LL has sucked all the fun out of it.

[BilliJo Aldrin]

33 minutes ago, stlshayne said:

Have you, or have you heard any first-hand accounts?

omg you are starting to bore me

[BilliJo Aldrin]

27 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

If I was in SL for something other than having an avatar appearing as low 20's, that would be good advice as it would unimportant how my avatar looks but then I wouldn't need SL for that. Any other platform would do. 

It is because it is important to me that I much prefer that style of avatar. If that is no longer allowable then maybe other platforms with a little more freedom of expression might be a better alternative. At this point however it seem the rigidity of expression is coming mostly from oldbie residents, not so much the Lab.

seriously, who in here wants to look old? Young women are more desirable than old women, its a biological fact

facts? omg isn’t that hate speech?

[Luna Bliss]

39 minutes ago, Blush Bravin said:

If your avatar looks 14 but since it's so hard to tell a 14 year old from an 18, then make your avatar look older than 18. Make sure you avatar cannot be mistaken for under 20 or 25. Do whatever it takes and STOP making excuses. This isn't rocket science. Do what it takes to be certain your avatar is not perceived as an edge case and stop defending your right to look 14 but say you are 18.

I know you've mentioned being a teacher, Blush, so you're aware that a certain percentage of students just aren't able to keep up with those who can process basic information much faster. Reading comprehension can be hard for these people, and we do see some of these types make their way to the forum. It's sad but true.

Edited June 7 by Luna Bliss

[stlshayne]

3 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

Here is a much better better idea, just mind your own business 

Darling, you started a thread...

3 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

Im 5ft 5 and large breasted. There are 15 yr olds in rl that are 5 ft 5  and are large breasted.

I don’t look 14,

So you admit age-to-age there's a grey area and it should be an overall thing? Or would you rather have straight standards about height and what you're allowed to wear regarding how old you appear?

[stlshayne]

5 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

omg you are starting to bore me

That a no then?

[Rowan Amore]

8 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

Im 5ft 5 and large breasted. There are 15 yr olds in rl that are 5 ft 5  and are large breasted.

So you are saying I cant look the way I want because there are rl 15 year olds that look like me? There are also 20 year olds that look like me.

I don’t look 14, but you might choose to see me as 14 and report me.

So once again, its “you better make yourself look 30 just to be safe”.

Here is a much better better idea, just mind your own business and stop looking for people to report for the crime of looking young

No one will mistake your face for that of a female child or anyone under 18.

[stlshayne]

5 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

I know you've mentioned being a teacher, Blush, so you're aware that a certain percentage of students just aren't able to keep up with those who can process basic information much faster. Reading comprehension can be hard for these people, and we do see some of these types make their way to the forum. It's sad but true.

She's probably dealt with so much childishness we're lucky to have her among us. Let's not push it. 

[Luna Bliss]

3 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

seriously, who in here wants to look old? Young women are more desirable than old women, its a biological fact

facts? omg isn’t that hate speech?

Do you know we have some middle-aged men, hell even elderly men, who love to present as underage girls and role play all sorts of sexual scenarios (being the girl, having sex with older men or women, imagining they're the older man having sex with the girl).

Participating in a few self-actualization groups in SL I've seen it all!

I do need to confront on your comment about young women being more desirable though -- in these groups there have been residents, both male and female, who are attracted to older women!

[stlshayne]

I'd take an older woman who knows what she wants any day.

 

(Ladies, calm down. I'm spoken for.)

[Arielle Popstar]

31 minutes ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:

Your avatar looks mid 20s. You're totally fine.

That was one look. The one I use to go shopping. The one I use now predominantly is this

 

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You can have an avatar of any age here. The new TOS doesn't ban that.

No but it does limit what I can do depending on what age others think my apparent age is, regardless of whether my R/L age is over 18. And does the age i appeared as yesterday, have a bearing on the RP I engage in today, even if I am on a different sim wearing a different outfit and look?

These are questions no one can confidently answer because none here can determine what a member of the Governance team is going to do. One is playing russian roulette with any adult activity.

 

[Rowan Amore]

12 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

seriously, who in here wants to look old? Young women are more desirable than old women, its a biological fact

facts? omg isn’t that hate speech?

The number of women marrying younger men is rising. A study released in 2003 by the UK's Office for National Statistics concluded that the proportion of women in England and Wales marrying younger men rose from 15% to 26% between 1963 and 1998.

According to a census, 12 in every 100 US marriages involve an older woman and a younger man. 

 

BTW, looking 30 isn't old.  It's SL, too so biology really has nothing whatsoever to do with anything.  If that guy wants you to play underage, it has nothing to do with biology but AP.

[Ayashe Ninetails]

14 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

seriously, who in here wants to look old? Young women are more desirable than old women, its a biological fact

*Raises hand* I do. My avatars range from upper 20s to 70s. Some are even flat out (un)dead.

I don't hang around SL to meet men, though. I design avatars. Older avies are interesting and exciting to make. They have more character and detail and are a hell of a lot of fun to shop for. I love the challenge.

I'm also a part-time frog, orc, sphynx cat, satyr, mermaid, zombie, demon, Lovecraftian monster.... Clearly I'm not interested whatsoever in what any man thinks of my appearance. Not mah problem if they don't agree I'm adorable AF.

[stlshayne]

6 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

That was one look. The one I use to go shopping. The one I use now predominantly is this

 

No but it does limit what I can do depending on what age others think my apparent age is, regardless of whether my R/L age is over 18. And does the age i appeared as yesterday, have a bearing on the RP I engage in today, even if I am on a different sim wearing a different outfit and look?

These are questions no one can confidently answer because none here can determine what a member of the Governance team is going to do. One is playing russian roulette with any adult activity.

 

I do not mean to offend anyone. But - all of this hubub? Your hips extending a feet past your waist? And you worry about being mistaken for 15ish?

Edited June 7 by stlshayne

[Rolig Loon]

5 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

The one I use now predominantly is this

If you had posted that in the "Child, Adult, or Can't Tell" thread, I would say you look like a 35 year old who wishes she were still 19.  There's no way I would mistake you for someone playing an underage person. You have nothing to worry about, even if your avatar starts talking baby talk and calling people "Daddy".  You're not even an edge case.

[Ayashe Ninetails]

4 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

That was one look. The one I use to go shopping. The one I use now predominantly is this

Still mid 20s to me. All good.

 

5 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

No but it does limit what I can do depending on what age others think my apparent age is, regardless of whether my R/L age is over 18.

No it doesn't. Avatars over 18 don't need to worry about modesty layers or being on adult land. You'd be limited if you rolled up on adult land in a toddler avatar. Then you'd have some problems.

 

7 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

And does the age i appeared as yesterday, have a bearing on the RP I engage in today, even if I am on a different sim wearing a different outfit and look?

No. I believe they added that in the FAQ somewheres.

[Rowan Amore]

And this is the look I used to visit a few adult sex regions...with no problem.  Of course, I wasn't RPing anything questionable.  I was standing and talking with a friend who wondered why I was dressed like I was.   Right there, in proximity to people SLexing.  It's a wonder I'm still around, huh?

https://gyazo.com/866f71b51164819a3a6fe78b32e24b0f

 

 

[Luna Bliss]

6 minutes ago, stlshayne said:

I do not mean to offend anyone. But - all of this hubub? Your hips extending a feet past your waist? And you worry about being mistaken for 15ish?

I'm beginning to think all this horrible confusion is not even serious!

[PermaRuthed]

On 6/6/2024 at 4:39 AM, Love Zhaoying said:

It was obviously a "no fly" zone.

Making the whole grid a no-fly zone should be a bigger worry.

[Cinnamon Mistwood]

The thread started out (I think) being about AI monitoring,  but we're right back to avatar appearance.  No one thing will catch you a ban unless you are using a body marketed to children and admitting to being 9 while banging grampa.

How many of these boxes do you check? It will be the combination of several that get you in trouble and ALL of them are under your control 

Perceived age

Height

Clothes/accessories

Location

Chat logs 

Circumstances

Roleplay

Your profile

The list of things taken into account before action is taken is long enough to make it very rare for an innocent to be banned.

How many of those boxes above do each of us check? 

[Madi Melodious]

4 hours ago, brodiac90 said:

I have some experience with security tools and let me just say, they can be extremely expensive to employ. The higher the quality, the longer you want to monitor for, the amount you want to monitor, it all adds to the cost and that cost grows exponentially whichever factor you increase. 

I'm really surprised how many of you think this would be a difficult task to do.  Where I work we have close to a thousand servers feeding almost a 100GB a minute of data to a rack of splunk servers that monitor all this data in real time looking for issues.  

Second Life IMs and inworld messages do not equal anywhere near that data.  I would be surprised if all the IM's and local chat from avatars got even close to 1GB a minutes.  On a modern multicore system, I could design and write a system that would monitor that in Real Time in perl, in probably an hour.

A simple system that would be effective would be a score system like some spamfilters use.  Each key word you are looking for is given a number score.  All the data coming in over a specific time is scanned and the keyword matching scores are added up.  Once that number reaches a trigger level that account is flagged for farther attention.  There, I just designed the system in a little under a minute.   I can already see the code for it in my head.   A limited version of such score system is used in my panic button hud.

As for motive, really, I would be surprised if LL didn't do this.  It would actually be foolish for them not to.   As for the idea that there are hordes of lindens sitting around combing through our personal messages looking for TOS violations, why would there be?  Once a conversation is flagged by the automatic system, it simply drops a notice into a queue somewhere.  Then given time someone comes and examines the tickets in the queue and acts on them.

 

Edited June 7 by Madi Melodious

[Arielle Popstar]

7 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

And this is the look I used to visit a few adult sex regions...with no problem.  Of course, I wasn't RPing anything questionable.  I was standing and talking with a friend who wondered why I was dressed like I was.   Right there, in proximity to people SLexing.  It's a wonder I'm still around, huh?

https://gyazo.com/866f71b51164819a3a6fe78b32e24b0f

Shouldn't be a problem if there no toxic AR'ers around. The prob is there are enough in the forums threatening it to cause a concern. Maybe that is the problem. The moral minority that frequent the forums.

[stlshayne]

3 minutes ago, Cinnamon Mistwood said:

The thread started out (I think) being about AI monitoring,  but we're right back to avatar appearance.  No one thing will catch you a ban unless you are using a body marketed to children and admitting to being 9 while banging grampa.

How many of these boxes do you check? It will be the combination of several that get you in trouble and ALL of them are under your control 

Perceived age

Height

Clothes/accessories

Location

Chat logs 

Circumstances

Roleplay

Your profile

The list of things taken into account before action is taken is long enough to make it very rare for an innocent to be banned.

How many of those boxes above do each of us check? 

Oh, you'll think youl'll get through to her and she won't just go "but what about?" This is  Page #21 of Thread #6.

Edited June 7 by stlshayne

[Annie Nova]

6 hours ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

Are you suggesting sexual AP is allowed in certain circumstances?

And, you are wrong regarding me,  I don't do sexual *****, I don't even try to get close to the line. I stop any guy that tries to cross the line.

I'm saying LL could totally misinterpret legal sex play in their bizarre quest to make child cartoons safe from... something

 

[Annie Nova]

5 hours ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

ooo that's my next thread. 😂

interesting you should say that, because your AI helper in your new win 11 OS will do exactly that.... millions of screenshots, to be shared with the authorities if something questionable shows up.

Picture of your grandchild nude in the bathtub.... wreeeeee kiddie porn, notify the authorities

sorry, but proactive enforcement of the TOS = AI monitoring of our every word

Denial is a wonderful way to go through life isn't it?

 

[Ceka Cianci]

47 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

Im 5ft 5 and large breasted. There are 15 yr olds in rl that are 5 ft 5  and are large breasted.

So you are saying I cant look the way I want because there are rl 15 year olds that look like me? There are also 20 year olds that look like me.

I don’t look 14, but you might choose to see me as 14 and report me.

So once again, its “you better make yourself look 30 just to be safe”.

Here is a much better better idea, just mind your own business and stop looking for people to report for the crime of looking young

5.5 to me seems pretty tall..

From my view anyways.. hehehe