Gwin LeShelle Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 (edited) Not ONE positive reaction to this in the comments. Understandably. You have free daily tokens, after that 4999L for 10k tokens. To win NOTHING. Because that way it's not gambling? With all my love for you Linden guys I wonder...: Are you drunk LL? Edited May 9 by Gwin LeShelle 4 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwin LeShelle Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 I also wonder...don't you guys have some public relations person that would be like "I don't think this will fly with the residents?" Or "You know this is a really bad idea guys!" I really hope this one explodes in your faces. This is even worse than Gacha ever was. And I don't care how fast this one gets closed. You guys need to fix that and the only fix is to close it or make the tokens completely free, ASAP. This is addiction enabling on the highest level. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwin Alcott Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 this is ABSURD in caps 8 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwin LeShelle Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Alwin Alcott said: this is ABSURD in caps Yep. I mean it would have been absurd even with the tokens being completely free after their gambling gacha crackdown, but this is really beyond absurd XD And since you can't win it's a guaranteed loss for you. Which some people won't understand or won't care because addictive. Edited May 9 by Gwin LeShelle 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinos Field Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 (edited) The gacha ban isn't about ethics, it's about following the letter of the law. Gambling in spirit is very much alive on SL, but that particular form of gambling happened to run afoul of some law so they had to remove it. Note that gachas still exist, too, just rebranded to use a loophole where if you can see the next prize, it doesn't count as gambling - even if the idea is obviously that nobody wants that prize and actually pays for a new random one in queue. There are also a lot of literal casinos on SL where you do play for money, and these avoid violating the gambling laws by introducing any, no matter how insignificant, "skill" element that influences the outcome by a specific, microscopic amount. It's the same with this. In the ethical/"spirit" sense it's obviously gambling, but because prizes can't be exchanged for money, it doesn't violate that law. Maybe that helps clarify why they'd launch it. Edited May 9 by Cinos Field 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwin LeShelle Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, Cinos Field said: The gacha ban isn't about ethics, it's about following the letter of the law. Gambling in spirit is very much alive on SL, but that particular form of gambling happened to run afoul of some law so they had to remove it. Note that gachas still exist, too, just rebranded to use a loophole where if you can see the next prize, it doesn't count as gambling - even if the idea is obviously that nobody wants that prize and actually pays for a new random one in queue. There are also a lot of literal casinos on SL where you do play for money, and these avoid violating the gambling laws by introducing any, no matter how insignificant, "skill" element that influences the outcome by a specific, microscopic amount. It's the same with this. In the ethical/"spirit" sense it's obviously gambling, but because prizes can't be exchanged for money, it doesn't violate that law. Maybe that helps clarify why they'd launch it. I'm not stupid. But LL had a hard time telling their residents about the Gacha thing. And now promote such a thing, it's a difference to have such things on the grid (because sure do it when the law allows it I'm all for it) to PROMOTING them actively... something LL doesn't do often anyways. So the decision to actively promote this one is rather ... Unclever. And highly unethical...it's only to prye on the ones having problems with addiction because no sane person drops 5k plus on something that is set to lose anyways. Any person with no addiction problem uses their free tokens daily and walks away...the people that should have been protected buy this law, will sit there and by 5k and 10k tokens packages anyway. And thats the point that disappointed me beyond words. It's one thing what loopholes residents use, but it's another when LL uses and abuses those on such a level. Edited May 9 by Gwin LeShelle Correcting. Sorry English not my 1st language. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 This is so very confusing! Why would LL promote gambling, say there are "free tokens", but also sell tokens? It certainly doesn't look good. Plus, it seems obvious (to dumb lion) that they are competing with Skill Gaming Regions. What next, Official Second Life "Love Hotels", "Escort Agents", and AFK Clubs? Wheeee! 4 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 In retrospect, I think LL is setting up competition with all the "Apps" used for this, in preparation for Mobile SL. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwin LeShelle Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 3 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said: This is so very confusing! Why would LL promote gambling, say there are "free tokens", but also sell tokens? It certainly doesn't look good. Plus, it seems obvious (to dumb lion) that they are competing with Skill Gaming Regions. What next, Official Second Life "Love Hotels", "Escort Agents", and AFK Clubs? Wheeee! Since the Casino Linden is named SocialCasino Linden, I expect to see some Sugardaddy Linden or Pimp Linden. Nah for real this one looks bad and is bad. With all free tokens? Sure why not some kind of ...Casino RP? Where people can meet and chat and play games together. But that way? Nope, thank you. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 6 minutes ago, Gwin LeShelle said: Since the Casino Linden is named SocialCasino Linden, I expect to see some Sugardaddy Linden or Pimp Linden. Nah for real this one looks bad and is bad. With all free tokens? Sure why not some kind of ...Casino RP? Where people can meet and chat and play games together. But that way? Nope, thank you. The casino needs a "members rewards club" (free stuff / tokens if you spend), and someone handing out free drinks, so long as you're playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Hexem Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 This isn't going to end well. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardy Lay Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 1 minute ago, Paul Hexem said: This isn't going to end well. When will it end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 1 minute ago, Paul Hexem said: This isn't going to end well. If they allowed escorts, dancing for tips, etc., there'd be a happy ending. 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colleen Criss Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 No one has to play. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 I hope they at least have clickable 'Gambling Anonymous' posters around the casino. And hot croupiers. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwin LeShelle Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 4 minutes ago, colleen Criss said: No one has to play. You know how addiction works right? Sure you and me don't have to play, but I saw first hand with a friend's father when we were young what a gambling addiction does. It's not cute. And when this up there is allowed within the American anti gambling law than they might want to overthink that one. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwin LeShelle Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 (edited) And beside everything else just to make it clear I would have been all for it when there wouldn't have been a daily free fix and then pay. If it would be all free so like a new version of a social island kinda thing. Yay. ( Still not my kind of fun but I bet others love it) But the moment they charge those ridiculous amounts of money for worthless tokens, just so they can pretend it's no gambling they lost all my respect. Especially when you look at many countries having problems with inflation atm, although I am lucky that me and my husband have well paid jobs I don't forget that not everyone is that lucky. It's just ethically questionable to do this the way they did. But I'm not here to convince anyone I stated my point more than clear I think, and that's it. We can happily agree to disagree on this one ❤️ Edited May 9 by Gwin LeShelle 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 11 minutes ago, Gwin LeShelle said: And when this up there is allowed within the American anti gambling law than they might want to overthink that one. You'd think any such law would apply to the heavily advertised 'gambling apps' the same as they would be applied to Second Life. I am referring to 'apps' that I saw advertised over and over and over on TikTok until I figured out how to block the app. (Not sure I saw the same app advertised on FB.) "You are guarateed to win a trillion tokens within your first 3 seconds!", with RL people in the ads complaining about their old gambling apps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwin LeShelle Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 2 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said: You'd think any such law would apply to the heavily advertised 'gambling apps' the same as they would be applied to Second Life. I am referring to 'apps' that I saw advertised over and over and over on TikTok until I figured out how to block the app. (Not sure I saw the same app advertised on FB.) "You are guarateed to win a trillion tokens within your first 3 seconds!", with RL people in the ads complaining about their old gambling apps. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeljane42 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 28 minutes ago, Gwin LeShelle said: But LL had a hard time telling their residents about the Gacha thing. Only because they knew there are plenty of people who actually love gachas and didn't care about the whole "it's because of the laws and not out fault" kind of reason. They'd keep them in the previous form if they could as the new "miepon" replacement is nowhere as popular. Even if one gacha focused event just can't let it die and instead of closing like the other one now has double amount of events per year (8 instead of 4). That said, this new casino thing is atrocious. One thing is when people/users try to find workarounds, they always do and always will. But since it's LL and they even promote it via their official channels... Meh. I'm all for LL finding ways to make some extra money so SL would be around for a while longer and so they'd slice down another few $ from the region's tier, and hopefully without taxing merchants/users with extra purchase/cash-out fees. But this is not the way. Mobile viewer, visual upgrades, better starting avatars/experience are all decent ways to get new users and keep them around for more than a single login, so eventually some of them would "invest" into getting L$, land and so on, all of which would make LL money on the long run. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 Idea: Since it's LL, they should offer "REAL" Second Life "prizes" such as: - Land / parcel - Free Premium for X amount of time - Marketplace "Credits" (like "store credits" for some merchants, but only spendable in the MP) ..GENIUS! <== Is not joke, my idea is teh smart. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwin LeShelle Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 (edited) 24 minutes ago, steeljane42 said: Only because they knew there are plenty of people who actually love gachas and didn't care about the whole "it's because of the laws and not out fault" kind of reason. They'd keep them in the previous form if they could as the new "miepon" replacement is nowhere as popular. Even if one gacha focused event just can't let it die and instead of closing like the other one now has double amount of events per year (8 instead of 4). That said, this new casino thing is atrocious. One thing is when people/users try to find workarounds, they always do and always will. But since it's LL and they even promote it via their official channels... Meh. I'm all for LL finding ways to make some extra money so SL would be around for a while longer and so they'd slice down another few $ from the region's tier, and hopefully without taxing merchants/users with extra purchase/cash-out fees. But this is not the way. Mobile viewer, visual upgrades, better starting avatars/experience are all decent ways to get new users and keep them around for more than a single login, so eventually some of them would "invest" into getting L$, land and so on, all of which would make LL money on the long run. Fully agreed. I am all for them making money too, hence why I am Premium plus XD I want them to stay around as long as possible too. I loudly supported even their fee increases because a Linden needs food in RL too. And as I said I wouldn't even be angry if this was some residents doing this I am upset it's LL themselves x3 Edited May 9 by Gwin LeShelle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Salyx Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 Has a very Dave and Buster's vibe to it. I need to ponder that some. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 3 minutes ago, Anna Salyx said: Has a very Dave and Buster's vibe to it. I need to ponder that some. Oooh! If they also (like D&B) had non-gambling pinball and video games etc. (non-copyright infringing, of course) - then it would help cover the stench of the gambling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Pancake Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 How is this not building a secondary currency in SL ?? Can I start an "investment" token, where people buy "tokens" and then store them in my "bank" with an "exchange rate" for L$ based on "market" conditions ? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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