So they banned Gacha but...

[diamond Marchant]

2 hours ago, Persephone Emerald said:

7Seas Fishing had rare items that could be used to make other, more desirable items. These rare items can be sold on Marketplace, as can the finished items - boats and such. Competitions could also have cash ($L) prizes

To elaborate, 7Seas Fishing contests are not considered to be gambling because the contestants do not make bets. The contest pot is funded by the event host and/or donations by contestants. Bait expense is attributed to keeping that fishing service running and is not part of the contest.

[Persephone Emerald]

24 minutes ago, diamond Marchant said:

To elaborate, 7Seas Fishing contests are not considered to be gambling because the contestants do not make bets. The contest pot is funded by the event host and/or donations by contestants. Bait expense is attributed to keeping that fishing service running and is not part of the contest.

No, contests were not gambling. It wouldn't cost anything to play. Even if there was a gatcha-like element, once you bought a fishing rod, you could play without bait if you wanted and everyone got something, even if it were just attachable pet fish.

Edited May 10, 2023 by Persephone Emerald

[Coffee Pancake]

I've some pretend gambling that beats the new Linden offering.

 

You can pretend to gamble AND pretend to be 30 years younger at the same time.

 

https://archive.org/details/msdos_Casino_Challenge_1993

[diamond Marchant]

Still on the gatcha topic...

For me, it seems ironic that when gatcha got banned in Second Life, the thing that replaced it at The Arcade turned out to be less work and more pleasurable (more gambley) than banned gatcha. Let me explain.

With gatcha, when I wanted a particular item, I would simply pay the machine until I got my item, then sell the items I did not want, which was work. I got minimal dopamine hit because it was all very transactional.

With the current machines, I send in my alt army for as many days as it takes and eventually one of them gets the desired item, which they transfer to diamond. No reselling (the work part) and there is always the pleasurable dopamine hit that comes with anticipation.

Unintended consequences?

(Steer clear of me at Halloween cause I haz all the curses in my witchy wand.)

[Scylla Rhiadra]

12 hours ago, Persephone Emerald said:

Maybe we should all go do that? Protesting inworld to the powers that be might be more effective than complaining on the SL forum.

I dropped by tonight. There were more protesters there than actual patrons.

[Scylla Rhiadra]

5 hours ago, Skyler Pancake said:

Linden Lab is definitely NOT targeting addicts.

Nope.

Not at all.

Okay, maybe I'll just make one more post...

There is also this, which is an interesting "tell" (so to speak).

I mean . . . good for them? Sort of? But it certainly does make it clear that LL understands the implications of what they're doing.

[Love Zhaoying]

2 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

There is also this, which is an interesting "tell" (so to speak).

I mean . . . good for them? Sort of? But it certainly does make it clear that LL understands the implications of what they're doing.

Not sure if anyone else suggested this yet, but one way to handle it is to limit how much L$ a given user could spend in a day / time period.

And in some RL casinos, they simulate "riverboats" (which may not even leave the dock), where you are "trapped" for a few hours at a time. Because you can't just leave real (and some fake) boats. 

[Love Zhaoying]

I assume Anubis is the bartender because "Helios" has ancient origins.

Note: Anubis is a "dog", not a "horse".

[Scylla Rhiadra]

Just now, Love Zhaoying said:

Not sure if anyone else suggested this yet, but one way to handle it is to limit how much L$ a given user could spend in a day / time period.

It's not a bad idea, certainly, but L$9999 for the largest stack of chips is already a pretty sizable investment.

You can't spend less than L$799 for supplemental chips, which suggests to me that, far from being interested in restricting how much is spent, LL is rather encouraging patrons to drop pretty large sums -- the small daily allowance of free chips notwithstanding.

[Sid Nagy]

The longer I think about it the more convinced I get, that the Lab is trying to enter a new market outside of SL, but by using the SL engine in their new product.

I think that LL is trying to sell virtual casino's based on the SL engine to real casinos who might want this kind of representation through their own websites.
Let's face it, SL is very immersive. That is a strong argument for casino owners.
Tilia would possibly benefit from it too.

IMHO we are now looking at a showcase for the casinos / a beta test of the possibilities, without prices of course to stay within the law.

 

Edited May 10, 2023 by Sid Nagy
Spelling, spelling, spelling..... it must be an English text.

[Love Zhaoying]

4 hours ago, Sid Nagy said:

The longer I think about it the more convinced I get, that the Lab is trying to enter a new market outside of SL, but by using the SL engine in their new product.

I think that LL is trying to sell virtual casino's based on the SL engine to real casinos who might want this kind of representation through their own websites.
Let's face it, SL is very immersive. That is a strong argument for casino owners.
Tilia would possibly benefit from it too.

IMHO we are now looking at a showcase for the casinos / a beta test of the possibilities, without prices of course to stay within the law.

 

Great minds think alike! I just posted this in the "other thread":

 

[Love Zhaoying]

5 hours ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

There is also this, which is an interesting "tell" (so to speak).

Speaking of "tells", do they have "Poker"?  Blackjack? (Card games with betting are the most usual context of the word "tell" in gambling, I'm sure you know that.)

I only saw machines in posts so far, and did not go yet. (Plus saw that someone said they should have Roulette, but don't.)

ATA: "I'd tell ya, but then I'd have to ____."

[Rat Luv]

4 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Speaking of "tells", do they have "Poker"? 

I would much prefer this to machines! I only ever played poker with other people once on SL, but it was fun. Also your avatar doesn't really give away any 'tells' so it's easier to bluff  

I think there may be something in what you and Sid are saying...🤔

Edited May 10, 2023 by Rat Luv

[Love Zhaoying]

2 minutes ago, Rat Luv said:

I think there may be something in what you and Sid are saying...🤔

I may be a broken clock, even an old VCR flashing "12:00" is right twice a day!

[Coffee Pancake]

4 hours ago, Sid Nagy said:

The longer I think about it the more convinced I get, that the Lab is trying to enter a new market outside of SL, but by using the SL engine in their new product.

I would have been cheaper and faster to just make this in an app .. no one starting a new venture builds content in SL when there is a single other better suited option that doesn't *need* to be in SL.

This is LL trying to make destinations for the new user experience they control that don't entirely compete with their customers.

It's just stone cold out of touch, problematic and .. well .. thirsty is all.

The allure of "gambling" without the gambling .. just the addiction and the loss, which is a little bit too late stage capitalism.

The look of "gambling" without ever understanding what we actually did back when social gambling was allowed.

 

Did someone really just put that on a list of bullet points and decide that some vegas analog was what worked in SL?! Ohhh yes, lets add blackjack and slots ... FFS.

 

We solved all of these problems well over a decade ago. We made a thriving social scene with "gambling" and "gaming". Casinos failed, miserably. Just like "skill gaming" failed, miserably. Just like this is dead on arrival.

Plenty of us from back then are still active, we can explain, IN DETAIL, what worked, what didn't and why.

The social scene was diverse and complex with many points that created a vibrant weekly ebbe and flow. That was the draw, the "gaming" was just something to do together.

Edited May 10, 2023 by Coffee Pancake

[Love Zhaoying]

3 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

It's just stone cold out of touch, problematic and .. well .. thirsty is all.

..is new kind of "Thirst Trap"!

[diamond Marchant]

9 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

I may be a broken clock, even an old VCR flashing "12:00" is right twice a day!

Of course, this idiom means that one occasionally gets a right answer accidentally, but I find it odd, because you would need another  correctly functioning clock to tell you when the broken clock is right. 

[Love Zhaoying]

25 minutes ago, diamond Marchant said:

Of course, this idiom means that one occasionally gets a right answer accidentally, but I find it odd, because you would need another  correctly functioning clock to tell you when the broken clock is right. 

I guess in terms of the "actual meaning" of the idiom: "someone who gives a lot of wrong answers is occasionally correct", yes. There would need to be someone to judge "is the answer correct?".

The "normal" idiom is for a non-digital clock or watch with "hands", but this being the 21st Century I updated it with the VCR flashing "12:00". A "mixed-metaphor" version of the old idiom.

A similar idiom is, "It's 5:00 somewhere" (used as an excuse for drinking) - which is patently false. It is NOT "exactly" 5:00 somewhere! (On the other hand, it is definitely "past 5:00" somewhere.)

The idiom does work great for "gambling" though, for instance with dice: eventually you will get a specific combination if you roll the dice enough times.

[Scylla Rhiadra]

55 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Speaking of "tells", do they have "Poker"?  Blackjack? (Card games with betting are the most usual context of the word "tell" in gambling, I'm sure you know that.)

I only saw machines in posts so far, and did not go yet. (Plus saw that someone said they should have Roulette, but don't.)

ATA: "I'd tell ya, but then I'd have to ____."

Well, they have Blackjack anyway: I sat and watched a couple of residents play (and lose) at it last night.

[Scylla Rhiadra]

LL is apparently handing out suspensions for violations of the ToS to at least some of those protesting at the casino, including someone who has posted in this thread.

[Scylla Rhiadra]

These threads shut down in 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . .

[Sid Nagy]

4 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

LL is apparently handing out suspensions for violations of the ToS to at least some of those protesting at the casino, including someone who has posted in this thread.

Don't color me surprised.
I still think this is made to lure in real casino's as customers for a SL-like environment for gambling.
They can't have protesters around. They want people playing there even without something to win.

What they overlooked: People that were in SL for the gambling have left long time ago when the ban on casino's came for legal reasons. And another batch left when the gacha machines got their fair share.

[Sid Nagy]

4 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

These threads shut down in 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . .

There is always room to discuss on that other site that is up and running again. Where moderation is very laid back.
But which name I can't name without getting something too. V........ . one
 

[Incognita Clarity]

Yeah, the silence from the Lindens and the Moles on this thread says more about them then they probably intended.

[EliseAnne85]

11 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

LL is apparently handing out suspensions for violations of the ToS to at least some of those protesting at the casino, including someone who has posted in this thread.

I did not know protesting was against the TOS, especially since protesting around Casinos happens in rl too.

Nevertheless, I am sorry to hear that as I think all role play there should be acceptable including beggars AND protestors.   But, it's their land, so they decide what is acceptable.  

Still, sorry to hear that.