Love Zhaoying Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 Just now, Persephone Emerald said: I wonder if there are countries that define "coming of age" movies, such as "The Blue Lagoon", as child pornography? I think India and many Muslim countries would probably define most R-rated movies as pornography. I can definitely imagine some places censoring at least 2 scenes in "The Blue Lagoon" (whether due to the characters' ages or other reasons). I just checked a few and wasn't too surprised to see that a lot of "coming of age" movies ARE rated "R" in the US. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madi Melodious Posted May 30 Author Share Posted May 30 12 hours ago, Aethelwine said: The only male mod body I can think of is slink physique, not sold any more but perhaps your friend has it? If they do then you can try unlinking the anatomically correct bit and the sections of the groin area such that it complies? It might mess up when doing, but maybe an unlinker\relinker script could help. Rebirth has a male body. A friend and I were just looking at them last night. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madi Melodious Posted May 30 Author Share Posted May 30 10 hours ago, brodiac90 said: Rebirth is seen as dodgy as heck by a lot in the kid community. I know of other creators who warned the creator of Rebirth at the time that having a body that could be both an adult and a child with adult genatalia was a bad idea and that they should do something to protect their product and brand. As for those who use adult bodies to play as teens. Keira and Tommy were very clear at the Governance meeting on 9th May. All avatars presenting as under 18 fall under the new policy. Adult body or child body, if you look under 18 and present as a child, then you need modesty layers. I'm looking at going to rebirth and was fishing around for what their response to the new TOS changes. I talked to a CSM last night and they have no response yet but it's coming. As for the genatalia issue with rebirth, you can hide it on the hud. I'm still waiting to see what they decide on the modesty path issue before I make up my mind. Heck, I was talking to a friend last night and I just might roll my own body and be done with it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sadvhi Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 There is going to be a huge market for a TOS compliant teen body, as the 13-17 age group is going to be in dire need of an alternative when the changes are implemented next month. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persephone Emerald Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 7 hours ago, Sadvhi said: Starting June 30th, tweens and teens who are using adult mesh bodies are going to have to switch to one of the child mesh bodies to be compliant. If creators don't make skin with modesty layers baked in for adult mesh bodies, anyone aged 11-17 is going to appear to be prepubescent due to having to use the child avs instead. I think most 17 year olds (high school seniors) will age up to 18. Other teenages might age down for now, until they can get teenager bodies with built in modesty coverings. High school roleplay with anything sexual is going to have just be 18 and 19 year old seniors (like TV shows with 20-somethings playing teenagers), or they could just graduate everyone into college. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madi Melodious Posted May 30 Author Share Posted May 30 5 hours ago, Persephone Emerald said: I wonder if there are countries that define "coming of age" movies, such as "The Blue Lagoon", as child pornography? I think India and many Muslim countries would probably define most R-rated movies as pornography. This is something they will need to take into account. The culture of different countries around the world that are involved in SL. Some countries see no problem with both little boys and girls going topless on a beach. Someone logging on from one of these countries might not even consider the need for panels on the chest. Just for an example. There are probably hundreds of culture issues that will need to be addressed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sadvhi Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 5 hours ago, Persephone Emerald said: I wonder if there are countries that define "coming of age" movies, such as "The Blue Lagoon", as child pornography? I think India and many Muslim countries would probably define most R-rated movies as pornography. I watched a documentary about Brooke Shields recently and was shocked and horrified by the nature of the films and photoshoots she did in the 70s when she was a child. Such content would be illegal now. I can't believe her mother allowed Brooke to do those scenes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madi Melodious Posted May 30 Author Share Posted May 30 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Sadvhi said: There is going to be a huge market for a TOS compliant teen body, as the 13-17 age group is going to be in dire need of an alternative when the changes are implemented next month. The lack of response in this department has me a little concerned. From a business point of view this is a freaking gold mine here and a real opportunity. For the first ones to market with new skins and bodies, I can't see them not making a ton of scratch. Strange. Edited May 30 by Madi Melodious 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sadvhi Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 Maybe they're worried people will use the body to engage in activities that are against the TOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madi Melodious Posted May 30 Author Share Posted May 30 3 minutes ago, Sadvhi said: I watched a documentary about Brooke Shields recently and was shocked and horrified by the nature of the films and photoshoots she did in the 70s when she was a child. Such content would be illegal now. I can't believe her mother allowed Brooke to do those scenes. It was a different time back then. Depending on where you lived, coming out of the '60s nudity was seen as a big deal back then. Even into the '70s it wasn't that big a deal to see nude children in movies and even in RL locations, like beaches. I'm not endorsing or defending this, mind you, just stating. With that being said I've tried to watch the movie Pretty Baby and I'm not sure why that movie was allowed to be made even during the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madi Melodious Posted May 30 Author Share Posted May 30 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Sadvhi said: Maybe they're worried people will use the body to engage in activities that are against the TOS As a creator that would be the least of my concern. As long as the body meets the requirement set out in the TOS, I don't see how the creator can be blamed for the misuse of the body by the end user. Edited May 30 by Madi Melodious 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Couturier Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 42 minutes ago, Persephone Emerald said: (like TV shows with 20-somethings playing teenagers) The British show Shameless had this to the extreme. They had a 27-28 yr old actress playing a 17 yr old. There were sex scenes, of course, but that actress in no way looked like a 17 yr old. Not even sorta close. I'm not even sure why the writers/showrunners even bothered with making her that age. Parentification can continue well after someone turns 18. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arwyn Quandry Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 11 hours ago, brodiac90 said: Rebirth is seen as dodgy as heck by a lot in the kid community. I know of other creators who warned the creator of Rebirth at the time that having a body that could be both an adult and a child with adult genatalia was a bad idea and that they should do something to protect their product and brand. As for those who use adult bodies to play as teens. Keira and Tommy were very clear at the Governance meeting on 9th May. All avatars presenting as under 18 fall under the new policy. Adult body or child body, if you look under 18 and present as a child, then you need modesty layers. Yeah, the very fact that the body can be changed between ages with genitals squicked me. Interestingly, this isn't the first time I've noticed this phenomenon in the kid community where a particular body gets a vibe of being icky. The SMB body had the same reputation. You looked for clothing for it on MP and there was tons of questionable content. I rarely met folks in the genuinely PG community who used it. Same with particular clothing brands, even their non skimpy content. You just don't buy from them because they have the smell of "that" around them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sadvhi Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 55 minutes ago, Madi Melodious said: As a creator that would be the least of my concern. As long as the body meets the requirement set out in the TOS, I don't see how the creator can be blamed for the misuse of the body by the end user. I agree, but there was a creator who pulled her child avatars for this reason so I wasn't sure 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brodiac90 Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 2 hours ago, Madi Melodious said: I'm looking at going to rebirth and was fishing around for what their response to the new TOS changes. I talked to a CSM last night and they have no response yet but it's coming. As for the genatalia issue with rebirth, you can hide it on the hud. I'm still waiting to see what they decide on the modesty path issue before I make up my mind. Heck, I was talking to a friend last night and I just might roll my own body and be done with it. I'm not sure hiding the genatalia would be enough for LL. Who knows? Might be something worth clarifying. Personally, I suspect it wouldn't be okay but what I think doesn't matter - it's what LL thinks that does. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brodiac90 Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 2 hours ago, Madi Melodious said: This is something they will need to take into account. The culture of different countries around the world that are involved in SL. Some countries see no problem with both little boys and girls going topless on a beach. Someone logging on from one of these countries might not even consider the need for panels on the chest. Just for an example. There are probably hundreds of culture issues that will need to be addressed. Indeed. In some places, particularly Europe, child nudity up to a certain age is completely acceptable in certain circumstances such as the beach etc. I'm thinking of some of the Scandanivian counties for exmaple. The majority of LL's stakeholders are based in the US though so you kind of have to tailor policies to their sensibilities, and as I mentioned in another thread (or perhaps it was this one I can't remember), there are lots of things RL kids and parents do together in RL that are totally normal and acceptable which wouldn't be appropriate for SL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingrid Ingersoll Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 (edited) On 5/8/2024 at 2:58 PM, Madi Melodious said: I was just approached with a question about it. What will be the Lab's policy on transgender issue and how the modesty patches are applied? I really doubt anyone claiming that their avi is gender neutral or trans is going to prevent a ban if they're not wearing an upper modesty patch if they look at all female BTW. I think LL will be keenly aware of "loopholes" around the TOS Edited May 30 by Ingrid Ingersoll 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingrid Ingersoll Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 2 hours ago, Madi Melodious said: This is something they will need to take into account. The culture of different countries around the world ... No they don't need to take that into account. They're a private company and are doing what they feel is best for their business and by extension the user base. I can't imagine any european refusing to play sl because child nudity is not allowed, unless child nudity is purely why they enjoy sl. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madi Melodious Posted May 30 Author Share Posted May 30 5 minutes ago, Ingrid Ingersoll said: No they don't need to take that into account. They're a private company and are doing what they feel is best for their business and by extension the user base. I can't imagine any european refusing to play sl because child nudity is not allowed, unless child nudity is purely why they enjoy sl. You should probably go back and read what I said again. Then come back and respond. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingrid Ingersoll Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 10 minutes ago, Madi Melodious said: You should probably go back and read what I said again. Then come back and respond. What am I missing? European or not, they need to agree to the TOS if they want to be in sl. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 The whole cultural thing is irrelevant or we women would all need to wear burkas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madi Melodious Posted May 30 Author Share Posted May 30 57 minutes ago, brodiac90 said: I'm not sure hiding the genatalia would be enough for LL. Who knows? Might be something worth clarifying. It was just announced that Rebirth would be separating the adult and child body into different products. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madi Melodious Posted May 30 Author Share Posted May 30 2 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said: The whole cultural thing is irrelevant or we women would all need to wear burkas. Oh, so close. Try again. 😎 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingrid Ingersoll Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 2 minutes ago, Madi Melodious said: It was just announced that Rebirth would be separating the adult and child body into different products. Good to see that the content creators are getting down to the business of helping residents become tos compliant. Unfortunately some residents will instead focus on loopholes and getting around the TOS. And the CEO knows this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madi Melodious Posted May 30 Author Share Posted May 30 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Ingrid Ingersoll said: Good to see that the content creators are getting down to the business of helping residents become tos compliant. Unfortunately some residents will instead focus on loopholes and getting around the TOS. And the CEO knows this. Of course they do. That is why they are so vague on how they plan to enforce these provisions. They want to allow wiggle room in the interpretation of these rules. They can reprimand minor infractions due to ignorance. While giving them more room to be heavy handed on people willfully be using loopholes. Which returns to my cultural awareness issue. When someone from a country logs on with a different culture and ignorance of the new rules. The Lab will need to correct the infraction with the understanding that they may not be aware they are doing anything wrong. Not to continue to allow the behavior but with the understanding that it might just be a simple mistake. Edited May 30 by Madi Melodious 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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