diamond Marchant Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Will topics that discuss the Metaverse, Meta, or Zuckerberg always be locked and/or deleted? Are there any loopholes, such as the topic being relevant to Second Life vis a vis comparisons to the way other platforms do things? Is the real problem the ridicule of Zuckerberg or is it something else? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfie Reanimator Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Pretty much any topic unrelated to SL is out of scope for this forum, be it politics, current events, Youtube, the critically acclaimed FFXIV free trial, or other virtual worlds. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 I think Second Life will be better than any nascent "Metaverse" for awhile awhile to come. And if LL can't take a compliment, I don't know what to do! I could apologize for being so nice, I guess! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 2 hours ago, diamond Marchant said: Will topics that discuss the Metaverse, Meta, or Zuckerberg always be locked and/or deleted? Are there any loopholes, such as the topic being relevant to Second Life vis a vis comparisons to the way other platforms do things? Is the real problem the ridicule of Zuckerberg or is it something else? I think some of the um..what's the word? Moderating!..of the topics is just because they become contentious. People arguing, bickering, etc. It doesn't help if the are off-topic. But Second Life will still be here after the first few Metaverses fail. Quote me! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animats Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 I regularly write about metaverse stuff on these forums. My main theme is that there are areas where Linden Lab is being Left Behind, and needs to pay more attention to what the competition is doing. Today I wrote about how VRchat does puppeteering so it doesn't look creepy. I've mentioned that Improbable has much better region crossing technology and can do crowds. I've commented more than once that Roblox has a solution to layered clothing that Just Works. I've described, with pictures, how GTA does big worlds where you can see far into the distance. I've discussed how NFTs could be used within SL, and that, while someone could do it in the existing system, it's a bad idea. And even that 3DXchat can get the sex parts to align between avatars without the user having to fuss with dialog boxes. None of that seems to upset LL's moderators. I think it's the arguing and bickering that sets them off. 6 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 47 minutes ago, animats said: I regularly write about metaverse stuff on these forums. My main theme is that there are areas where Linden Lab is being Left Behind, and needs to pay more attention to what the competition is doing. Today I wrote about how VRchat does puppeteering so it doesn't look creepy. I've mentioned that Improbable has much better region crossing technology and can do crowds. I've commented more than once that Roblox has a solution to layered clothing that Just Works. I've described, with pictures, how GTA does big worlds where you can see far into the distance. I've discussed how NFTs could be used within SL, and that, while someone could do it in the existing system, it's a bad idea. And even that 3DXchat can get the sex parts to align between avatars without the user having to fuss with dialog boxes. None of that seems to upset LL's moderators. I think it's the arguing and bickering that sets them off. Waitaminute, all that other stuff is better - but you're still here! What's the draw for you, that you can actually do the things you can do here - but not there? (Create your own viewer, etc.) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Hexem Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 26 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said: Waitaminute, all that other stuff is better - but you're still here! What's the draw for you, that you can actually do the things you can do here - but not there? (Create your own viewer, etc.) Probably the same reason I keep coming back. Virtually every other platform out there does individual things better than Second Life, but there isn't one that can do them all at once like SL can. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animats Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 57 minutes ago, Paul Hexem said: Virtually every other platform out there does individual things better than Second Life, but there isn't one that can do them all at once like SL can. Yes. SL has all the things a metaverse is supposed to have: a big world, user-created content, commerce. But it does many of those things badly. Most of the components are dated, and underperform current technology. For a long time, over a decade, LL got to coast, because nobody was working on new stuff in their space. That's been changing. LL's license to coast is expiring. My point for the last year or so is that SL needs to get up to AAA title quality or be run over by one of the many multi-billion dollar companies working in the metaverse space. 4 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeathcliffMontague Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 In before it gets locked... This keeps popping up on the Mainland.... kinda weird. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarlanderGoods Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, HeathcliffMontague said: In before it gets locked... This keeps popping up on the Mainland.... kinda weird. Its to signal that theres the edge of the sim, X=cross, Region Crossing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeathcliffMontague Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Ehm... I know. Behind it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katherine Heartsong Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 (edited) 18 hours ago, animats said: And even that 3DXchat can get the sex parts to align between avatars without the user having to fuss with dialog boxes. To harp on this ... yes. Every pose from cuddling onwards needs each avatar to adjust XYX by 0.01 to 0.25m increment to "line up"? Is there no way to have the end of one appendage be recognized by the system to touch the Y part of that other avatar when X animation is requested? Also, WHY IS HUGGING SO STUPIDLY HARD IN SL???!!!!! Edited September 1, 2022 by Katherine Heartsong 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid Nagy Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 (edited) The fact alone that even discussing moderation is forbidden, tells a story. But I'm not in the mood of telling it. Edited September 1, 2022 by Sid Nagy 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Pancake Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 16 hours ago, HeathcliffMontague said: Ehm... I know. Behind it It's a "web 3" spammy "news" blog, probably for SEO purposes to hype some NFT BS .. that thing in SL is an advert and might be reportable. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 41 minutes ago, Sid Nagy said: The fact alone that even discussing moderation is forbidden, tells a story. But I'm not in the mood of telling it. I think the reason is good why you don't discuss the DETAILS of moderation - so people don't try to either push the limits, find the loopholes, etc. For examples: "Warnings?!? That's not so bad.." "3-day Ban? Psh! I can handle that!" etc. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 16 hours ago, HeathcliffMontague said: Ehm... I know. Behind it Is an ad? Did you try to go to the site? Nobody is going to lock the thread unless there is contentious bickering, drama, etc. This be a normal discussion amongst good, hard-working SL supporters! Go team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Katherine Heartsong said: To harp on this ... yes. Every pose from cuddling onwards needs each avatar to adjust XYX by 0.01 to 0.25m increment to "line up"? Is there no way to have the end of one appendage be recognized by the system to touch the Y part of that other avatar when X animation is requested? Also, WHY IS HUGGING SO STUPIDLY HARD IN SL???!!!!! Because the code only knows about the bounding boxes? Just guessing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfie Reanimator Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 31 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said: Because the code only knows about the bounding boxes? Just guessing. There's no full inverse-kinematic support in the animation system, that's why you can't have an animation aim a limb towards some point. It does exist to a small degree, for example an avatar's feet will adjust to uneven ground (if you aren't using an AO), but we can't upload IK animations nor write scripts to do similar things. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Wulfie Reanimator said: There's no full inverse-kinematic support in the animation system, that's why you can't have an animation aim a limb towards some point. It does exist to a small degree, for example an avatar's feet will adjust to uneven ground (if you aren't using an AO), but we can't upload IK animations nor write scripts to do similar things. Understood. I was less thinking about the "aiming" than the "touching" part. Even if you could aim perfectly, your arm would go through theirs, etc. Right? Assuming it is "animations on a poseball" not two avatars walking up to each other and bumping into one another. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeathcliffMontague Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Coffee Pancake said: It's a "web 3" spammy "news" blog, probably for SEO purposes to hype some NFT BS .. that thing in SL is an advert and might be reportable. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfie Reanimator Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said: Understood. I was less thinking about the "aiming" than the "touching" part. Even if you could aim perfectly, your arm would go through theirs, etc. Right? Assuming it is "animations on a poseball" not two avatars walking up to each other and bumping into one another. Yeah, just having IK animations wouldn't prevent avatars from phasing through each other like ghosts. Like the current implementation with feet and the ground, you'd have to explicitly define what your animation system can collide with (like bones of other avatars). Edited September 1, 2022 by Wulfie Reanimator 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Dakota Linden Posted September 1, 2022 Moderators Share Posted September 1, 2022 Greetings, All! As predicted, this has now run its course, and the thread has been locked. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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