparently started a little while ago. My "family" has a town on the Mainland and there were expansion plans for a while so the group was carrying extra tier. Then one day a large patch of land was put up for sale to anyone directly next to the town, and interestingly enough it was between the town and another land owner. The building committee (i.e. me) decided to buy the land to prevent someone else from buying it and then re-jiggered holdings to keep the tier payment the same. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Sounds legit. More used land = more tier fees = MOAR PROFIT (said with Ferengi accent). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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