Re-Order BOM Tattoos?

[Lethra]

I have a BOM-compatible head (Catwa HDPRO Queen) and a BOM-compatible body (Maitreya). BOM is activated on both, and working fine except for this issue. I am not wearing any applier layers.

I recently bought a new skin (head and body; different brand from my old skin), and using Firestorm, I replaced all of my old skin's inventory links with my new skin--both head and body. I'm vain, impulsive, and fickle, so I decided a few days later that I liked my old skin better. Again using Firestorm, I replaced all the new skin's links back to the old one--head and body. (Apparently the SL viewer does not have a "Replace Links" function? It's been so long since I've used it, I have no idea.)

Anyway, ever since I put the old skin back, my eyebrows have disappeared on most of my outfits, because the head skin is showing up higher in the stack of tattoos than the eyebrows. The eyebrows are also a BOM tattoo. Depending on where the head skin is, it may also block lipstick, hairbase, etc. I know this is fixable; all I have to do is go to Edit Outfit and re-order the tattoos, but it appears I have to do this manually for each outfit that I have not worn since this whole New Skin Fiasco. (We're talking ~700 outfits that need to be fixed.) Is there a way to automate this? Or in some way make it less of a massive pain in the butt?

[Ceka Cianci]

You could put a new link of different eye brows in, then do the same thing you did with the old skin and put the old links of the eyebrows back in and they should do the same thing and sit above the skin since they will be the newest link.

[Jennifer Boyle]

You can reorder tattoo layers in the edit avatar appearance window.

[Xeriko Melnik]

From their message, they know how to update links and reorder layers. They just want to know if there's a way to update approx. 700 outfits quickly.

Me: 700 outfits?!?!?! Why? 😮

[Ceka Cianci]

54 minutes ago, Xeriko Melnik said:

From their message, they know how to update links and reorder layers. They just want to know if there's a way to update approx. 700 outfits quickly.

Me: 700 outfits?!?!?! Why? 😮

That's how you do it.  They do the same thing that they did with the skin and all those folders..  If it is brows they want  to fix in 700 folders, they make a new link of a different brow,  then make a new link again of the brow they are wanting  to actually keep.

Since it's the newest entry it will sit above the skin.. then rinse and repeat for anything else sitting under the skin that is being hidden because of the order it's sitting.

 

But ya, i agree, that's a lot of folders.. hehehe

[Egon Rothschild]

I now this thread is old but it's just the problem I'm having. I have two arm tattoo layers, let's call them ARMS & STARS. STARS doesn't show unless I detach ARMS.

When I do EDIT | OUTFIT, the topmost layer is the ARMS layer and STARS is farther down (so I assume they load lowest on the list and upward). When I try to move STARS to a position farther to the top over ARMS, nothing happens. Same when I try to move ARMS to a position lower than STARS.

What am I missing?

I've attached a screen shot of the editing window.

Thanks in advance,

Egon

 

[Nalates Urriah]

people are talking about issues with where in the Outfit list something appears without consideration of where in the render sequence it appears. When sorting out render issues, its about where things are attached, system layers, and transparency.

In Firestorm you can see both outfit order and attachment order. For render order look in the Inventory Panel, select an item (if you are wearing it - you will need to detach it. - Remember where it was attached.), select Attach To... a list will appear. In it Chest (1) and Skull (2)  appear along with 30+ other attachment points numbered in order of render sequence. So whatever is attached to chest renders first before the whatever is attached to skull and so on. This was implemented to make it easier to deal with transparency issues. Whatever is under a transparent layer has to render BEFORE the transparency.

With head skin and eyebrows usually appear on the same mesh attachment. So we look to make sure the texture is not added via the Brows Shaper system layer. Next we look at the head's HUD to see what it is doing with the brows. Are we using a layer in the head for skin and trying to use a BOM tat for the brows? That won't work. If a head layer has skin it has to be BOM for a BOM tat to show. Otherwise the brows have to go on a layer in the head.

If the render is inconsistent, something is in the wrong place. It  is almost always a transparency issue causing the inconsistency.

 

[Jennifer Boyle]

On 8/20/2024 at 5:28 PM, Egon Rothschild said:

I now this thread is old but it's just the problem I'm having. I have two arm tattoo layers, let's call them ARMS & STARS. STARS doesn't show unless I detach ARMS.

When I do EDIT | OUTFIT, the topmost layer is the ARMS layer and STARS is farther down (so I assume they load lowest on the list and upward). When I try to move STARS to a position farther to the top over ARMS, nothing happens. Same when I try to move ARMS to a position lower than STARS.

What am I missing?

I've attached a screen shot of the editing window.

Thanks in advance,

Egon

 

These instructions are for Firestorm.

1. Right click on your avatar.
2. Click on "Appearance" on the menu that appears.
3. Click on "Edit Outfit" on the menu that appears.
4. A window like this will appear:  
5. Select a layer by clicking on it. It will be highlighted like the abdominal muscle layer above.
6. When you move your cursor over the selected layer, an up-arrow, a down arrow, and a wrench icon will appear. You can move the layer up or down by clciking on the up or down arrow. Down move it down toward you skin. Up moves it away from your skin.

[AmeliaJ08]

Can we talk about the Edit Outfit window please... it's such pain when you have a lot of BOM layers, we should really be able to click and drag items to move them around, those awful arrow buttons are the worst especially if you need to move something to the bottom of the list.

FWIW though the current release Firestorm is very buggy as far as it even displaying BOM layers as worn, it also seems to not show them when in Edit Apperance mode... it is completely fixed in latest Alpha though.

Edited August 22 by AmeliaJ08

[Jennifer Boyle]

9 hours ago, AmeliaJ08 said:

Can we talk about the Edit Outfit window please... it's such pain when you have a lot of BOM layers, we should really be able to click and drag items to move them around, those awful arrow buttons are the worst especially if you need to move something to the bottom of the list.

I agree.

9 hours ago, AmeliaJ08 said:

FWIW though the current release Firestorm is very buggy as far as it even displaying BOM layers as worn, it also seems to not show them when in Edit Apperance mode... it is completely fixed in latest Alpha though.

I'm using the current release of FS and not seeing that. Perhaps it depends on the environment?

[AmeliaJ08]

25 minutes ago, Jennifer Boyle said:

I agree.

I'm using the current release of FS and not seeing that. Perhaps it depends on the environment?

It was noted in JIRA, I think there has been some threads here too. It's like you aren't wearing BOM layers, they don't show up in the inventory Worn tab but do show up in Edit Outfit.

Also when you're in Edit Appearance mode of any sort BOM layers don't appear, your skin does however. As soon as you close that window the layers are visible though, really weird bug. It was fixed in Alpha 7.1.9.75772

https://jira.firestormviewer.org/browse/FIRE-34343?jql=text ~ "BOM"

That's the not appearing in Worn bug but I can't find the other one, either way it is fixed now though.

[Egon Rothschild]

On 8/21/2024 at 9:57 PM, Jennifer Boyle said:

These instructions are for Firestorm.

1. Right click on your avatar.
2. Click on "Appearance" on the menu that appears.
3. Click on "Edit Outfit" on the menu that appears.
4. A window like this will appear:  
5. Select a layer by clicking on it. It will be highlighted like the abdominal muscle layer above.
6. When you move your cursor over the selected layer, an up-arrow, a down arrow, and a wrench icon will appear. You can move the layer up or down by clciking on the up or down arrow. Down move it down toward you skin. Up moves it away from your skin.

Yes, Jennifer, I know how this is SUPPOSED to work. I'm trying to move the Arm Band 36-C up over the Arms V1 Tone 5 tattoo layer. As they are positioned now, the Arm Band does not show.  When I try to move the Arm Band with the up arrow, it doesn't move; when I try to move the Arm with the down arrow, it doesn't move. Nothing I can do will make them change positions.