50 Page Max on search results + Page 1 search returns

[Kyrie Deka]

Blog update: We have removed the 50-page cap on search results. Our statistics showed that few people look at higher-numbered pages. In addition, page load time is increased by loading more result pages into memory. But you have spoken, and we’re removing the cap.

We have removed, past tense, so I presumed it was already a thing.

But I am still getting 50 pages max. 

I am not sure how I feel about yes/no the max on search results pages, except that I know there are other issues I wish were farther up the priority list to work through than this.  

If it helps I searched just now/typed in

Physique Dress

then separately

Hourglass top

and both showed exactly a 50 page return max with a dead end on page 50.

EDIT: Selected dropdowns:  All categories, and Maturity Levels General, Moderate only.

Edited March 9, 2023 by Kyrie Deka
Search specifics used, title

[Love Zhaoying]

Yeah, the blog update makes it sound like "we HAVE" done these things, but it seems hard to guess if they mean "we're going to fix it real soon now". See below where I copied the text, it seems clear to me they mean "soon".

Note at the very top of the article it says:

In the coming days we will be changing the following:

• A bug where featured listings are not being updated properly.
• We have removed the 50-page cap on search results. Our statistics showed that few people look at higher-numbered pages. In addition, page load time is increased by loading more result pages into memory. But you have spoken, and we’re removing the cap.
• A search string such as “blue shirt” will return results that contain both the term “blue” and “shirt” instead of including results that contain “blue” or “shirt.” This behavior is changed if you use advanced features such as quotes, boolean operators (AND, OR, NOT), or asterisks. Make sure to check the tooltip next to the search field for help with boolean operators.

 

So I think they are listing the fixes in the "past tense", but they have not actually implemented the changes yet..it will be done "in the coming days".

Edited March 9, 2023 by Love Zhaoying

[Kyrie Deka]

And I noticed that changing from Relevance to Best Selling, with pages set to return 96 items...

Results on the page show all but one item are over L$1k ?

That isn't really what we want newer first-time-shoppers seeing they must have to buy clothes at MP?  First impression is that they need that much to spend on average?  

 

How are we determining from entering 

Hourglass top

then changing to Best Selling

what is on page one of the 96 returns?

 

Not saying those aren't lovely things, all gah-jus really.  When I'm in the mood, I spend that.  But not my first outing in search.

 

So on search returns page one, are we pulling from a table with "top ten sellers overall" and then weighing heavier all of their items?  That may make sense given the returns, but if so, isn't that "Best Selling Sellers", where "Best Selling" infers items not sellers?   A bit misleading if so.  Those prices are well deserved, but absolutely not the median price for a well-made outfit with hud on MP.

If I were a semi-new shopper/user and the first thing I see on that is wayyyyy out of my early-purchases budget, I'd forget about MP all together for a long while.  Again beautiful stuff, worth the price, but where are ****any**** of the L$299 mid to L$399 higher great sellers out there on page 1 search returns?  

[Flea Yatsenko]

LL just use /index/type/_search?scroll=X and /_search/scroll. Please it's not that difficult to implement. You can show all the pages you want if you use the scroll feature of elasticsearch.

[Kyrie Deka]

Hmmm

Trying the quotes today, same example, I type with quotes:

"Hourglass top"        > Search

and *then* select yes-C M T and Exclude Demos            > Search

It returns (a total of) 20 items only.  Which of course that makes me smile.  I can think of one seller alone... 

 

I type in without quotes:

Hourglass top         > Search

and *then* select yes-C M T and Exclude Demos             > Search

It returns 104 pages now, and I am set at 96 ads per page.  Yah the 50 page max in this case appears removed.

But I only found that many ads by searching without quotes

 

I would like to believe someone reconsidered the use of quotes by shoppers. 

 

So with quotes is only finding a very very very very select few where at first skim of the 20 found I don't see why it did find those (and not the thousands of others)... 

 

ADDING:

I then go to the first seller's shop that comes to mind that I know has likely thousands of "Hourglass tops" FP and:

searching without quotes: hourglass top + yes CMT + no demos, finds 31 pages. = this is what the with quotes/all categories same-search criteria missed? Skimming this sellers page 1 returns, who I regularly purchase from, I believe most or all perhaps of the found ads 96 a page x 31 pages sell hourglass tops.

searching with quotes: "hourglass top" + yes CMS + no demos, finds 2. Not 2 pages. 2 items.  = again, why is with quotes finding almost nothing?

 

I just keep coming back to the same thing, and there must be a reason, but why is this not being worked through in a testing environment?  And using a subset of well-written text-laden longtime seller ads with [corrected keywords used]. 

 

I mean we can second guess all kinds of stuff, but even best case hit-or-miss testing in a live environment will always be impacted by the many (bears repeating many) ads existing on MP that have keywords that are just blindly used in all ads regardless of item, and those will return stuff that "looks wrong" when testing, and the easy guess is to say "search" is hosed, when instead it is keywords entered wrong in ads.  

As long as no clean-up has been done on ads with bad keywords, I ask myself how in the world would a project team test properly, thoroughly, efficiently an updated search set-up, when the ads are so broken.  I feel for whatever team is working on fixing it in live.  This way testing seems like spittin in the wind.   

Edited March 10, 2023 by Kyrie Deka
Clarify/compare search on All Categories, to a seller shop page.

[Wulfie Reanimator]

4 hours ago, Kyrie Deka said:

searching with quotes: "hourglass top" + yes CMS + no demos, finds 2. Not 2 pages. 2 items.  = again, why is with quotes finding almost nothing?

Because when you search something by quotes, you will only get products with that exact sequence of words.

"hourglass top" is not the same as "top hourglass" or "hourglass blue top"

[Rowan Amore]

1 hour ago, Wulfie Reanimator said:

Because when you search something by quotes, you will only get products with that exact sequence of words.

"hourglass top" is not the same as "top hourglass" or "hourglass blue top"

Personally, I'd search Top for Hourglass CMT no demo and got this...

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/products/search?utf8=✓&search[layout]=gallery&search[category_id]=&search[sort]=&search[per_page]=96&search[keywords]=Top+for+hourglass&search[price_low]=&search[price_high]=&search[land_impact_low]=&search[land_impact_high]=&search[copy_permission]=0&search[copy_permission]=1&search[modify_permission]=0&search[modify_permission]=1&search[transfer_permission]=0&search[transfer_permission]=1&search[limited_quantities]=0&search[is_demo]=0&search[is_demo]=1

[Kyrie Deka]

2 hours ago, Wulfie Reanimator said:

when you search something by quotes, you will only get products with that exact sequence of words.

I am having RL cake, funfetti, sooooooo good.  Glad I didn't have to shop for stuff on MP to make it.

Whatever the disconnect, has this issue really lasted all week, is it really Friday?  

Spenders should not have to work that hard to hand their Lindens over.