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25 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

How is this not building a secondary currency in SL ??

Can I start an "investment" token, where people buy "tokens" and then store them in my "bank" with an "exchange rate" for L$ based on "market" conditions ?

Maybe it's similar to whatever "tokens" you get for playing the "Linden Realms" games?

*Edit* ..which are "gems", literally like many "App" games..!

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30 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Maybe it's similar to whatever "tokens" you get for playing the "Linden Realms" games?

*Edit* ..which are "gems", literally like many "App" games..!

But the tokens at this casino can't be turned into Ls.  They can't be turned into anything.  They are a purchase of tokens from LL so basically a LL product with no use other than 'gambling' RP.  

It's a very sneaky way to go about getting people to spend Ls on an LL product.

Bad move, @Linden Lab

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13 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

But the tokens at this casino can't be turned into Ls.  They can't be turned into anything.  They are a purchase of tokens from LL so basically a LL product with no use other than 'gambling' RP.  

It's a very sneaky way to go about getting people to spend Ls on an LL product.

Bad move, @Linden Lab

Wait..no matter how many tokens you buy or win, you can't go spend them on anything outside the casino? Sorry, I missed that.  (Fast lion speedreads..thread zooms by, byebye)

I guess they have "no value" then, except what you paid for them (BEFORE you bought them).

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10 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

 They are a purchase of tokens from LL so basically a LL product with no use other than 'gambling' RP.  

with the exact same result as no RP gambling ... the money in the wallet of the provider of the tokens.

a max of real $ 44 ( incl fees) at a time ... ridiculous... in rp it should be not more as 1L$ to 10 L$ .. and even in that case it's still about money.

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Another thing I missed:

You can at least "buy tokens" with your existing L$ balance..and don't have to to "buy tokens" at the "ATM" by spending more "real money" to buy the "tokens".

It is getting confusing.

1. Spend USD to buy L$ (a token)

2. Use L$ to buy Casino Tokens (Like RL casino "chips" - another token! You just can't cash them in..)

Did I get that right, or am I still cornfuzed?

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This is, arguably, not gambling. Yes, there's money involved, and yes, there's the element of chance. But what is NOT present is the chance of monetary gain.  It's impossible to win.  You are simply buying the right to play. The most anyone can "win" is to remain in play longer before their money runs out.

And this is why it is both immoral and doomed to fail.

Immoral because it's pandering to those with a gambling addiction.  Doomed to fail because it's such a blatantly obvious attempt to take the Residents to the cleaners.

See here, LL: In any transaction, there is something given in return for something received. What you are doing here is offering nothing for something, and that's not a transaction, it's theft.

Don't you dare come back and tell me that what you get in return for your $L is "entertainment". Certainly there is some element of social interaction and entertainment with the process of gambling, but that's not why people gamble. They gamble because there's a chance to win. And there are endless other forms of social interaction and entertainment in SL, ones that don't involve paying the platform provider additional money.

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23 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

 

Accidentally quoting and not knowing how to remove a quote on mobile 😂

 

The thing I found especially weird is I haven't seen any positive feedback after they posted this on Twitter (they probably know why they haven't posted this on their blog so far ;) ) and I can not imagine that every Linden and Mole they asked was like "weeeee awesome idea"

Is there no one with common sense at LL that was like "we really shouldn't do this guys!" ?!

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1 minute ago, Rowan Amore said:

Maybe @Patch Lindenwould like to weigh in on this less-than-stellar idea?   

At least with Gaming Regions there's the possibility of winning something of value.   This just seems predatory, IMO.

They probably still are in the fire-out-putting wtf-have-we-done state. After seeing the "happy" tweet answers from their residents.

At least I hope they are, but maybe they just don't care at all, and it's just wishful thinking that they actually do care.

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2 hours ago, Coffee Pancake said:

 

How is this not building a secondary currency in SL ??

Can I start an "investment" token, where people buy "tokens" and then store them in my "bank" with an "exchange rate" for L$ based on "market" conditions ?

Forget "market conditions", sell 'em for whatever you want, Sista!  We have entered the age of Wheeeeeeeeeeeee!  

Or else we have entered the Age of Aquarius and this is the Fifth Dimension.  

 

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This isn't surprising.

LL actively promoted NFTs with their collab with Zenescope.

This is yet another half-implemented cash grab with little to no incentive to participate and/or to keep coming back.

Why only two game types?

Why no all-time, monthly, weekly leader boards?

Why no non-L$ prizes for being in the top # scorers per week/month?

That would instill some form of competition/interest to keep people coming back.

Also, why is the experience used a grid scope one? The HUD stays attached when you leave...

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1 hour ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Anyone agree / disagree with my assertions that this is all to try and attract "Mobile" users once Mobile SL is "ready'?

 

No, I don't think Mobile was even a thought as the commerce/interface means does not cater to Mobile in the slightest.

When you start seeing media-only HUD overlay interaction/interface means with SL "locations", then you might see an attempt to cater to Mobile.

It would really take scriptable UI for applications to cater to Mobile, IMO.

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Additional thoughts to the gambling "Tokens":

- Assuming they are not "transferrable": you cannot sell or give Tokens to someone else.

- Assuming you cannot "buy/gift Tokens for a friend".  (Of course, you could give your friend L$ and they could buy their own.)

 

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5 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Anyone agree / disagree with my assertions that this is all to try and attract "Mobile" users once Mobile SL is "ready'?

I would disagree only because we don't know how far out mobile is in development and I don't see LL creating features in SL in advance for mobile. 

Perhaps what might happen in this 'casino' from LL is that a resident will offer to be the 'shadow house' and take real lindens  from players while also giving out real lindens who might win in the 'casino'. All arranged in private IMs of course. It would require a high level of trust in the 'shadow house' person but people might want that real payout bad enough. 

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12 minutes ago, Lucia Nightfire said:

 

Also, why is the experience used a grid scope one? The HUD stays attached when you leave...

Innn...te...rhezzzzzz...dingggg...

That gives it potential to be used in more places than just this casino.

It also gives it the potential for non-Linden entities to hook into it. 

I've been thinking about a non-transferrable/redeemable credit system that would reward activity in Second Life. This could be used for something similar. They might be also thinking of setting up something like a certain SL serial entrepreneur's systems where land/venue owners buy credits from a central bank so they can use them to reward visitors. However, for something like that to work:

YOU CAN'T MAKE IT EASY FOR SOMEONE TO JUST BUY THE CREDITS INSTEAD OF EARNING THEM.

 

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55 minutes ago, Lucia Nightfire said:

Also, why is the experience used a grid scope one? The HUD stays attached when you leave...

I've visited the casino a few times and my HUD has vanished each time I've left the region.  Are you sure that it wasn't simply a case of the HUD failing to detach when it's supposed to, which I know temp-attached HUDs in other grid-wide experiences sometimes do.    

Perhaps the reason for making the experience grid-wide is simply so that visitors aren't, when they first arrive, confronted with  a big scary menu asking them to grant experience permissions.

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1 hour ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Anyone agree / disagree with my assertions that this is all to try and attract "Mobile" users once Mobile SL is "ready'?

 

I don't doubt there will be a token system for mobile use, so this could be a way to slowly ease residents into becoming familiar with them while also building the foundations for a new currency that creators can use, a new way of paying creators, etc.  Laying the foundations for this would not happen overnight, so it would make sense to me.  Perhaps at some point the tokens can be used to purchase exclusively by SL products and services, and this is just LL starting to establish a new form of currency that will be more predominate in the app.  If it is, I would expect at some point that premium members get a certain amount of tokens per month, eventually watching ads can earn you free tokens, logging in daily gives you tokens, and so on.  

One thing that is for certain, SL will be competing with Avakin Life, and seeing that AL provides permanent homes without monthly fees, there will probably be a lot of shifts in how SL operates and I would not doubt to see the same same methodology to make money in mobile SL.  I imagine tokens will be used to purchase those homes, avatars, outfits, furniture, and so on.  People would have to be naive to believe it wouldn't have some sort of currency that did not involve the same sort of gambling spinners, daily log ins, ad watching, and memberships that one currently earns with apps.  

 

 

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Possibly, every time you "pull that lever" in the Official Gaming region, somewhere the new LSL crypto functions are being used for mining cryptocurrency!!

* shifts his attractive tinfoil hat *

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3 minutes ago, diamond Marchant said:

why the second thread? Here is the first one

 

Did not notice that one. Will check it out and let you know. 

FYI, if a thread is "missed" people naturally create one if they don't know about it. Because they missed it. Which is easy to do.  Not everyone reads the entire Forum.

*Edit* Ok, I'm back. Yes, I remember that thread too - it only got 10 posts.  And, it is actually only 1 hour older than this thread. So, there is really no difference. This thread just got more responses. 

That's "why"!

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26 minutes ago, Istelathis said:

I don't doubt there will be a token system for mobile use, so this could be a way to slowly ease residents into becoming familiar with them while also building the foundations for a new currency that creators can use, a new way of paying creators, etc. 

So, the linden is or would be used as a sort of intermediary "token" to buy tokens that are for mobile?

Can you explain further to some of us dummies or naïve people who don't know about Avakin Life or how other mobile games with tokens work.

Why use lindens to buy tokens in a Casino?  I don't understand.  Unless, the linden becomes an intermediary token.

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