Will The New TOS on Child Avatars Ensnare Short Adults?

[Arielle Popstar]

2 hours ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Wow.

Are we trying to lawyer our way around the illegality of AP here?

Only to the extent that black and white thinkers try to justify that an adult dressed in a child suit is actually therefore a child. They've now been magically transformed from a 18+ year old to a -18 year old and now subject to any R/L a*geplay laws.

Next they'll be arguing that a daffy duck avatar is subject to being hunted only during duck season! Slippery slope eh?

 

 

[BilliJo Aldrin]

10 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

Only to the extent that black and white thinkers try to justify that an adult dressed in a child suit is actually therefore a child. They've now been magically transformed from a 18+ year old to a -18 year old and now subject to any R/L a*geplay laws.

Next they'll be arguing that a daffy duck avatar is subject to being hunted only during duck season! Slippery slope eh?

 

 

Just remember, no actual children are harmed in SL pedo play, but so many people seem to forget that, and cry out "we must do it for the children"

I guess if we really wanna save the children, LL should go all in and simply ban all child avis, that way pedos will have NOTHING to be tempted by 😂

Edited May 17 by BilliJo Aldrin
added a line

[Starberry Passion]

3 hours ago, Persephone Emerald said:

Linden Lab *will* ban adults for talking dirty if one or both of them are representing as a minor.

Linden Lab will not ban anyone for looks alone, if they appear adult over all, they will be left alone. Will have to take more than just looks.

[Extrude Ragu]

45 minutes ago, Chery Amore said:

I'm not sure how to respond to the anime part. Yes avatars that dress like this or act like are usually looked at as underage. There's not going to be a whole lot of give on that perception. So for your hobby in sl it's a wait and see. 

To you, an inconvenient sidenote.

To me, everything.

It is what me and my friends connect and bond over and share memories together. You might as well call it our way of life.

[BilliJo Aldrin]

5 minutes ago, Starberry Passion said:

Linden Lab will not ban anyone for looks alone, if they appear adult over all, they will be left alone. Will have to take more than just looks.

But they will look at everyone's ims (probably an AI tagged to key words)

I wonder, are they gonna monitor the ims of every child avatar 24/7 to see if they are one of "them"

 

Edited May 17 by BilliJo Aldrin
added a line

[Starberry Passion]

19 hours ago, Arielle Popstar said:

Yes I think it is because psychologically one does not mature beyond the time of a traumatic event until one deals and heals from it. So in a similar situation the fight, flight, freeze response gets stuck in a rut and is replayed each time, regardless of the age. One can do all the right things well into adulthood, but the wrong sort of trigger brings one back to that stage of life that the event first happened.

This is true, irl many of us with that trauma do regress where a time where we were most happy, often time is a child. in *****, irl which is between two adults, most do come from a background of trauma and parental problems. They were either abused, neglected, wasn't allowed to be a child so they often go into their head to see what its like, or make up something to feel like a kid. It is a long process to get over that trauma, and people do make them feel bad about it not even knowing what they've gone through. Not all are into irl ***** that have that trauma, however. Some just like it.

The problem why it is banned on S.L. is because people used it for Virtual Child Porn, instead of being between two adult avatars. 

[Rowan Amore]

15 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

Only to the extent that black and white thinkers try to justify that an adult dressed in a child suit is actually therefore a child. They've now been magically transformed from a 18+ year old to a -18 year old and now subject to any R/L a*geplay laws.

Next they'll be arguing that a daffy duck avatar is subject to being hunted only during duck season! Slippery slope eh?

 

 

Where exactly was anyone saying that?  It certainly wasn't me.  You and a few others kept trying to draw RL situations/psychology into the debate.  The new and old rules state that it's child presenting avatars.  Whether someone tries something on a 16-17 year old resident on General land (age in RL) is an entirely different matter and something that could be prosecuted in RL.  That's not what the discussion is about.  

[Ceka Cianci]

8 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

Just remember, no actual children are harmed in SL pedo play, but so many people seem to forget that, and cry out "we must do it for the children"

I'm not worried about the two adults and them getting in or out of trouble..

I'm gonna be more worried about where i put my eye bleach or my unsee juice, if I come across something like that.

Especially if it's on a Saturday or Sunday..

That's really gonna upset my shopping flow.  I hate when that happens.

 

 

[Cinnamon Mistwood]

Will The New TOS on Child Avatars Ensnare Short Adults?

No.

[BilliJo Aldrin]

Just now, Cinnamon Mistwood said:

Will The New TOS on Child Avatars Ensnare Short Adults?

No.

wow, we could have saved 30 pages of posts if you had just said that right away 😁

[Cinnamon Mistwood]

Just now, BilliJo Aldrin said:

wow, we could have saved 30 pages of posts if you had just said that right away 😁

Yeah, I shouldn't have held back on my opinion.  

[BilliJo Aldrin]

3 minutes ago, Ceka Cianci said:

I'm not worried about the two adults and them getting in or out of trouble..

I'm gonna be more worried about where i put my eye bleach or my unsee juice, if I come across something like that.

Especially if it's on a Saturday or Sunday..

That's really gonna upset my shopping flow.  I hate when that happens.

 

 

Well you shouldn't come across it, because I'm sure it will be hidden in some skybox way up in the air somewhere, with invisibility turned on.

[Ceka Cianci]

1 minute ago, Cinnamon Mistwood said:

Will The New TOS on Child Avatars Ensnare Short Adults?

No.

Ya, us Shawty's don't snare so easy.. Being closer to the ground gives us our edge. We can spot them ropes a mile away.

[Starberry Passion]

1 minute ago, Ceka Cianci said:

Ya, us Shawty's don't snare so easy.. Being closer to the ground gives us our edge. We can spot them ropes a mile away.

can more easily attack the shins and take out our enemy's knees.

[BilliJo Aldrin]

I should start a group for short avatars 😁

[Rowan Amore]

Like there isn't already dozens of those.  🙄

[Coffee Pancake]

2 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

I should start a group for short avatars 😁

Name the group "Ban me Daddy"

[Starberry Passion]

2 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

I should start a group for short avatars 😁

Those are usually dead. People thought being short/average height was against ToS for the longest time, some people still think this way.

[Ceka Cianci]

6 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

Well you shouldn't come across it, because I'm sure it will be hidden in some skybox way up in the air somewhere, with invisibility turned on.

It's been years and years since I did see something like that.. like the maybe 2007 or 08 maybe.

Right in my own house too..

I went right for my nuke, because i just really love that big cloud and splosion it makes..

They almost made it out alive, but i was too quick of a draw. Yep yep uh huh

[BilliJo Aldrin]

Just now, Coffee Pancake said:

Name the group "Ban me Daddy"

Thinking more along the line of "Fun Sized"

[Ceka Cianci]

7 minutes ago, Starberry Passion said:

can more easily attack the shins and take out our enemy's knees.

There is an old saying about Shawty's that I've been bringing back..

God stops when he's reached perfect.. That's why he stopped so soon with us..

hehehe

[Arielle Popstar]

39 minutes ago, Cinnamon Mistwood said:

Will The New TOS on Child Avatars Ensnare Short Adults?

No.

Cute but not wholly correct as the FAQ actually says:

 

Q: Does the height or gender of my avatar define it as a child avatar?

A: No. We review many factors from an Abuse Report to come to a final conclusion, and height or gender alone are not grounds for Governance action.

 

Which is saying it isn't the sole reason but can be part of it.

[Cinnamon Mistwood]

18 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

Cute but not wholly correct as the FAQ actually says:

 

Q: Does the height or gender of my avatar define it as a child avatar?

A: No. We review many factors from an Abuse Report to come to a final conclusion, and height or gender alone are not grounds for Governance action.

 

Which is saying it isn't the sole reason but can be part of it.

So, short adults are fine.  My "no" is the right answer. Adults of any size are fine.  It's all the other stuff that is the issue - childlike behavior, baby talk, child accessories, or saying you are representing a 16 year old. 

 

[Arielle Popstar]

16 minutes ago, Cinnamon Mistwood said:

So, short adults are fine.  My "no" is the right answer. Adults of any size are fine.  It's all the other stuff that is the issue - childlike behavior, baby talk, child accessories, or saying you are representing a 16 year old. 

That isn't how I interpret that official answer. I see it as a case where if I am wearing a babygirl dress and am 5 feet tall or less, I'd likely be seen as a child whereas if I was wearing the same dress but was 7 feet, I'd likely not be seen as such. Without a Linden to clarify that, it's left to be ambiguous and up to the opinion of the member from Governance.

[Sadvhi]

I just realized that there's a lot of confusion due to various BDSM kinks that exist in SL which have similar connotations. There are women in SL who identify as being a babygirl, and seek out a nurturing, dominant partner with whom they feel safe to regress into a childlike mindset. The difference is that they are not trying to present themselves as children, and are not roleplaying children (correct me if I'm wrong). I can see how this could be very confusing. Especially since there is a third type of kink, a subniche where a person identifies as being a "little" rather than a babygirl. Which I do think falls under the disallowed activities, since littles roleplay as children.